Providence Post Game Thread

[REB1094]

I'm actually a little sympathetic to Kim and PC fans on this one. The officials let everything go in the first half - off ball grabbing, shoving, and mugging was okay. Then in the second half, they called the game more normally and called the fouls

From Kim's perspective, the "tenor" of the game means that his guys were allowed to assault UConn's guys for 20 minutes but then they got whistled nonstop for the same thing for another 20 minutes

Must be frustrating as a coach where you play the same exact playstyle between halves, but in one you get whistled 6 times and the next you get whistled 19 times

A little sympathetic...a little..

 

[Dove]

I just want to pop in to say, during the 1st half when the 'skies were getting their asses kick, I was sad for many of you who thought your next few days were going to be full of despair. But, we win!! And, I'm happy the beginning of the week will be bright.

Life without McNeeley needs to be discovered under fire.

 

[TRest]

Idk why we don’t use him in the same role as last season. It’s odd. Obviously Hurley sees something we don’t. But it’s odd

Loyalty reward for three years of waiting.

 

[Excalibur]

Don't think that is accurate. A player becomes a frontcourt player when he has both feet and the ball in the frontcourt. If he goes into the backcourt with one foot it is a backcourt violation.

You’re contradicting yourself. He never established himself in the front court because the second foot never was completely over.

The call was wrong for the same reason the 10 second call a few games ago was correct. In that case, he never got both feet and the ball into the front court. Same thing here.

 

[AllHusky]

Another awesome showing from Diarra. Played 38+ minutes, pesky and ran the offense efficiently. Probably his best game as a Husky.
19 points
8 assists
2 rebounds
3 steals

Refused to lose.

 

[Mr. French]

Nothing will top the “Newton is unplayable” in the Final Four last year.

Shabazz worst PG of Calhoun’s era?

 

[Excalibur]

The call was correct. You cannot touch the backcourt once you have been completely in the frontcourt. "A ball that is in contact with a player or with the playing court shall be in the backcourt when either the ball or the player (either player when the ball is touching more than one) is touching the backcourt� It shall be in the frontcourt when neither the ball nor the player is touching the backcourt;"

He. Never. Had. Both. Feet. In. The. Front. Court.

 

[Iluvsuebird]

I still can't believe how many people didn't think Mahaney would ever improve, or Hass couldnt lead the offense. Maybe if YOU were coaching them they wouldn't. But not trusting this staff....still...after 2 rings, is lunacy.

Aidan had his best game as a Husky. Not coincidentally he was playing off the ball a bunch. Still his defense will be a problem against better competition. And I can have that opinion and still believe we have the best coaching staff in the land!

 

[navery12]

How did it take so long for the staff to figure out Mahaney has to play off ball? They are the best & so happy with them but it was like Captain Obvious. Great shooter good straight line drives, struggles with full court pressure bringing it up or starting the offense up top.

Knew he would ball out he always had it!!!

This change happened over a month ago after Maui, right after it was obvious it needed to be made

 

[WhereistheDove?]

I'm actually a little sympathetic to Kim and PC fans on this one. The officials let everything go in the first half - off ball grabbing, shoving, and mugging was okay. Then in the second half, they called the game more normally and called the fouls

From Kim's perspective, the "tenor" of the game means that his guys were allowed to assault UConn's guys for 20 minutes but then they got whistled nonstop for the same thing for another 20 minutes

Must be frustrating as a coach where you play the same exact playstyle between halves, but in one you get whistled 6 times and the next you get whistled 19 times

A little sympathetic...a little..

We’ve seen quite a bit of this so far. Refs pretty much refuse to call freedom of movement to start the game, contact gets wildly out of hand, and then the refs have to swing wildly the other direction to get the game under control again. I get it’s a fine line to set the tone on that stuff early without making it unwatchable but it shouldn’t be too much to ask to at least come close to that line.

 

[navery12]

Did you think games were 20 minutes long?

I'm sad I missed his post. I can only imagine how bad it was considering everything he's posted after the comeback

 

[FearThePups]

I'm being dead serious, but I only tuned into the second half. I'm assuming it was better earlier?

You have your halves mixed up. Well if you only tuned into the 2nd half you must be deaf. It was rocking. It was like a church in the 1st half as we got smashed face so there was nothing to cheer about.

 

[superjohn]

Team was a mess the first half, by far our worst half on the mainland. Last 13 minutes or so were beautiful and probably the best we've played all season minus the Hass brainfarts in the last minute and the trouble inbounding the ball.

Hass is the heartbeat of this team, the game turned when he started taking over and then Reed further took over and changed the game. Providence was scoring at will the whole game and we couldn't get a defensive rebound. Reed changed that and we were off to the races.

Mahaney was huge, his layup where he contorted his body wasn't a fluke, that's the type of stuff he did at Gonzaga. I feel strongly that trying to turn him into a point guard badly messed with his game and head. He's a born scorer. Huge second half from him and his buckets are just different, they lift the whole team up.

Reed is a beast and we've yet to fully unleash him on teams. He needs to get the ball more and he has more in his package than Danny has let him go to yet. NBA player.

Solo with a quiet really good game and AK made some plays when it mattered after a bad first half.

Total team win.

I need more sleep, I had in my head all day that Mahaney played at Gonzaga. Lolz

 

[Excalibur]

We’ve seen quite a bit of this so far. Refs pretty much refuse to call freedom of movement to start the game, contact gets wildly out of hand, and then the refs have to swing wildly the other direction to get the game under control again. I get it’s a fine line to set the tone on that stuff early without making it unwatchable but it shouldn’t be too much to ask to at least come close to that line.

This has been a problem for years. It’s like they’re afraid to get players in early foul trouble, and the game gets out of hand quickly.

Call one or two early and it cleans things up the rest of the way. But they do it in reverse.

 

[Husky Alien]

The ball and both feet have to be completely over for it to be an over and back violation. It was a bad call that ignored the rules of basketball.

The ball and both feet were over and then he stepped back and heal caught the half court line.

 

[jostar1]

 

[Excalibur]

The ball and both feet were over and then he stepped back and heal caught the half court line.

They showed it on the close up. The heel never crossed completely over.

 

[uconnfan68]

Well that was stressful

Just those inbounds plays were stressful.

 

[Peacefrog]

The call was correct. You cannot touch the backcourt once you have been completely in the frontcourt. "A ball that is in contact with a player or with the playing court shall be in the backcourt when either the ball or the player (either player when the ball is touching more than one) is touching the backcourt� It shall be in the frontcourt when neither the ball nor the player is touching the backcourt;"

Watched the replay in slow motion and it doesn't look like his right foot ever fully crossed into the frontcourt. Incorrect call as far as I could tell.

 

[IndyLives]

Mahaney as advertised. Looks like he will take over the scoring hole left by McNeeley.

 

[REB1094]

We’ve seen quite a bit of this so far. Refs pretty much refuse to call freedom of movement to start the game, contact gets wildly out of hand, and then the refs have to swing wildly the other direction to get the game under control again. I get it’s a fine line to set the tone on that stuff early without making it unwatchable but it shouldn’t be too much to ask to at least come close to that line.

It was the most extreme I've seen in a long time today. Generally I think that officials should never change the tone they set. If they set the tone early that physicality is allowed, then they should stay consistent and let the players and the coaches adjust to it. I actually really dislike when officials change their tone halfway through the game

Again today it was warranted because it was really bad in the first half, but I understand if PC fans think they got hosed. I don't agree, but I understand lol

 

[Excalibur]

Watched the replay in slow motion and it doesn't look like his right foot ever fully crossed into the frontcourt. Incorrect call as far as I could tell.

I don’t know why people are even arguing this. It was clear as day on the replay.

 

[slepers]

I'm being dead serious, but I only tuned into the second half. I'm assuming it was better earlier?

What are those 3words……deaf, dumb, blind

 

[Revrat]

I don’t know why people are even arguing this. It was clear as day on the replay.

The rule is right here. All you have to do is touch the backcourt and your in the back court. there is no whole foot or half foot. Touch it and your in the back court. Thats from the NCAA rule book. "A ball that is in contact with a player or with the playing court shall be in the backcourt when either the ball or the player (either player when the ball is touching more than one) is touching the backcourt� It shall be in the frontcourt when neither the ball nor the player is touching the backcourt;"

 

[Peacefrog]

The rule is right here. All you have to do is touch the backcourt and your in the back court. there is no whole foot or half foot. Touch it and your in the back court. Thats from the NCAA rule book. "A ball that is in contact with a player or with the playing court shall be in the backcourt when either the ball or the player (either player when the ball is touching more than one) is touching the backcourt� It shall be in the frontcourt when neither the ball nor the player is touching the backcourt;"

You're not understanding what people are saying; it has nothing to do with the rule. Mahaney NEVER established himself in the frontcourt. You can't go over and back when you never came over. Watch the replay, its pretty clear.

 

[AllHusky]

Really enjoyed watching Solo Ball today and thinking "that kid is becoming a complete ballplayer, defense, rebounding, playmaking is coming along, and his driving has one more click to go, Those teardrops can be traded in for a rim rattling dunk half the time. Very exciting!!

Will own up to a "Mahaney is unplayable" comment in the Chat during the first half. Mela was just too much for him, but kid sure as heck came roaring back in the second half. Equally as much fun as watching Ball morph before your eyes. Apologies Aidan, way to answer!!

 

[Leebo]

The rule is right here. All you have to do is touch the backcourt and your in the back court. there is no whole foot or half foot. Touch it and your in the back court. Thats from the NCAA rule book. "A ball that is in contact with a player or with the playing court shall be in the backcourt when either the ball or the player (either player when the ball is touching more than one) is touching the backcourt� It shall be in the frontcourt when neither the ball nor the player is touching the backcourt;"

But you have to be fully in the front court before any of that applies and they're saying he never got fully in.

I'd need to see it again, wasn't watching at that time.

 

[superjohn]

Wow, Hurley finally admitted he was trying to fit a square peg in a round hole with Mahaney. We should see a better Mahaney now that he'll be asked to do what he does, score the ball. Really gotta get Nowell some minutes backing up Hass.

 

[Excalibur]

The rule is right here. All you have to do is touch the backcourt and you’re in the back court. there is no whole foot or half foot. Touch it and you’re in the back court. Thats from the NCAA rule book. "A ball that is in contact with a player or with the playing court shall be in the backcourt when either the ball or the player (either player when the ball is touching more than one) is touching the backcourt� It shall be in the frontcourt when neither the ball nor the player is touching the backcourt;"

The player was still touching the backcourt precisely because his foot never completely crossed the line. So I appreciate you quoting the rule that proves you wrong.

This is one of the scenarios they work with early on when they train referees.

 

[Gurleyman]

The rule is right here. All you have to do is touch the backcourt and your in the back court. there is no whole foot or half foot. Touch it and your in the back court. Thats from the NCAA rule book. "A ball that is in contact with a player or with the playing court shall be in the backcourt when either the ball or the player (either player when the ball is touching more than one) is touching the backcourt� It shall be in the frontcourt when neither the ball nor the player is touching the backcourt;"

The issue is whether he was ever fully in the frontcourt. The referee got in the way on the replay and I didn’t rewind. It looked like his back foot was on the line (which would mean he’s in the backcourt) - with his heel coming up. If the heel came up and his toe was in the frontcourt he might have actually come all the way over technically.