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Yup. And it’s so predictable.
1. Make one call that enrages the home team then make 2 ridiculous make up calls in a row.
2. Make sure a key player gets 2 quick fouls which completely changes the game
3. Coverup bad foul discrepancy by pointless calls on touch fouls that don’t have much of an effect.
#1 was glaringly obvious last night where they finally called Providence for a charge when they lowered the shoulder into Karaban, then immediately negated it with a bogus travel on us at the other end. They just couldn't let a moment of even officiating stand.
 
Putting aside Goodman's public comments about Hurley, maybe the Big East officiating is not just a UConn problem. Biased and poor officiating is often homecourt based
Less biased officiating should result in a less extreme home court W/L record.
There are two games that fall into this category: UConn/Creighton and SHU/Butler.
Next week, there is Butler/SJU, UConn/Marq...
I'd advocate for changes starting next week. ;-)
 
Hence, we need a home game :)
Unfortunately i don't think this is a home team thing, this appears to be a refs hate Hurley thing. I do not know what to do honestly but it feels like the refs have a vendetta against him at this point
 
It'll be interesting to follow @nelsonmuntz analysis in post #25. It's not just the total number of fouls called, 27. It's the timing and especially removing our best all-around player from the first half. It almost seems like many here don't realize Jackson couldn't play the first half. And then when you pick up #3 you have to try to play even more cautiously. I think they called Karaban for a foul because maybe Carter ran by and tripped over Karaban's foot. It was just brutal to watch. The 4 fouls on Jackson and Clingan - you can't out-tough your opponent with this kind of officiating.

4 fouls in 29 minutes - Karaban
4 fouls in 34 minutes - Newton
4 fouls in 21 minutes - Jackson
4 fouls in 21 minutes - Clingan
3 fouls in 33 minutes - Hawkins
3 fouls in 14 minutes - Diarra
 
My biggest worry is that this will cause us to just work harder than address the true issues. Hurley loves "brutal practices" but its clear those dont translate. We need to develop a new offensive identity and stop running the same sets. They are easy to guard and predictable. We to continue to develop an identity. It was defense, but with the recent foul trend, that has been erased. I really think Luke Murray can help the most with this but Hurley is who he is and has run the same offense since he stepped on campus.
 
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It'll be interesting to follow @nelsonmuntz analysis in post #25. It's not just the total number of fouls called, 27. It's the timing and especially removing our best all-around player from the first half. It almost seems like many here don't realize Jackson couldn't play the first half. And then when you pick up #3 you have to try to play even more cautiously. I think they called Karaban for a foul because maybe Carter ran by and tripped over Karaban's foot. It was just brutal to watch. The 4 fouls on Jackson and Clingan - you can't out-tough your opponent with this kind of officiating.

4 fouls in 29 minutes - Karaban
4 fouls in 34 minutes - Newton
4 fouls in 21 minutes - Jackson
4 fouls in 21 minutes - Clingan
3 fouls in 33 minutes - Hawkins
3 fouls in 14 minutes - Diarra
“Out tough” drives me crazy. Other teams get to be tough and “physical” and it’s just hard nosed Big East basketball but for us it’s an immediate whistle. PC got every loose ball by being tougher and there were no fouls? Going into a scrum when you have 3 fouls and a target on your back is a challenge. I don’t know how many times there was a loose ball with 9 guys ripping each other’s limbs off and the ball rolls out to a wide open PC guy for a three. I counted 4 but could be wrong.
 
Hopkins is legit...bottom line you can't have AK guarding him. No offense to Alex, I love him, but Hopkins could've scored every time he got the ball with AK guarding him. Why Hurley continued to have AK guard him was mind numbing
Well I think he would have loved to have AJ on him but Dre had 2 fouls before the ball was tipped so that wasn’t an option.
 
#1 was glaringly obvious last night where they finally called Providence for a charge when they lowered the shoulder into Karaban, then immediately negated it with a bogus travel on us at the other end. They just couldn't let a moment of even officiating stand.
This was actually a moving screen called on us. These calls in these situations are commonly moving screens.
 
Hopkins is legit...bottom line you can't have AK guarding him. No offense to Alex, I love him, but Hopkins could've scored every time he got the ball with AK guarding him. Why Hurley continued to have AK guard him was mind numbing
I said before the game Karaban can't guard Hopkins and Jackson needed to be on him. Opening tip and I realize Karaban is going to be on Hopkins all night. There is no great matchup, Hopkins is a great player but going into the game anyone who follows this stuff knows Karaban has no chance, that's just a terrible thing to do to your freshman.
 
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Until we lost, the consensus seemed to be that our depth was our strength. I kept saying how rare it was to be able to have stars have an off night, and just have others step up to make up the points. It has definitely been strange to see that not happen for two games in a row. The exception has been Clingan. Sanogo has had a rough stretch, and Clinghan has been good. Strange though to see Hawkins, Newton, and Jackson struggle (and Karaban defensively), and JC, Alleyne, and Diarra provide no help.

UConn is a good shooting team, but sometimes shots don't fall. We obviously couldn't make threes, and we were even crappy from the line. That won't happen very often, but when it does you have to come up with defensive stops and find other ways to score. The main other ways are dribble penetration (we simply don't have guys that are good at that), and feeding it inside. Sanogo hasn't been good, and we for some reason don't make a point to feed Clinghan.

I do think that Hurley needs to be quicker to sit Sanogo when he's not playing well. Then play the hot hand. But the 5 position has not been the problem. Guarding quality active 4 men is definitely a weakness. We have to figure that out.

The other side also is that Providence played great at home. They made a lot of tough shots. Hats off to them.
 
My biggest worry is that this will cause us to just work harder than address the true issues. Hurley loves "brutal practices" but its clear those dont translate. We need to develop a new offensive identity and stop running the same sets. They are easy to guard and predictable. We to continue to develop an identity. It was defense, but with the recent foul trend, that has been erased. I really think Luke Murray can help the most with this but Hurley is who he is and has run the same offense since he stepped on campus.
I have been harping on this as well. We are running the same sets we ran vs Stonehill. It is why Hawkins can't get open, opponents know what's coming.
 
We need an Edmund Saunders on D. Can Springs not play D? Even if for a few hacks here and there and some rebounding.
 
A few things have been troubling me the past couple of games. The number of fouls we give up. We have been hammered at the free throw line by both Xavier and Providence. We need to cut way back on those. I believe in both games we gave up 20+ points from the free throw line. That is just crazy.

Andre Jackson has to stop fouling so early in games and then has to sit out major minutes. We need him in games and playing good defense and rebounding. We need for him to stop taking threes and spend more time going to the hoop which has the ability to do. Just don't pass off when you're three feet from the hoop.

I don't see why Sanogo and Clingan are chasing their men 15-20 from the hoop. The minute they do that, the other team starts going to the hoop and we always end up fouling them. None of the opposing centers we have played are any real threat from 15-18 feet. Clingan for sure needs to stay in the middle. His presence in the middle is a deterrent.

During one of the out of bound plays against Providence Clingan was near the sidelines and the play went in to the Providence player under the basket and he got fouled.

Hurley needs to figure out how to play both Clingan and Sanogo. When they played together against Providence, Sanogo looked lost, like he didn't know where to play. Unfortunately, Sanogo does not have an outside game and the two of them compete for the same space inside.
 
I am not one to complain too much about the officiating. But, I just watched a replay from the 9 minute mark of the 2nd half to the under 4 time out. so many calls not made. Andre got pushed from behind when he hit the floor. Karaban got pushed going for the lose ball at half court. Andre was yanked to the floor in the scrum for the ball when it was a free for all for the ball thrown high. Obvious travel against them in the lane. Andre's 4th foul vs Hopkins was not a foul. Clingan's reach in, I saw no contact and from his reaction I think he agrees. Newton drive to the basket he was bumped for about 4 steps.
 
A few things have been troubling me the past couple of games. The number of fouls we give up. We have been hammered at the free throw line by both Xavier and Providence. We need to cut way back on those. I believe in both games we gave up 20+ points from the free throw line. That is just crazy.

Andre Jackson has to stop fouling so early in games and then has to sit out major minutes. We need him in games and playing good defense and rebounding. We need for him to stop taking threes and spend more time going to the hoop which has the ability to do. Just don't pass off when you're three feet from the hoop.

I don't see why Sanogo and Clingan are chasing their men 15-20 from the hoop. The minute they do that, the other team starts going to the hoop and we always end up fouling them. None of the opposing centers we have played are any real threat from 15-18 feet. Clingan for sure needs to stay in the middle. His presence in the middle is a deterrent.

During one of the out of bound plays against Providence Clingan was near the sidelines and the play went in to the Providence player under the basket and he got fouled.

Hurley needs to figure out how to play both Clingan and Sanogo. When they played together against Providence, Sanogo looked lost, like he didn't know where to play. Unfortunately, Sanogo does not have an outside game and the two of them compete for the same space inside.
Totally agree with your comments the Karaban on Hopkins matchup had me screaming at the screen made no sense. Also Clingan needs more minutes when Sanogo is having and off game. We did much better with Clingan in the game. The refs were horrific. Every scrum went to Providence. When they are in the bonus with 10 minutes left in the half it takes away your aggressiveness.
 
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Until we lost, the consensus seemed to be that our depth was our strength. I kept saying how rare it was to be able to have stars have an off night, and just have others step up to make up the points. It has definitely been strange to see that not happen for two games in a row. The exception has been Clingan. Sanogo has had a rough stretch, and Clinghan has been good. Strange though to see Hawkins, Newton, and Jackson struggle (and Karaban defensively), and JC, Alleyne, and Diarra provide no help.

UConn is a good shooting team, but sometimes shots don't fall. We obviously couldn't make threes, and we were even crappy from the line. That won't happen very often, but when it does you have to come up with defensive stops and find other ways to score. The main other ways are dribble penetration (we simply don't have guys that are good at that), and feeding it inside. Sanogo hasn't been good, and we for some reason don't make a point to feed Clinghan.

I do think that Hurley needs to be quicker to sit Sanogo when he's not playing well. Then play the hot hand. But the 5 position has not been the problem. Guarding quality active 4 men is definitely a weakness. We have to figure that out.

The other side also is that Providence played great at home. They made a lot of tough shots. Hats off to them.
Excellent post. Also, even though we beat Georgetown and Villanova prior to the Xavier loss, we could already some chinks in the armor. It makes no sense to stubbornly continue doing the same things when they're not working, especially when it's because smart coaches like Ed Cooley prepare for ways to stop them. Hurley needs to become a better chess player in the basketball sense. The Huskies had several days to get ready for the Friars, yet they looked unprepared, and that has to be on coaching. We need some new wrinkles for Saturday against Creighton because you absolutely know McDermott will challenge us at our weak points. Our supposed depth needs to reassert itself, and we need greater contributions from the bench, other than Clingan.
 
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My biggest worry is that this will cause us to just work harder than address the true issues. Hurley loves "brutal practices" but its clear those dont translate. We need to develop a new offensive identity and stop running the same sets. They are easy to guard and predictable. We to continue to develop an identity. It was defense, but with the recent foul trend, that has been erased. I really think Luke Murray can help the most with this but Hurley is who he is and has run the same offense since he stepped on campus.
True. But in regard to defense, in the post game last night, even Hopkins said more than once that he exposed a mismatch. Even if we said, "let Hopkins get his", we still needed to stop Locke and/or Croswell, but we didn't. There are things to work on both on offense and defense.
 
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Lack of hustle/lucky providence shots/poor defense/missing wide open shots/need more dribble penetration/be stronger with ball on the offense/learn how not to foul
And, missed layup after layup while in heavy traffic... Why not attempt to dunk the dang ball every time and get fouled in the process?
 
We need an Edmund Saunders on D. Can Springs not play D? Even if for a few hacks here and there and some rebounding.
This would have been a game to see what he could do vs Hopkins. This guy goes against AS and DC in practice all the time. How is impossible to get him some burn? Karaban is a great prospect but is too slow and weak for Big East 4s.
 
No Sweet 16 this year, then absolutely everything, staff wise, must be examined. Danny bought all the groceries. Time to make a steak, not a fake.

After all. It's "just a business".
 
Genuine question, what was your opinion on the refs tonight?

PS, I don’t blame the refs for the loss by any stretch.
This is what I will say about them. Jackson might be capable of being a star on ball defender but when a player tries to take him off the dribble he slaps every time. I question his bb IQ. For the rest I think that UConn tries to defend a lot like Jay Wright’s Nova teams. The difference? When Nova would get a couple whistles Wright would back things off and it gave the refs the impression that they were listening to the calls. Hurley doesn’t do that for whatever reason. This home cooking stuff is overrated. PC has taken more FT’s than their opponents on the road and at home, they relentlessly attack and if you are in poor defensive position you will foul. Karaban in particular is a terrible defender in this regard.

Finally, in what seems like an oxymoron the more aggressive teams tend to get more fouls called for them, that bared itself out again last night. We were incredibly aggressive against Marquette for instance, because they can’t rebound for shit and they were reaching on every single possession.

I also don’t buy the refs don’t like Hurley and they penalize his team. The fact of the matter is that PC dictated tempo and UConn was never comfortable defending that much in the half court. UConn’s defense has lapsed since BE play started for whatever reason. I think it’s as simple as attention to detail. These games are decided by small margins. You have to be sharp.
 
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This is what I will say about them. Jackson might be capable of being a star on ball defender but when a player tries to take him off the dribble he slaps every time. I question his bb IQ. For the rest I think that UConn tries to defend a lot like Jay Wright’s Nova teams. The difference? When Nova would get a couple whistles Wright would back things off and it gave the refs the impression that they were listening to the calls. Hurley doesn’t do that for whatever reason. This home cooking stuff is overrated. PC has taken more FT’s than their opponents on the road and at home, they relentlessly attack and if you are in poor defensive position you will foul. Karaban in particular is a terrible defender in this regard.

Finally, in what seems like an oxymoron the more aggressive teams tend to get more fouls called for them, that bared itself out again last night. We were incredibly aggressive against Marquette for instance, because they can’t rebound for and they were reaching on every single possession.

I also don’t buy the refs don’t like Hurley and they penalize his team. The fact of the matter is that PC dictated tempo and UConn was never comfortable defending that much in the half court. UConn’s defense has lapsed since BE play started for whatever reason. I think it’s as simple as attention to detail. These games are decided by small margins. You have to be sharp.
I agree with pretty much all you said. But, I do think the refs dislike Hurley, and that’s by his own doing. He pouts and screams all game. That causes issues.

Jackson is always using his hands to defend when he doesn’t need to. He’s a great on ball defender but gets too many ticky tack fouls. PC played more physical, they got more calls. We just don’t really know how to consistently defend without fouling.
 
I agree with pretty much all you said. But, I do think the refs dislike Hurley, and that’s by his own doing. He pouts and screams all game. That causes issues.

Jackson is always using his hands to defend when he doesn’t need to. He’s a great on ball defender but gets too many ticky tack fouls. PC played more physical, they got more calls. We just don’t really know how to consistently defend without fouling.
In regards to Hurley, he does himself no favors once the ball is in the air. He must get a handle on it. Calhoun didn’t yell and scream just to scream. He had intention and reason. Hurley just appears to be like me if I was coaching.
 
This is what I will say about them. Jackson might be capable of being a star on ball defender but when a player tries to take him off the dribble he slaps every time. I question his bb IQ. For the rest I think that UConn tries to defend a lot like Jay Wright’s Nova teams. The difference? When Nova would get a couple whistles Wright would back things off and it gave the refs the impression that they were listening to the calls. Hurley doesn’t do that for whatever reason. This home cooking stuff is overrated. PC has taken more FT’s than their opponents on the road and at home, they relentlessly attack and if you are in poor defensive position you will foul. Karaban in particular is a terrible defender in this regard.

Finally, in what seems like an oxymoron the more aggressive teams tend to get more fouls called for them, that bared itself out again last night. We were incredibly aggressive against Marquette for instance, because they can’t rebound for and they were reaching on every single possession.

I also don’t buy the refs don’t like Hurley and they penalize his team. The fact of the matter is that PC dictated tempo and UConn was never comfortable defending that much in the half court. UConn’s defense has lapsed since BE play started for whatever reason. I think it’s as simple as attention to detail. These games are decided by small margins. You have to be sharp.
I would've been fine with it if they called it like that both ways. I disagreed with all the posters who were saying the refs were terrible against Xavier but they were terrible last night. You guys deserved the win and I won't blame the refs for us sucking but they weren't calling those same bumps when they happened to UConn.
 
I would've been fine with it if they called it like that both ways. I disagreed with all the posters who were saying the refs were terrible against Xavier but they were terrible last night. You guys deserved the win and I won't blame the refs for us sucking but they weren't calling those same bumps when they happened to UConn.
Well, there is a couple ways to look at it. Is it UConn is not fouling (they are). And are opponents fouling or not? Check this out UConn is the worst major conference team in FTA/FGA ratio. They are 343 in the country. PC is 34th. Xavier is top 50 I believe and gulp, Creighton is #1. This is an indicator of a team ability to draw fouls. UConn is not good in that area. I don’t know the solution to this btw.
 
Well, there is a couple ways to look at it. Is it UConn is not fouling (they are). And are opponents fouling or not? Check this out UConn is the worst major conference team in FTA/FGA ratio. They are 343 in the country. PC is 34th. Xavier is top 50 I believe and gulp, Creighton is #1. This is an indicator of a team ability to draw fouls. UConn is not good in that area. I don’t know the solution to this btw.
That is a pretty pathetic statistic for a team of our caliber. Jesus.
 
Well, there is a couple ways to look at it. Is it UConn is not fouling (they are). And are opponents fouling or not? Check this out UConn is the worst major conference team in FTA/FGA ratio. They are 343 in the country. PC is 34th. Xavier is top 50 I believe and gulp, Creighton is #1. This is an indicator of a team ability to draw fouls. UConn is not good in that area. I don’t know the solution to this btw.
I've seen all the stats, I also saw you guys fouling and it not being called...

 
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