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[Deleted at users request]

Its not that we don't want the best players.

I just think that maybe Ollie is a better evaluator than you with your youtube highlight film.

Maybe you have a better BB mind but I'm still going to go with Ollie.

I mean if we were always to go with "Coach is right" saying then what is the point of these message boards discussing what the program should be doing who should start,who should play more, etc etc.

A highlight film is a collection of the players best plays. You can still tell a lot from those especially when their best plays aren't that good. He shows off little athleticism and he doesn't seem very crafty with his dribble or his moves. He plays bad HS competition and now when he is playing other stars he is struggling. So sorry if I came to the conclusion that he won't be a special player or that good of a player here. If your a top 50 recruit and people think your going to be a 3-4 year player who would just be a nice role player or distributer then I'm sorry that's considered a bust or not living up to expectations. We don't know what will happen with this kid but we are allowed to make a fan observation. Doesn't mean it will be right either.

 

[sdhusky]

I mean if we were always to go with "Coach is right" saying then what is the point of these message boards discussing what the program should be doing who should start,who should play more, etc etc.

I think you are confused. I'm not going with Coach is right.

I going with You are an Idiot if you think you can break down a player from a youtube highlight video.

 

[sdhusky]

I'm used to arguing with friends who are Duke, UNC, and Texas fans.

I think they might be missing you. Feel free to spend more time with them.

 

[Deleted at users request]

I think they might be missing you. Feel free to spend more time with them.

I'm away from school so we're no longer around each other. Thanks for the suggestion though. Can't handle any outside opinions? Even when given CLEAR reasoning behind them and no insults to you? Like I don't understand why a lot of the posters here can't just have discussions rather than dismissing someone and calling them a moron just because it's not a uconn popular opinion. Also yes I'm a uconn fan. I was born into a uconn family and grew up watching every game. Still try not to miss a game even when in school and this championship parade was the first one I missed because I was at school. I'm no less of a fan than you or anyone in here. If your older your history of the program probably extends further back but that's it.

 

[Inyatkin]

The problem here is pretending we know anything about anything based on mix tapes and AAU box scores.
It's not as simple as saying we trust the coaching staff, it's saying it's these people's jobs to know about these players. And they have a lot more to go on. Of course they get it wrong sometimes. But pretending to know anything definitive this far out, from this vantage point, is crazy.

 

[Huskyforlife]

I'm sorry I thought this thread was about prince Ali doing prince Ali things? Why are we discussing turtle?

 

[Deleted at users request]

The problem here is pretending we know anything about anything based on mix tapes and AAU box scores.
It's not as simple as saying we trust the coaching staff, it's saying it's these people's jobs to know about these players. And they have a lot more to go on. Of course they get it wrong sometimes. But pretending to know anything definitive this far out, from this vantage point, is crazy.

I mean I want to have a career in this sport so I study the game of basketball as a whole a lot. Not just UConn hoops. Just because it's someone's job doesn't mean they would be good at it either (not saying Ollie is not because he has been amazing thus far and I mean AMAZING) just like all these screw up nba franchises. Like I said before. We are fans, this is a message boards, at the end of the day are opinions mean nothing to what will actually happen, so why not express them?

 

[Deleted at users request]

I'm sorry I thought this thread was about prince Ali doing prince Ali things? Why are we discussing turtle?

That's my fault. Made a comment about turtle after the original post about him and the thread took a left turn.

 

[aceboon]

I mean I want to have a career in this sport so I study the game of basketball as a whole a lot. Not just UConn hoops. Just because it's someone's job doesn't mean they would be good at it either (not saying Ollie is not because he has been amazing thus far and I mean AMAZING) just like all these screw up nba franchises. Like I said before. We are fans, this is a message boards, at the end of the day are opinions mean nothing to what will actually happen, so why not express them?

No offense but guys who have careers in basketball don't study players by looking at edited highlight tapes or boxscores. I know you said that's where you eventually want to be but step #1 should be to stop trying to make educated evaluations based on these youtube vids.

 

[Inyatkin]

I shot hoops in my brother's driveway yesterday for a good hour. My mixtape will show a killer outside shot.

 

[7774]

Why can't we be recruiting stars at the guard position when we are the hottest school for guards to go to right now or is going to be very soon? I want to be NBA U again like we were back in the mid-late 2000s. So sorry if I have higher expectations for a recruit than to be a 4 year player and help us win a title on a smaller scale and would prefer the recruit that could be a special player for the program who could help us when a title and go on to be a great ambassador for the program in the NBA to keep our great brand going.

I've said this here before that I won't be satisfied by just winning NCs every so often. I'm not just a college basketball or nba fan. I'm a basketball fan and I want uconn to dominate the whole aspect of this sport. So I would prefer the stars that Ollie can win with AND send them off to the NBA to become stars. This is where my opinion and logic stems from. Not just trusting Ollie to win NCs because that won't be a problem while he's here to me. Our program has the potential to be more than that.

LOL. Hopefully you are a kid. For an adult to have such insanely unrealistic expectations and this big a sense of entitlement would be sad.

 

[Inyatkin]

I've said this here before that I won't be satisfied by just winning NCs every so often.

Can't believe I missed this line before. If there's ever been a good reason to ignore someone. Jesus.

 

[sdhusky]

Like I don't understand why a lot of the posters here can't just have discussions rather than dismissing someone and calling them a moron just because it's not a uconn popular opinion.

Actually, I was calling you a moron because you were writing moronic things not because they were unpopular.

Hope that clears things up.

 

[Deleted at users request]

LOL. Hopefully you are a kid. For an adult to have such insanely unrealistic expectations and this big a sense of entitlement would be sad.

It's not unrealistic. Like Ollie said we don't chase championships. Championships chase us. We just won a championship after a being banned for a year and having a team with no mcdonalds all Americans or lottery picks (maybe potential lottery picks later but not this year). How is it unrealistic to think that if we bring in kids with more potential who are Mcdonalds All Americans that we can win championships and produce constant lottery picks so we can become a juggernaut program. I fully believe Ollie can do this. He knows how to develop players like Calhoun from the years spent with him and has been great in game from all the nba coaches he has played for under. He has an amazing personality, cosigns from the biggest stars in the nba, has now produced TWO amazing PGs that won championships and turned into 1st rounders despite their physical limitations, and is a great role model. What kid wouldn't want to play for him? You don't think we can become this juggernaut if we got kids without physical limitations that he would be able to coach up to be NBA All Stars? UNC used to do this as a program in the 90s-2000s winning championships and producing the lottery picks and nba greats. So sorry if I have high expectations for our program to be great and have a belief that Ollie could do this.

I don't think you guys realize just how special of a coach Ollie can be and how big our program can become over the next decade. It didn't feel good to constantly have multiple kids going in the lottery and watching them play well in the nba? Like I never heard of someone being an idiot for having high expectations for their program.

 

[James]

It's not unrealistic. Like Ollie said we don't chase championships. Championships chase us. We just won a championship after a being banned for a year and having a team with no mcdonalds all Americans or lottery picks (maybe potential lottery picks later but not this year). How is it unrealistic to think that if we bring in kids with more potential who are Mcdonalds All Americans that we can win championships and produce constant lottery picks so we can become a juggernaut program. I fully believe Ollie can do this. He knows how to develop players like Calhoun from the years spent with him and has been great in game from all the nba coaches he has played for under. He has an amazing personality, cosigns from the biggest stars in the nba, has now produced TWO amazing PGs that won championships and turned into 1st rounders despite their physical limitations, and is a great role model. What kid wouldn't want to play for him? You don't think we can become this juggernaut if we got kids without physical limitations that he would be able to coach up to be NBA All Stars? UNC used to do this as a program in the 90s-2000s winning championships and producing the lottery picks and nba greats. So sorry if I have high expectations for our program to be great and have a belief that Ollie could do this.

I don't think you guys realize just how special of a coach Ollie can be and how big our program can become over the next decade. It didn't feel good to constantly have multiple kids going in the lottery and watching them play well in the nba? Like I never heard of someone being an idiot for having high expectations for their program.

I think you took too much adderall this morning. Just slamming away at your touchscreen/keyboard , producing inane post after post...almost outdoing yourself with the troll/moronic vibe. Who are you even arguing with? The people that said its unfair to slam a teenager over such a small sample?

 

[Gurleyman]

UNC used to do this as a program in the 90s-2000s winning championships and producing the lottery picks and nba greats.

We are better than UNC in that same time frame (and who was the NBA great on any of their three title teams? Ty Lawson?).

If you are holding up modern UNC as a bar for what we can achieve, we've already high-jumped over it.

 

[Deleted at users request]

We are better than UNC in that same time frame (and who was the NBA great on any of their three title teams? Ty Lawson?).

If you are holding up modern UNC as a bar for what we can achieve, we've already high-jumped over it.

I'm not just talking about their modern era. I'm talking about guys like Sheed, Jamison, Vince Carter, Stackhouse, etc. etc. All All Stars at one point in time. Roy Williams isn't as good of a coach development wise but I know Ollie is 10x as good as Roy in that department. So Lord knows what he could do with the talent. Not to mention before the modern era they had Jordan, Worthy, and McAdoo.

I know we are better than UNC in the modern era but you can't erase history before 1990.

 

[7774]

It's not unrealistic. Like Ollie said we don't chase championships. Championships chase us. We just won a championship after a being banned for a year and having a team with no mcdonalds all Americans or lottery picks (maybe potential lottery picks later but not this year). How is it unrealistic to think that if we bring in kids with more potential who are Mcdonalds All Americans that we can win championships and produce constant lottery picks so we can become a juggernaut program. I fully believe Ollie can do this. He knows how to develop players like Calhoun from the years spent with him and has been great in game from all the nba coaches he has played for under. He has an amazing personality, cosigns from the biggest stars in the nba, has now produced TWO amazing PGs that won championships and turned into 1st rounders despite their physical limitations, and is a great role model. What kid wouldn't want to play for him? You don't think we can become this juggernaut if we got kids without physical limitations that he would be able to coach up to be NBA All Stars? UNC used to do this as a program in the 90s-2000s winning championships and producing the lottery picks and nba greats. So sorry if I have high expectations for our program to be great and have a belief that Ollie could do this.

I don't think you guys realize just how special of a coach Ollie can be and how big our program can become over the next decade. It didn't feel good to constantly have multiple kids going in the lottery and watching them play well in the nba? Like I never heard of someone being an idiot for having high expectations for their program.

Like I said, hopefully you are a kid....

 

[Deleted at users request]

Maybe I'd back down from my opinion more if you all actually explained things with examples facts and actual information instead of criticism. Some of you were the same people who weren't sure if Ollie would work out despite all the facts that he was the perfect guy for the job.

 

[sdhusky]

Maybe I'd back down from my opinion more if you all actually explained things with examples facts and actual information instead of criticism. Some of you were the same people who weren't sure if Ollie would work out despite all the facts that he was the perfect guy for the job.

Oh, at first you never doubted Ollie was the right guy but only started to doubt his judgement after he won a NC?

Interesting.

 

[Gringo]

Maybe I'd back down from my opinion more if you all actually explained things with examples facts and actual information instead of criticism. Some of you were the same people who weren't sure if Ollie would work out despite all the facts that he was the perfect guy for the job.

Warrior I liked your post regarding Newman making his own brand, but you are really going overboard here about Turtle.

The problem I, and most other posters here, have is you are hating on a kid who is 18 months away from even playing his first game at UConn. To consider him a bust when he hasn't even stepped foot on campus is crazy. None of us know the circumstances of why he is playing poorly, maybe he's injured, maybe he's out of position, but to consider a kid a bust before he steps on campus just because he had a couple bad games is really going overboard.

 

[Deleted at users request]

Oh, at first you never doubted Ollie was the right guy but only started to doubt his judgement after he won a NC?

Interesting.

Just because you trust a coach doesn't mean you agree with everything he does. You see he is still recruiting other top prospects hard which I'm extremely happy about. I just hope we have room to take the ones who want to come is all who are more talented.

 

[CallMeBruce]

True, but that's usually determined after the athlete's first or second year on campus. It's unusual to deem a 2015 recruit a bust when they are a year away from actually suiting up for a college team.

Sure, but that doesn't mean that people can't offer their opinions on a guy based on what they're seeing. Saying that he "looks like a dud" (the exact quote) means that, based on what the poster was seeing, Turtle doesn't look like a player who will contribute at this level. That's an opinion. He's not declaring him a bust.

And the idea that Ollie's recruiting record is so sterling that he couldn't have possibly brought in a lousy player is insane. Ollie has a very short record as a recruiter and coach. I'd expect him to make recruiting mistakes from time to time.

 

[Deleted at users request]

Warrior I liked your post regarding Newman making his own brand, but you are really going overboard here about Turtle.

The problem I, and most other posters here, have is you are hating on a kid who is 18 months away from even playing his first game at UConn. To consider him a bust when he hasn't even stepped foot on campus is crazy. None of us know the circumstances of why he is playing poorly, maybe he's injured, maybe he's out of position, but to consider a kid a bust before he steps on campus just because he had a couple bad games is really going overboard.

I'm sorry I used the word bust. That was bad wording. My main point about this recruit is that he is not at the level of our other top prospects who look likely to want to come here. His highlight film doesn't contain many highlight plays and doesn't look like a player with big potential to be a star. When we have other guys who do have that potential that is my problem. ONCE AGAIN THE PROBLEM IS WE HAVE MUCH BETTER OPTIONS. I hope a Turtle kills it in July. But so far he has not been very impressive.

 

[Deleted at users request]

Like I said before if he wasn't a uconn commit you guys would probably be saying the same thing if not worse.

 

[sdhusky]

And the idea that Ollie's recruiting record is so sterling that he couldn't have possibly brought in a lousy player is insane. Ollie has a very short record as a recruiter and coach. I'd expect him to make recruiting mistakes from time to time.

But my sense is that HW611 is a bit of a dud as a talent evaluator so his opinion is next to worthless.

This is based on me reading parts of about 6 or 7 of his posts.

 

[7774]

ONCE AGAIN THE PROBLEM IS WE HAVE MUCH BETTER OPTIONS.

Except the actual reality is that you have just assumed they are much better options based upon AAU stats and highlight videos. Which, to be kind, is naive.

 

[Rocktheworld]

Can we talk about Warde taking forever to re-negotiate with KO or something? Anything else?

 

[selles]

Can we talk about Warde taking forever to re-negotiate with KO or something? Anything else?

If I had a bazooka, I would fire it at this thread.

 

[pnete]

Give me a break.
Turtle only has four years to become a player for UConn. If this kid stays four years and learns. He will be a major contributor.