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Prince Ali doing Prince Ali things again in EYBL

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Gurleyman said:
In order: spring signing, best available spring signing to fill a need (backup PG/shooter), and a reach on a big body when we needed to recruit 10 guys in one class.
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Exactly!!! Turtle is an early signing and much more highly recruited than any of those kids. Who would you say we whiffed on that was as highly recruited as Turtle?
 
Gurleyman said:
In order: spring signing, best available spring signing to fill a need (backup PG/shooter), and a reach on a big body when we needed to recruit 10 guys in one class.

Not every recruiting scenario is the same. And if we refused to reach for guys in the spring once in a while, we wouldn't have Brimah, and we wouldn't have banner #4
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Just because we won a championship with Brimah doesn't mean we couldn't have done it without him and with someone like Noah Vonleh or Dakari Johnson. Ollie being a great coach had a lot more to do with the championship than the talent he recruited.

With Amida he made the best of a situation where recruiting was rough with everything that was going and he got a raw center with potential to be really really good in a few years. Happy as he'll to have Amida though.

But you can do things like that with a big man. You can't find 7's everywhere. Guards are a dime a dozen.

Once the new rankings come out Turtle will not be that highly recruited. All our other recruits will be shooting up rankings though.
 
tcf15 said:
From Scout:

Prince Ali, SG, Southern Stampede – Ali was an absolute beast all game long. He showed his ability to get into the lane, and then also was making shots from deep. Ali has good athleticism, a dynamic first step, and is a threat to score on every single possession he can give it to you every single way, and Ali managed to score early and often against Houston Hoops. The future Connecticut Huskie is a major offensive threat in every way, and his big showing proved that.
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Thanks for the info.
 
3uconn said:
@ebosshoops: UConn commit Prince Ali reminds me of a right handed Keith Langford. Powerful, aggressive to rim driver. #eybl
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Langford didn't have much ability to put it on the floor nor shoot from the perimeter. From what I've read this makes zero sense.
 
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HuskyWarrior611 said:
Just because we won a championship with Brimah doesn't mean we couldn't have done it without him and with someone like Noah Vonleh or Dakari Johnson. Ollie being a great coach had a lot more to do with the championship than the talent he recruited. With Amida he made the best of a situation where recruiting was rough with everything that was going and he got a raw center with potential to be really really good in a few years. Happy as he'll to have Amida though. But you can do things like that with a big man. You can't find 7's everywhere. Guards are a dime a dozen. Once the new rankings come out Turtle will not be that highly recruited. All our other recruits will be shooting up rankings though.
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You missed the point. There's a difference between making someone a primary target early in the recruiting process and trying to find the best guy available in the spring to fill a void. We pretty much had a choice between Brimah and an empty chair when we brought him in. Or at least not another big. The 2012-13 season showed us we had some potential for this year, but we had a huge weakness (rebounding/rim protection) and Brimah helped fill it (more so with rim protection). With Bazz-Giff-TO gone and DD-Boat considering it, we would have been remiss if we didn't try to find some sort of reinforcement with a scholarship open. Vonleh and Johnson were long since off the table.

Similarly, when we hit the spring of 2009, we were losing Price and Austrie, we had cut Wiggins loose the year before, and we had nobody projected to back up Kemba and Dyson other than Beverly, who hadn't panned out well at that point. We had three senior starters and a chance to be good on paper, but we were severely lacking backcourt depth. We had to find the best of what was out there and Smith was pretty much near the top of the slim pickings list. That one didn't work - but if we had decided that we learned our lesson and wouldn't reach for a recruit in the spring, we would have sat idly by while Brimah went somewhere else and we almost certainly wouldn't have won this year.
 
Yonick said:
Hate to say this, but Turtle was scoreless in only 9 minutes of action as his team lost, again, big.
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From Rivals:

UConn-bound Prince Ali has proven himself over and over as one of the premier drivers in the class of 2015. He is athletic, tough and relentless to the rim and will move up nicely from his current ranking of No. 68.
 
3uconn said:
@ebosshoops: Good grief Ali is relentless to the rim. Not sure there is another 2G in 2015 who attacks the rim with as much ferocity.
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Do you see his attack as controlled (drawing fouls) or reckless (drawing charges)?
 
Gurleyman said:
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You missed the point. There's a difference between making someone a primary target early in the recruiting process and trying to find the best guy available in the spring to fill a void. We pretty much had a choice between Brimah and an empty chair when we brought him in. Or at least not another big. The 2012-13 season showed us we had some potential for this year, but we had a huge weakness (rebounding/rim protection) and Brimah helped fill it (more so with rim protection). With Bazz-Giff-TO gone and DD-Boat considering it, we would have been remiss if we didn't try to find some sort of reinforcement with a scholarship open. Vonleh and Johnson were long since off the table.

Similarly, when we hit the spring of 2009, we were losing Price and Austrie, we had cut Wiggins loose the year before, and we had nobody projected to back up Kemba and Dyson other than Beverly, who hadn't panned out well at that point. We had three senior starters and a chance to be good on paper, but we were severely lacking backcourt depth. We had to find the best of what was out there and Smith was pretty much near the top of the slim pickings list. That one didn't work - but if we had decided that we learned our lesson and wouldn't reach for a recruit in the spring, we would have sat idly by while Brimah went somewhere else and we almost certainly wouldn't have won this year.
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My point before wasn't that they were bad decisions and we shouldn't do it again. It was that yes, we do give scholarships to guys who aren't that good sometimes. Ollie made the best of a situation with Brimah. I know those other guys were off the table I were just using them as hypothetical examples.

This case with a Turtle is not similar to those mentioned before. We have amazing options at the guard position that we look good for and to think we might not take 1 (imagine if JA and Newan wanted to come) because we already have Turtle, a guard whose struggling mightily during a time it should be the easiest to show out, doesn't sit well with me. Like I said even before the injury I wasn't too thrilled about how turtle looked on film. He's a very average athlete with good size and okay handle who could shoot on film (don't know about now) and just doesn't seem like the special talent ali and our other recruits seem to be.
 
Inyatkin said:
Is this the earliest a player or player-to-be has been declared a bust? Honestly hard to believe that people write things like this.
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Sorry I like to keep it real. I'm not going to say a player is going to be good just because he's a uconn commit. I call a spade a spade. If he were a Duke commit you would all be saying the same thing if not a lot worse.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
Sorry I like to keep it real. I'm not going to say a player is going to be good just because he's a uconn commit. I call a spade a spade. If he were a Duke commit you would all be saying the same thing if not a lot worse.
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People like you knocked Terence Samuel before last year. People knocked Jeremy Lamb on here as well.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
Sorry I like to keep it real. I'm not going to say a player is going to be good just because he's a uconn commit. I call a spade a spade. If he were a Duke commit you would all be saying the same thing if not a lot worse.
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What in the world are you keeping real ? Your evaluation of a prospect based entirely on a boxscore of a glorified pick up run? Why don't you just calm down and realize you have nothing substantial to contribute here.
Look killing in eybl vs the best comp means a lot , but we may not be recruiting Jackson as a "star" player, you can't have 12 guys who expect 30 mpg signed
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
Sorry I like to keep it real. I'm not going to say a player is going to be good just because he's a uconn commit. I call a spade a spade. If he were a Duke commit you would all be saying the same thing if not a lot worse.
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Labeling someone a bust 15 months before his first UCONN practice isn't keeping it "real".
 
James said:
What in the world are you keeping real ? Your evaluation of a prospect based entirely on a boxscore of a glorified pick up run? Why don't you just calm down and realize you have nothing substantial to contribute here.
Look killing in eybl vs the best comp means a lot , but we may not be recruiting Jackson as a "star" player, you can't have 12 guys who expect 30 mpg signed
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I remember last year when this article made people say the same things about Samuel: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high-school/isaiah-swipes-vike-big-lincoln-win-article-1.1232761

1 point in a big high school game.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
Sorry I like to keep it real. I'm not going to say a player is going to be good just because he's a uconn commit. I call a spade a spade. If he were a Duke commit you would all be saying the same thing if not a lot worse.
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Kevin Ollie just won a national championship in his second year. You are going to need to have some faith and trust that he knows what he is doing in terms of who he offers scholarships to. Maybe the players you like may be more dynamic or simply have flashier internet videos or maybe turtle is not 100 percent coming off injury OR Ollie simply knows what type of players are good for his team first system. You kinda make the board look bad when you try and bash a kid who KO offered, and got a commitment from. Sometimes I really feel bad for kids and their families if they read the fan forums.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
Sorry I like to keep it real. I'm not going to say a player is going to be good just because he's a uconn commit. I call a spade a spade. If he were a Duke commit you would all be saying the same thing if not a lot worse.
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This is the worst post I have read in months. You need to get a grip and stop trying to "keep it real" since you obviously do not know what that means.
 
Turtle's injury was last summer. He had a great HS junior year. Even though his team may have played in a weak league, they got to the states'
semis. Turtle scored over 30 in that game.
In the early EYBL games, this spring, he was playing 30+ minutes per game. In Minneapolis, this past weekend he played only 9 minutes in game 3. And didn't play in game 4.
Either he reinjured himself, or, playing on a 1-16 team, he may have had some "differences" with the AAU coach. Irregardless, 1-16 record is the worst on the EYBL circuit.
Hopefully, at the July summer camps he'll be healthy & happy, and w/0 that AAU coach around, Turtle can show what he can do.
 
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We shouldn't really be worried about Turtle.. His job will be to get Prince Ali the ball... Which shouldn't be a hard task..
 
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