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The only thing that's clear to me about conference realignment is that nobody knows .

Going back to last year, the amount of rumors and innuendos floated out that turned out to be 100% completely wrong is astounding. Everyone from the World Wide Leader to small time podunk radio stations were completely wrong. Chip Brown has proven to be nothing more than DeLoss' mouthpiece.
 
You guys can't get over your hate of BC. Forget I mentioned them. Instead insert (eastern BE/ACC school and substitute as you please). A merger with ACC is in your best interest. I'm saying this as a Connecticut resident and fan of your school who regularly purchases the XL Center hoops package . I didn't come here to discuss history, quite the opposite.

Honestly tell me, who is excited about the 12/20 option?
 
PennStateRod said:
You guys can't get over your hate of BC. Forget I mentioned them. Instead insert (eastern BE/ACC school and substitute as you please). A merger with ACC is in your best interest. I'm saying this as a Connecticut resident and fan of your school who regularly purchases the XL Center hoops package . I didn't come here to discuss history, quite the opposite.

Honestly tell me, who is excited about the 12/20 option?
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There are pluses and minuses. From a football only perspective, the ACC--Big East merger is better. But many of us are struggling whether a good football option with better basketball is a better overall result. And, Duke and UNC notwithstanding, there is a lot to be said for the ability to drive to road games (from my home in Fairfield, Providence, Nova, St Johns, Seton Hall and Rutgers are all reachable for easy day trips) and for going to work and having coworkers who are alumni of the isntitutions you are playing. Not to mention playing the Big East Tournament in MSG every year.

As i said earlier, I don't have an issue with an ACC--Big East merger, but I don't have an issue with those who would prefer the 12-20 by adding Big XII schools.
 
I'm not excited by any of it. However, I agree that a 12/20 has all the grace of a one legged dancer,
 
I personally don't have an issue with a BE/ACC merger and, at least for some BE members (I believe we are one) this could be more beneficial than any other option. I don't like the idea of 12/20 at all. For basketball it would be a joke as the only logical scheduling proposal would be four five member pods, a home and home each year with the four other membes of a school's pod and on a rotating basis, two of the other three pods, one game each, will fill out an 18 game conference schedule. Having five conference members who you will not face in a given year is not a conference.

I understand the commissioner's desire to look into some solution that will keep all current sixteen members together but I am opposed to the fact that every potential solution seems to include the catholic membership. Even if it ends up being nothing that was investigated and then dismissed as undesirable, there has to be some potential solutions that include a split. I see no way that the only possible solutions all include continuing this hybrid.
 
PennStateRod said:
Honestly tell me, who is excited about the 12/20 option?
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From a football perspective, it's kind of a wash for me, it's a merger of two very average leagues to make another average league, or the addition of average BCS programs to make an average BCS league more average.

From a basketball perspective, it would depend on the structure of the conference hierarchy. I would absolutely despise being stuck with Swofford and his NC cronies running the basketball decisions, and having to play every dam conference tournament at the hole Greensboro Coliseum. If they wanted to switch off every year MSG and somewhere down south, that's acceptable, but if the basketball strings are being pulled in North Carolina, that will lead to terrible things for the BE basketball teams. I wouldn't be shocked if Dook finds a way to weasel out of having to play at Gampel and the Carrier Dome. God forbid they play an OOC road game at a true road site that isn't the Big 10-ACC challenge.
 
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brasssbonanzaa said:
From a football perspective, it's kind of a wash for me, it's a merger of two very average leagues to make another average league, or the addition of average BCS programs to make an average BCS league more average.

From a basketball perspective, it would depend on the structure of the conference hierarchy. I would absolutely despise being stuck with Swofford and his NC cronies running the basketball decisions, and having to play every dam conference tournament at the hole Greensboro Coliseum. If they wanted to switch off every year MSG and somewhere down south, that's acceptable, but if the basketball strings are being pulled in North Carolina, that will lead to terrible things for the BE basketball teams. I wouldn't be shocked if Dook finds a way to weasel out of having to play at Gampel and the Carrier Dome. God forbid they play an OOC road game at a true road site that isn't the Big 10-ACC challenge.
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In this scenario, marianatto would stay with the basketball schools and lead that league. Swofford woudl stay with the New ACC/BE. Could the cjampionship game move to a more centralized locale (i.e., DC).
 
Bleh. If it's a BE/ACC "merger" with the merged league essentially being run by the ACC, that's not very desirable.
 
PennStateRod said:
You guys can't get over your hate of BC. Forget I mentioned them. Instead insert (eastern BE/ACC school and substitute as you please). A merger with ACC is in your best interest. I'm saying this as a Connecticut resident and fan of your school who regularly purchases the XL Center hoops package . I didn't come here to discuss history, quite the opposite.

Honestly tell me, who is excited about the 12/20 option?
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I like it better than the ACC.
 
By the way, back to ND/Texas, more proof that the Big 10+2 would likely not want to go beyond four, according to the same report, OU called Delaney about possibly getting in on that, and he said no. If they don't want OU, they certainly aren't terribly enthusiastic about BC and Maryland, or anyone else.
 
gars44 said:
The whole premise is absurd, because ND will not get involved in any of this. Neither will Texas.
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I don't agree with this. I think UT and ND have had substantive discussions with the B1G. I would be shocked if MD and BCU are on the radar, but who knows?
 
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PennStateRod said:
I may regret saying this, but those of you saying No to a ACC/BE merger have a serious lack of self awareness. Uconn, who I sincerely hope develops into fixture in the top 25, is just a toddler in conference re-alignment. Demanding more than the proposed merger is like a toddler demanding the adult table at Thanksgiving dinner. Just be grateful you get a seat at the card table and don't get stuck back in the high chair.

Merger with ACC is much better than the 12/20 scenario with a bunch of leftover Midwestern teams.
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+1
 
PennStateRod said:
You guys can't get over your hate of BC. Forget I mentioned them. Instead insert (eastern BE/ACC school and substitute as you please). A merger with ACC is in your best interest. I'm saying this as a Connecticut resident and fan of your school who regularly purchases the XL Center hoops package . I didn't come here to discuss history, quite the opposite.

Honestly tell me, who is excited about the 12/20 option?
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I have to say I don't much care for the 12/20 scenario, though I seem to be alone in thinking that a basketball "conference" is already pretty meaningless. You can have 300 members for all that conference play matters. I actually think the Big 14 proposal makes far and away the most sense for everybody. Very solid football, and for those who put basketball first, playing in a league with Kansas, Missouri, K-State and even Iowa State has had its moments, would be better than any league out there. Probably comparable to the current Big East. The 12/20 model works fine, but I really don't think it is a long term solution. the biggest problem with the hybrid conference is that the schools in each camp have very different visions for their athletic programs now. this doesn't solve that in any way.
 
PennStateRod said:
OU's academics are an issue, hell B10 take Vandy over OU.
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I'll never get this board. Tout Baylor for academics, knock Oklahoma for academics. OU is not a bad school at all. They'd fit in with the Big10 academically. Remember, the Big10 took Nebraska. It's likelier that the Big10 did not want to admit a rogue program to add to its BigTwo..
 
PennStateRod said:
Told you so, now you are praying I am right.
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You didn't say anything of the sort.
You said to us that we should prefer the ACC to the BE. Why? I much prefer the 12 teams in the BE.
 
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Shouldn’t the Big Ten be making a move to get into the NE/NYC market before the ACC locks it down (after the Texas flirtation ends)? It seems to me our neighborhood just got “hot” and opportunities to buy more limited.
 
If syr, pitt, uconn, and another join acc, Consider it a merger, takeover, whatever you want. I hope Uconn finds it's way to that conference, the alternatives suck.
 
Big Ten priority is Texas and notre dame, it will worry about moving east after those two locked down.
 
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If UConn and Rutgers join the ACC, Mizzou fans might be able to rejoice in the fact that the B1G is left with them as a one of the strongest options.

USF, Louisville, Cincinnati will probably form a conference with whatever is left of the Big 12. West Virginia will probably go to the SEC. And the SEC might also take in Louisville since Louisville is now one of the strongest options in the east for them.
 
As for Syracuse and Pittsburgh, the B1G was too greedy to take all four schools in the Northeast. They would probably have taken Syracuse, Rutgers and UConn. That's probably why the Pitt president initiated this action.
 
The B1G wants Texas and ND. While it may happen, I absolutely cannot fathom the B1G, and the presidents of their big shot schools letting the conference sit idly by while the two kingpins, one of whom sits squarely in B1G territory, go to a lesser conference. All of this realignment makes little sense, but that REALLY makes no sense, even with the LHN and ND's NBC deal.
 
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