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Dizzy21 said:
That article is also incorrect. They spoke with the guy who designed the bridges, Arnold Vollmer and he said the story is BS. In addition, you can still get to Jones Beach, the place the story is suppose to be about, by Bus and Train, as you always could. Pretty much everyone involved in spreading that information a few months back has retracted their story.
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Caro who wrote it years ago was criticized for that accusation at that time. I believe they both measured the bridges and bus height and determined that while slightly lower.....a bus could not pass under them on any parkways....and it was not supposed to.

If I recall there was a very good article in the Washington Post last month after the Transportation Secretary quoted from Caro's book. The book was excellent. But Caro's source would not let him use that material until the source died......???
 
If you want less traffic on the road, you need to improve public transportation so that people get out of their cars.
 
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Samoo said:
Don't believe he said that the division was purposeful with regard to race; more like it was an unintended consequence. Intended consequences would be Robert Moses' bridges on the Long Island Expressway...
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If I recall Mrs Auerbach of G Fox wanted exits of both I84 & I91 to empty out next to Hartford retail giant. Thus the original placement of the junction of the two highways and exits. They have been altered since but she had a lot of clout.
 
2022 NC said:
If you want less traffic on the road, you need to improve public transportation so that people get out of their cars.
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The Fairfield Train Station was built in the 1890s. At the time it was built, it took LESS time to take a train from Fairfield to Grand Central then it takes. today. Other than Northeastern U.S. infrastructure, is there anything in the world that hasn't been improved over the last 125 years?
 
SECONN said:
Caro who wrote it years ago was criticized for that accusation at that time. I believe they both measured the bridges and bus height and determined that while slightly lower.....a bus could not pass under them on any parkways....and it was not supposed to.

If I recall there was a very good article in the Washington Post last month after the Transportation Secretary quoted from Caro's book. The book was excellent. But Caro's source would not let him use that material until the source died......???
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Wapo fact checked this afterwards and historians generally agree that Caro's entire story was BS.
 
Fishy said:
Am I reading this right?

You want to build a tunnel from Connecticut to New Jersey?
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… That runs through Long Island
 
Nostical said:
By definition, any highway that passes through an urban center will "split" a city. The placement of those highways were a matter of public debate concerning a multitude of issues. To assert that I-84 was built where it is on racial grounds is an allegation that requires proof. My recollection is that highway construction in the area was more a product of economics with little forethought given to future trends. Who in their right mind would recommend putting I-91 along the river thereby cutting off the downtown from one of its most valuable areas for commercial development. Imagine all the restaurants and entertainment venues that got squashed by lousy planning. The question is whether spending billions now to reroute major highways rather than expanding them would be the best use of the available funds.
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You realize you’re having a debate with yourself, right? Because you’re struggling to disprove things that I didn’t say.
 
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DoctorWho85 said:
How else are we supposed to recruit NJ?
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And Mr. and Mrs. “X” you can take the tunnel right through Long Island and on up the Storrs. Easy Peezy.
 
CL82 said:
Yeah, that Bridgeport to Long Island to New Jersey tunnel just seems logistically pretty challenging. If you want to bypass NYC, why not just take the Tappan Zee and then 287?
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Building a tunnel under water bodies is pretty standard these days with massive boring machines.
 
really ... you want to re-litigate whether Robert Moses was racist?

You are somehow offended when anyone - with ample fact or universal historical narrative - labels anyone with that tag? I guess I am old enough for a bunch of Caro's extraordinarily well researched chapters to have resonance. I understand the pure malevolent force which was Moses. Like anything ... I am in awe of his achievement in wielding political power and getting infrastructure completed. But the height of bridges is a relatively innocuous point. Contrast that with the Cross Bronx.

Having said that ... the expressway through Rye via Playland Parkway was a huge middle finger to the wealthy elites. And politically resonant to this day in Westchester.
 
Fishy said:
Am I reading this right?

You want to build a tunnel from Connecticut to New Jersey?
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10 miles from New Haven to LI across the water. The 2 Miles or so from LI to NJ. Its really not that technically difficult. Expensive but it would be repaid with tolls. If you're a trucker there are enormous economic savings in fuel and road time. Probably worth $80 each way for a truck.
 
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giddyup said:
And the estate taxes are higher, gas taxes are higher, and there is more onerous business regulation. However, our schools are better, our medical care is generally better, and there are 4 seasons if you like that. It’s a great place to live if you can afford it.
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A lot of people that can afford it are actually leaving the northeast. I think someone like Cathie Wood can live anywhere yet she is moving Ark investment to fla
 
businesslawyer said:
The Fairfield Train Station was built in the 1890s. At the time it was built, it took LESS time to take a train from Fairfield to Grand Central then it takes. today. Other than Northeastern U.S. infrastructure, is there anything in the world that hasn't been improved over the last 125 years?
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Yes. Many, many things.

In fairness, that 1890s train had no heat, no bathroom and no bar car . So was it REALLY better?
 
giddyup said:
Building a tunnel under water bodies is pretty standard these days with massive boring machines.
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I think the issue is less technology and more geography. Take out a map and try to draw your route on it.
giddyup said:
Went the Tap the other day.., was an utter nightmare on 287.
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I go that way fairly frequently and rarely have a significant problem. Now Southwestern Connecticut, that’s a whole different kettle of fish.
BlueDogs said:
10 miles from New Haven to LI across the water. The 2 Miles or so from LI to NJ. Its really not that technically difficult. Expensive but it would be repaid with tolls. If you're a trucker there are enormous economic savings in fuel and road time. Probably worth $80 each way for a truck.
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Unless you are going to use the Long Island Expressway to connect the two tunnels I don’t think that actually works. If you are planning to use the Long Island Expressway to connect the two tunnels, is it really going to save you any time. It’s notorious for back ups.
 
LOL at people thinking driving through LI to anywhere is a next gain in time.

FWIW, a tunnel under LI Sound is technically and environmentally problematic if you care about such things.

It would also never happen. Flying cars would come first.
 
businesslawyer said:
The Fairfield Train Station was built in the 1890s. At the time it was built, it took LESS time to take a train from Fairfield to Grand Central then it takes. today. Other than Northeastern U.S. infrastructure, is there anything in the world that hasn't been improved over the last 125 years?
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Massachusetts has surpassed CT in most things over the past 20+ years including the inferiority and inefficiency of its transportation. Yes we got a highway under the city and massively improved traffic to the airport, but the commuter rail lines here take just as long at CT/Metro North yet are half the distances. I live 30 miles from Boston, but trains take 50 minutes. Somehow everything here evolved from the T model of stops every 300 yards. There are rarely express trains and we never, ever had bar cars or vendors selling beverages outside of the trains. Grand Central service still blows away MA trains.
 
NJHusky said:
A lot of people that can afford it are actually leaving the northeast. I think someone like Cathie Wood can live anywhere yet she is moving Ark investment to fla
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Cathie lives in my town and has for a long time. I’m not sure how much longer she will run the business as she is 66. In any case, with the new work from anywhere model, why stay here and pay the tax bill? I think she is brilliant. She called Amazon very, very early and was laughed at. Good for her!
 
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businesslawyer said:
The Fairfield Train Station was built in the 1890s. At the time it was built, it took LESS time to take a train from Fairfield to Grand Central then it takes. today. Other than Northeastern U.S. infrastructure, is there anything in the world that hasn't been improved over the last 125 years?
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Your comment, which I’ve heard before, made me wonder how many stops the train had to make in 1890 along the way. I have no idea. It Is crazy.
 
Stinger92860 said:
Cathie lives in my town and has for a long time. I’m not sure how much longer she will run the business as she is 66. In any case, with the new work from anywhere model, why stay here and pay the tax bill? I think she is brilliant. She called Amazon very, very early and was laughed at. Good for her!
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I sold Amzn @ 45…but i bought at 25. Lol. Not as smart as her.
 
NJHusky said:
A lot of people that can afford it are actually leaving the northeast. I think someone like Cathie Wood can live anywhere yet she is moving Ark investment to fla
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I am the Drum Major for ... the movement to dissuade people from moving to Florida. Or Texas. New Hampshire actually has a better tax structure - no sales tax; no income tax; better estate tax + moving funds through to family. Buy a big coastal house from Portsmouth to the Maine border. Or North Conway.
 
Pudge said:
I am the Drum Major for ... the movement to dissuade people from moving to Florida. Or Texas. New Hampshire actually has a better tax structure - no sales tax; no income tax; better estate tax + moving funds through to family. Buy a big coastal house from Portsmouth to the Maine border. Or North Conway.
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NH taxes business owners at 10%. At least it did when I checked. If I was a W2 it would have been a possible destination. Not sure how they tax retirement
 
Pudge said:
I am the Drum Major for ... the movement to dissuade people from moving to Florida. Or Texas. New Hampshire actually has a better tax structure - no sales tax; no income tax; better estate tax + moving funds through to family. Buy a big coastal house from Portsmouth to the Maine border. Or North Conway.
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But the property taxes are brutal.

Rich people can afford the complex estate planning to offset the difference
 
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