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Potential postgrad transfer - Keene & Koulechov

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Keene is still leading the nation in scoring, and Koulechov is still shooting over 50% from the floor and from 3, 85% from the line and averaging 8.5 rebounds per game. I'd take him over any reclassifying or decommiting or JuCo option, 10x out of 10.

I continue to believe that a postgrad big is more crucial for us next year, though. Delph continues to be very serviceable for FAU, and would seem to fit our needs as a rim protector/rebounder/5 more fouls at the center position.
 
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Matrim55 said:
Keene is still leading the nation in scoring, and Koulechov is still shooting over 50% from the floor and from 3, 85% from the line and averaging 8.5 rebounds per game. I'd take him over any reclassifying or decommiting or JuCo option, 10x out of 10.

I continue to believe that a postgrad big is more crucial for us next year, though. Delph continues to be very serviceable for FAU, and would seem to fit our needs as a rim protector/rebounder/5 more fouls at the center position.
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Really need a decent big who can play defense and contribute on offense to keep opposing defenses honest. Even if Steve makes a huge leap and that isn't looking promising at the moment.
 
fleudslipcon said:
Really need a decent big who can play defense and contribute on offense to keep opposing defenses honest. Even if Steve makes a huge leap and that isn't looking promising at the moment.
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I don't care all that much about offensive production from the 5 next year – put-backs and lobs are just fine by me. I just want a guy who protects the paint and rebounds.
 
Matrim55 said:
I don't care all that much about offensive production from the 5 next year – put-backs and lobs are just fine by me. I just want a guy who protects the paint and rebounds.
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That's what I mean by contributing on offense.
 
I think staff has no choice. Time to entertain recruiting over Enoch. Putting all your cards into him, Durham with his injury history or diarra and those knees is playing Russian roulette.
 
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We complained about Nolan. But, Nolan always seem to end up in the right spot on the floor, even if he couldn't do much.
 
scotty0330 said:
I think staff has no choice. Time to entertain recruiting over Enoch. Putting all your cards into him, Durham with his injury history or diarra and those knees is playing Russian roulette.
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That was the idea in recruiting Zach Brown. It's rotten luck the kid lost it after giving KO his verbal. It was a double loss. No Zach Brown and all the other decent recruits were off the table.
 
We recruited many quality bigs. Landed an injured one. Who most thought wasn't going to see minutes this year.
 
fleudslipcon said:
That was the idea in recruiting Zach Brown. It's rotten luck the kid lost it after giving KO his verbal. It was a double loss. No Zach Brown and all the other decent recruits were off the table.
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That's not true .
 
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fleudslipcon said:
That was the idea in recruiting Zach Brown. It's rotten luck the kid lost it after giving KO his verbal. It was a double loss. No Zach Brown and all the other decent recruits were off the table.
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Zach Brown wasn't exactly an altar boy before KO got involved. It's becoming safe to say that bigs recruiting is a major problem.

Whether it's failing to land the top targets (Govan, Stone), or the guys they pick not being any good (Enoch, Lubin) or injured (Diarra, Durham), it's not working.

Hopefully as Durham gets farther removed from his injuries he'll show something, but that's no guarantee. Neither is a low-ranked guy like Carlton.

Facey and Brimah were forced upon the staff by circumstances, but their development arc doesn't paint a rosy picture either.
 
Although I agree that a solid fifth-year big who can rebound and defend would be great, we have little information that Coach Ollie has reached out to develop a relationship with any of the players that Matrim has diligently looked up.
I also think it is absolutely unfair to say that none of the returning bigs will be able to give significant contributions next year. Steve has been subtly improving and I expect a substantial improvement from Juwan. Hamadou shows no limp whatsoever when he gets off the bench, he could be a physical presence.
 
David 76 said:
Tenspro, Facey was a highly recruited 4 star player

HHarry, Hamidou plays for KY
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Give this teacher an apple!;)

Having said that Matrim has it right, you watched a Kyle Washington last night and how effective he is and how he opens up the middle because he can float out - find me a big close to that please.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
Zach Brown wasn't exactly an altar boy before KO got involved. It's becoming safe to say that bigs recruiting is a major problem.

Whether it's failing to land the top targets (Govan, Stone), or the guys they pick not being any good (Enoch, Lubin) or injured (Diarra, Durham), it's not working.

Hopefully as Durham gets farther removed from his injuries he'll show something, but that's no guarantee. Neither is a low-ranked guy like Carlton.

Facey and Brimah were forced upon the staff by circumstances, but their development arc doesn't paint a rosy picture either.
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Zach Brown came from a difficult background and that, to say the least, is an understatement. IIRC there were a series of articles and even a video which were floated on the Boneyard about the kid's background and how he seemingly managed to overcome those difficulties.

We loved getting him because not only was he skilled, but he was a great story. After he gave his verbal, he got in trouble in Fla. with a fight that was bb related, came to CT. got in trouble with his team and was dismissed. At that time KO withdrew his scholarship offer. Did he have problems beforehand? Probably. But how is a coach able to profile players to that depth, especially if the player appears to have turned things around? Should we have taken Caron with his history?

This was bad luck all the way and not on KO imo unless you want to make a stretch statement that KO brings bad luck to the program. I'd argue the opposite. He's had to deal with stuff that occurred just before JC left which still impacts the program and will do so until Steve graduates. And this is not on Steve. He's just the type of recruit KO was forced to get because of the APR sanctions. The NC was an accomplishment beyond anyone's rational forecast at the time of the APR sanctions and the departure of key players.
 
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fleudslipcon said:
Unfortunately those recruits turned to other programs once UConn accepted the Brown verbal. It's nearly impossible to bump other programs at the stage UConn parted ways.
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Zach Brown got in a fight at his school in Florida well over a year ago then Ollie brought him up to Putnam and he got in another fight a year ago. Ollie should have seen all the warning signs with this kid a long time ago and never put all his eggs in that basket. Recruiting kids with major behavioral issue and major injury issues is playing with fire.
 
superjohn said:
Zach Brown got in a fight at his school in Florida well over a year ago then Ollie brought him up to Putnam and he got in another fight a year ago. Ollie should have seen all the warning signs with this kid a long time ago and never put all his eggs in that basket. Recruiting kids with major behavioral issue and major injury issues is playing with fire.
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We can't say though sj, the thought is KO can help the kid become a man, these coaches do believe that I think. I agree though on the all eggs in one basket - between Brown and especially Diallo hopefully the reality of this has hit home by now.
 
superjohn said:
Zach Brown got in a fight at his school in Florida well over a year ago then Ollie brought him up to Putnam and he got in another fight a year ago. Ollie should have seen all the warning signs with this kid a long time ago and never put all his eggs in that basket. Recruiting kids with major behavioral issue and major injury issues is playing with fire.
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In a follow up thread I listed the history without the time table. So you filled in that gap.

I also think you are judging things retroactively. There is no way of knowing if Zach was having a problem because of his environment or something about him. The only way to test it is to do what KO did with encouraging the kid to leave his environment. The Putnam incident demonstrated the exact nature of the problem. By that time it was too late.

I'm not sure about Diarra's injury, but the medical history of Gilbert and Durham were of injuries that have a good chance of recovering 100% back to the potential before the injury. Unfortunately both players demonstrated a greater fragility after the offer and acceptance than people could have reasonably forecasted.

If a coach starts to go down the path of not demonstrating a loyalty to his recruits, that does damage to the program far more than the way KO has handled things. I feel fairly certain that when people do things the correct way they ultimately succeed, at least at a higher rate than those who don't. I have confidence KO is doing things the correct way.
 
superjohn said:
Zach Brown got in a fight at his school in Florida well over a year ago then Ollie brought him up to Putnam and he got in another fight a year ago. Ollie should have seen all the warning signs with this kid a long time ago and never put all his eggs in that basket. Recruiting kids with major behavioral issue and major injury issues is playing with fire.
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You can't predict the future. This kind of play-it-safe recruiting strategy would never have brought Caron Butler to UConn. The NCAA limits on coach-player contact make it difficult to tell who will repent from a bad start and who won't. It's a good thing to give a kid chance after one mistake. The rule "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me" applies. Ollie gave Zach Brown a chance after one mistake. He cut bait after two. Exactly the right thing to do in both cases.

fleudslipcon said:
There is no way of knowing if Zach was having a problem because of his environment or something about him. The only way to test it is to do what KO did with encouraging the kid to leave his environment. The Putnam incident demonstrated the exact nature of the problem.
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Great point!
 
pj said:
You can't predict the future. This kind of play-it-safe recruiting strategy would never have brought Caron Butler to UConn. The NCAA limits on coach-player contact make it difficult to tell who will repent from a bad start and who won't. It's a good thing to give a kid chance after one mistake. The rule "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me" applies. Ollie gave Zach Brown a chance after one mistake. He cut bait after two. Exactly the right thing to do in both cases.



Great point!
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Actually he cut bait after being fooled a third time.
 
mauconnfan said:
We can't say though sj, the thought is KO can help the kid become a man, these coaches do believe that I think. I agree though on the all eggs in one basket - between Brown and especially Diallo hopefully the reality of this has hit home by now.
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I know Mau, you got into a fight or 2 back in the day? No?
 
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Matrim55 said:
I don't care all that much about offensive production from the 5 next year – put-backs and lobs are just fine by me. I just want a guy who protects the paint and rebounds.
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I would include the ability to catch the ball and set screens.
 
superjohn said:
Actually he cut bait after being fooled a third time.
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Unlike the Stairmasters of this board - I am all in favor of second chances to young men who make mistakes. What you expect in return is a recognition of the error and a plan to avoid similar errors going forward. Then you also want a positive path. I got to know Nate Miles a little and I really thought he was capable of improving his life if Calhoun had more time with him before an incident and miscommunication happened.
 
huskyharry said:
...we have little information that Coach Ollie has reached out to develop a relationship with any of the players that Matrim has diligently looked up.
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Doing so would be a violation, so let's continue to hope that KO has no overt relationship with any of these postgrads.
 
superjohn said:
Zach Brown got in a fight at his school in Florida well over a year ago then Ollie brought him up to Putnam and he got in another fight a year ago. Ollie should have seen all the warning signs with this kid a long time ago and never put all his eggs in that basket. Recruiting kids with major behavioral issue and major injury issues is playing with fire.
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LOL - If he got in one more fight - Calhoun would have had him start!

Seriously though, once you get into stuff with robbery and guns - then you definitely need to walk away.
 
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