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TeamFirst! said:
If you guys are not aware that too much pressure can affect performance then you are missing the point. If a player thinks they are going to get their head ripped off and pulled out of the game if they miss 2 shots what do you think will happen? Do you think that environment is going to help performance? I get that it is sacrosanct to criticize Geno AT ALL on a Uconn blog but for the record I am a fan. i just don't like seeing these kids treated that way. They obviously are trying their best under extreme pressure already. Some kids may need a kick in the pants but it seems that every kid not named Paige gets severe criticism regularly.
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:D I'm afraid you are missing my (perhaps overly sarcastic) point.
What you wrote is "Playing unconsciously often helps those 3 balls splash."
Playing unconsciously is not possible. Perhaps what you meant to say was "playing carefree or "under less pressure" might improve performance" but that is not what you wrote.

Regarding Geno and your comment about him using more carrot and less stick-Geno is 67. Geno has been coaching UCONN WBB for more than 1/2 his life. Geno's carrot to stick ratio ain't gonna change!
 
CocoHusky said:
Regarding Geno and your comment about him using more carrot and less stick-Geno is 67. Geno has been coaching UCONN WBB for more than 1/2 his life. Geno's carrot to stick ratio ain't gonna change!
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Nor is his carrot/stick ratio as low as TeamFirst seems to suggest. Just within the last month or two, Geno has publicly praised (as I recall) every player in the starting lineup. He has been saying positive things about Aaliyah all summer and fall. When he yelled at her in the 4th quarter on Sunday, I'm quite sure she did not think that he was totally down on her -- he was just making the point that she had made a big mistake, which in the future might cause the game to be lost. Did you notice that Jamelle Elliott was yelling at her too, and seemed to be even more aggravated by her error?

However, I think Liv and Azzi are two personalities for whom water does not run off the duck's back. Those two, in particular, need a higher carrot mix in their cookie dough than the others.
 
TeamFirst! said:
If you guys are not aware that too much pressure can affect performance then you are missing the point. If a player thinks they are going to get their head ripped off and pulled out of the game if they miss 2 shots what do you think will happen? Do you think that environment is going to help performance? I get that it is sacrosanct to criticize Geno AT ALL on a Uconn blog but for the record I am a fan. i just don't like seeing these kids treated that way. They obviously are trying their best under extreme pressure already. Some kids may need a kick in the pants but it seems that every kid not named Paige gets severe criticism regularly.
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Not sure how you've missed it, being a fan and all, but Geno has lit into Paige numerous times during games. Yelling, waving his arms and being all up in her grill. She doesn't seem to get upset, probably because she gets it in practice too. What she does do is adjust her game and correct the problem.

Also, Geno rarely gets upset at someone for missing a shot unless it's a free throw. He may get upset if someone takes a stupid, ill advised shot, but that's not the same. I did see him give Liv a good and proper yelling at once because she was missing bunnies layups with bad technique, and after he had talked to her she promptly went back out and missed four on the same possession.
 
I know the team did not play up to some ppl's standards but I'm soooooo glad uconnwbb is back! I'm still on a bit of a high and am a bit bummed their next game isn't until Saturday. I think part of the disappointment was because of the anticipation. Now that the dust has settled a bit, I'm not as worried about the bench, who didn't really play well. I think it may just take some time for it to click for some of them (mainly Dorka and Azzi). In the meantime, the starters who should be able to shoulder the load, will have to pick up the slack.
 
Childhood said:
Geno yelled at AE in the late 4Q after a timeout. It's scary and I hope the freshmen have the big heart to play under pressure.
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Summer playing with the Pro's?
 
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When a coach makes millions of dollars and has a record like Geno he feels pressure also right? He wants to be perfect just like every other coach and look at the coaches that have great winning records a long time, for example Baylor's coach last year, Stanfords, ...etc. They act like tyrants. Look at the Michael Jordan documentary. He was an ass in so many ways but he willed them to win. This whole "do it my way right now or there is the door and you better make every shot or you will hear it from me" stuff is sometimes counterproductive. When it feels like your whole career depends on you making that next 3 ball you sometimes get misses. Some kids implode from that kind of coaching and we have casualties every year I would think with this sort of style. I think lots of these coaches that are still coaching after the age of 65 are set in their ways and they get irritable like many old people. They have done it for 30 years and they get tired of repeating themselves. Obviously Geno is a great coach. My point is simply that I think he could be even better. I'm aware he says nice things to his players also. I'm aware that the pressure at a top program like UCONN isn't for everyone. I'm just saying when these kids run into adversity what are they going to do then? Will they have the heart to run through walls to win? Or will they wilt from even more pressure? I wonder if the current approach is maybe too much pressure. I keep thinking of what I saw in Haley Jone's face when she was shooting free throws the other day at the end of the Texas game. They were going to lose at home after winning a national championship. They threw up 3 ball after 3 ball only to have over 15 of them clank off the rim, not even close. They were under too much pressure.
 
Stymie said:
Minutes played has a direct correlation to the potential of injury.
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No minutes, no injuries... that checks out.
stroke beard pondering GIF by Captain Obvious
 
TeamFirst! said:
When a coach makes millions of dollars and has a record like Geno he feels pressure also right? He wants to be perfect just like every other coach and look at the coaches that have great winning records a long time, for example Baylor's coach last year, Stanfords, ...etc. They act like tyrants. Look at the Michael Jordan documentary. He was an ass in so many ways but he willed them to win. This whole "do it my way right now or there is the door and you better make every shot or you will hear it from me" stuff is sometimes counterproductive. When it feels like your whole career depends on you making that next 3 ball you sometimes get misses. Some kids implode from that kind of coaching and we have casualties every year I would think with this sort of style. I think lots of these coaches that are still coaching after the age of 65 are set in their ways and they get irritable like many old people. They have done it for 30 years and they get tired of repeating themselves. Obviously Geno is a great coach. My point is simply that I think he could be even better. I'm aware he says nice things to his players also. I'm aware that the pressure at a top program like UCONN isn't for everyone. I'm just saying when these kids run into adversity what are they going to do then? Will they have the heart to run through walls to win? Or will they wilt from even more pressure? I wonder if the current approach is maybe too much pressure. I keep thinking of what I saw in Haley Jone's face when she was shooting free throws the other day at the end of the Texas game. They were going to lose at home after winning a national championship. They threw up 3 ball after 3 ball only to have over 15 of them clank off the rim, not even close. They were under too much pressure.
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I get it.

 
Geno should have pulled Paige out the last 5 minutes or so, for two reasons. One, should not risk her getting hurt when the game is essentially over. Two, the rest of the team has to learn how to play when she is not on the court.

Azzi is no Paige (someone on the broadcast actually said that she was?) and she never will be.

Paige is once in a generation player, nuff said.
 
TeamFirst! said:
When a coach makes millions of dollars and has a record like Geno he feels pressure also right? He wants to be perfect just like every other coach and look at the coaches that have great winning records a long time, for example Baylor's coach last year, Stanfords, ...etc. They act like tyrants. Look at the Michael Jordan documentary. He was an ass in so many ways but he willed them to win. This whole "do it my way right now or there is the door and you better make every shot or you will hear it from me" stuff is sometimes counterproductive. When it feels like your whole career depends on you making that next 3 ball you sometimes get misses. Some kids implode from that kind of coaching and we have casualties every year I would think with this sort of style. I think lots of these coaches that are still coaching after the age of 65 are set in their ways and they get irritable like many old people. They have done it for 30 years and they get tired of repeating themselves. Obviously Geno is a great coach. My point is simply that I think he could be even better. I'm aware he says nice things to his players also. I'm aware that the pressure at a top program like UCONN isn't for everyone. I'm just saying when these kids run into adversity what are they going to do then? Will they have the heart to run through walls to win? Or will they wilt from even more pressure? I wonder if the current approach is maybe too much pressure. I keep thinking of what I saw in Haley Jone's face when she was shooting free throws the other day at the end of the Texas game. They were going to lose at home after winning a national championship. They threw up 3 ball after 3 ball only to have over 15 of them clank off the rim, not even close. They were under too much pressure.
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Ok good job son even though it wasn’t.That mentality is what is making our youth spoiled. You play sports hopefully because you love the pressure.
 
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tchodgd said:
Geno should have pulled Paige out the last 5 minutes or so, for two reasons. One, should not risk her getting hurt when the game is essentially over. Two, the rest of the team has to learn how to play when she is not on the court.

Azzi is no Paige (someone on the broadcast actually said that she was?) and she never will be.

Paige is once in a generation player, nuff said.
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Azzi has played in one game. ONE. That isn’t enough to make any kind of assessment. I think it is going to take her a little while to even start to show her potential. Her high school season was largely cancelled last year and she had a major injury before that. Barring another injury, though, I think she will become a great player that will be talked about for years to come.
 
phil sampieri said:
Ok good job son even though it wasn’t.That mentality is what is making our youth spoiled. You play sports hopefully because you love the pressure.
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I would suggest that, whatever you play, you love the game.
No pressure, you just love playing the game.
All about the game
My experience:
Checker players love checkers
Chess players love chess
Basketball players love playing hoops
Lacrosse players (me) loved playing lax.
Traveled far and wide
Just to play
Loved it he game
Just to play
Not for pay
Just to play
 
TeamFirst! said:
When a coach makes millions of dollars and has a record like Geno he feels pressure also right? He wants to be perfect just like every other coach and look at the coaches that have great winning records a long time, for example Baylor's coach last year, Stanfords, ...etc. They act like tyrants. Look at the Michael Jordan documentary. He was an ass in so many ways but he willed them to win. This whole "do it my way right now or there is the door and you better make every shot or you will hear it from me" stuff is sometimes counterproductive. When it feels like your whole career depends on you making that next 3 ball you sometimes get misses. Some kids implode from that kind of coaching and we have casualties every year I would think with this sort of style. I think lots of these coaches that are still coaching after the age of 65 are set in their ways and they get irritable like many old people. They have done it for 30 years and they get tired of repeating themselves. Obviously Geno is a great coach. My point is simply that I think he could be even better. I'm aware he says nice things to his players also. I'm aware that the pressure at a top program like UCONN isn't for everyone. I'm just saying when these kids run into adversity what are they going to do then? Will they have the heart to run through walls to win? Or will they wilt from even more pressure? I wonder if the current approach is maybe too much pressure. I keep thinking of what I saw in Haley Jone's face when she was shooting free throws the other day at the end of the Texas game. They were going to lose at home after winning a national championship. They threw up 3 ball after 3 ball only to have over 15 of them clank off the rim, not even close. They were under too much pressure.
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That's just plain BS. You want pressure, how about being in a firefight in the Gulf. Or having to lead a convoy to get supplies to the troops. That's pressure, playing basketball is a SPORT and if you can't take some yelling from the coach because you messed up, I'm sorry buttercup go play some tiddly winks or something.
 
tchodgd said:
Geno should have pulled Paige out the last 5 minutes or so, for two reasons. One, should not risk her getting hurt when the game is essentially over. Two, the rest of the team has to learn how to play when she is not on the court.
Azzi is no Paige (someone on the broadcast actually said that she was?) and she never will be.
Paige is once in a generation player, nuff said.
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OMG! With 13 minutes to go in this game UCONN was up 13. That's the point you want to take Paige out of the game? Did you coordinate this with Arkansas? Arkansas sure wasn't playing like the game was over.
Someone on the broadcast said Paige was Azzi? That's down right respectful-Paige has blonde hair for goodness sake.
 
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I've never seen Geno take out a player because they missed a shot. He takes them out for taking a bad one when they should have passed to someone who had a better shot or failing to do what the play expected or doing something dumb. If something was stressed in practice or pregame and a player doesn't do it they sit. They expect that. he pulled Azzi out after a player blew past her for a layup. Not for that but because she gave up on that play. A coach has to have standards and has to enforce them or they go away.
 
TeamFirst! said:
If you guys are not aware that too much pressure can affect performance then you are missing the point. If a player thinks they are going to get their head ripped off and pulled out of the game if they miss 2 shots what do you think will happen? Do you think that environment is going to help performance? I get that it is sacrosanct to criticize Geno AT ALL on a Uconn blog but for the record I am a fan. i just don't like seeing these kids treated that way. They obviously are trying their best under extreme pressure already. Some kids may need a kick in the pants but it seems that every kid not named Paige gets severe criticism regularly.
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It would seem that your definition of pressure differs from most participants in college athletics. If an athlete is fortunate enough to have the ability, motivation, and opportunity to play, the majority of them actually crave what you are describing as pressure. It’s the reason they chose a program like UConn, knowing full well what they are signing up for, and relishing the chance to perform on one of the biggest stages in women’s collegiate sports and playing for someone that will challenge them to be at their best on a daily basis.

Maybe I am way off base here, but to me pressure is having 5 kids and you can’t feed them.

JMO
 
Billie Jean King!
Plebe said:
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Didn’t realize Garret Cole lifted that line from Billie Jean King, so I looked it up. Her full quote was, “Pressure is a privilege. It only comes to those who earn it.”

With that in mind, it’s not to difficult to figure out which current UConn player has the most “pressure” to perform each and every game, and she has most definitely earned it.
 
TeamFirst! said:
If you guys are not aware that too much pressure can affect performance then you are missing the point. If a player thinks they are going to get their head ripped off and pulled out of the game if they miss 2 shots what do you think will happen? Do you think that environment is going to help performance? I get that it is sacrosanct to criticize Geno AT ALL on a Uconn blog but for the record I am a fan. i just don't like seeing these kids treated that way. They obviously are trying their best under extreme pressure already. Some kids may need a kick in the pants but it seems that every kid not named Paige gets severe criticism regularly.
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The kids that don’t like pressure don’t come to UConn (or go to So Carolina, Stanford, Maryland, NC State, etc). The players Geno signs know exactly what they’re in for
 
TeamFirst! said:
The whole "do it my way right now or there is the door and you better make every shot or you will hear it from me" stuff is sometimes counterproductive. When it feels like your whole career depends on you making that next 3 ball you sometimes get misses. Some kids implode from that kind of coaching and we have casualties every year I would think with this sort of style.
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What the hell are you talking about?
 
boontonbomber said:
not recently, in the big games, they haven't been on the short end.
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Do you think Baylor felt it wasn't a big game? The coach and players I'm sure wouldn't agree with that. And the national media went pretty crazy over a game that you seem to be trying to classify as "not a big game."

What about the prior NCAA Tourney season 2019? They beat Louisville. You think Louisville felt it wasn't a big game?

This past year on Nat'l TV UCONN beat South Carolina during the reg. season. It was a number 1 vs number 2 matchup; that wasn't a big game? Since "when" did number 1 vs "number 2" on NAt'l TV not be considered "big?"

UCONN has had top-tier recruiting classes the past 3 years; is that telling us that to "the audience that matters most (the recruits)," that UCONN hasn't won "big games recently?" The exposure of getting to Final Fours, meaning you had to beat a tough team in the E8, isn't a big game?

For a team that supposedly "hasn't won big games recently" why would so many top-tier recruits over the past 3 years come to "the sticks in cold-weather Storrs, on a campus not as great vs the Power P5 teams, and in a non-P5 conference, come to a program "that hasn't won a big game recently?
 
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