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Great read Cam, as always.

Question for you. In hindsight, would you still be happy with Goestenkors? Or do you think the Duke Den would still be upset at the fact that they go to the Final Four but have no national championship?

If you were to get rid of Goestenkors, who would you have chosen to be the next Duke head coach?
 
Sakibomb25 said:
Great read Cam, as always.

Question for you. In hindsight, would you still be happy with Goestenkors? Or do you think the Duke Den would still be upset at the fact that they go to the Final Four but have no national championship?
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SakiBomb, if Goestenkors stays at Duke, Nneka Ogwumike goes to Duke. That would have changed the landscape of women's basketball. I believe it is quite possible Duke may have eventually ended up with a national title had Goestenkors stayed at Duke.

As for the other scenario (more Final Four appearances, but no national titles), the Duke fans would have the usual mix of reactions:
- "She can't win the big one."
- "Coach K didn't win the national title until his fifth Final Four."
- "Do you know how hard it is to achieve sustained excellence for this long?"
- "We will never be elite if we don't win the national title."
- "Other programs would kill for what we have."
- "She will never be as good as Geno, Tara, etc. without a national title.
- "Being a Final Four contender year after year is a truly elite coaching job."
- "Even Sylvia and Brenda won national titles."
- "Would you rather have Sylvia's record or Brenda's record or would you rather have Gail's record and all of the Final Four berths?"

I imagine that is how the board posts would go. :-)
 
Tonyc said:
With all the parity in WCBB and what Geno has built and maintained his hold on WCBB IMO is an a amazing feat. Looking at this years NCAAs the teams are much better then they were a few years ago then you look at UConns dominance and I think, Geno continues to raise the bar another level almost every year.

I hear other great teams like Duke and Tenn frustrated but understand Geno has done it all with discipline and relentless practices. He has set the bar very high for his kids. He's created expectations and fierce competition. He is a student of the game and not afraid to talk to coaches who can help him. He also has great rewards for his kids, like top restaurants and hotels and chartered flights and trips. All this creates bonding. His players get the best of the best but they earn it, its not handed to them. Its a reward for their hard work and thats why they love him.
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For you women's soccer fans out there, this is exactly what Anson Dorrance did at UNC. He created an ultra-competitive atmosphere, and convinced the players that it was ok to beat the crap out of each other during practice, and still be friends afterwards. A lot of parallels between what AD and GA have done to keep their programs relevant, year after year. It's all about the branding.
 
All interesting stuff. The conditioning program comment reminds me of an NY Times article the other day about the anti-ACL training regimen that is critical especially to women's soccer and BB teams. Nothing particularly new in the article except the campaign being waged to convince teams at all levels to make the PEP programs part of every team's warm-ups involves the use of cost effective analysis to show how financially advantageous it is to go with plyometrics. And of course it likely saves huge amounts of anguish.

But a lot of programs probably do focus more on pure strength training instead of the agility exercises. Sounds from what you say that Duke may be in that situation, and I hope UConn is not.
 
Someone above was talking about Al Brown, Mr. Sweater, who was formerly at Tennessee Women and before that, Men.

Yes, he is a career assistant.

Yes, I believe he is (or was) generally considered one of the better basketball minds.

I however have no clue what he does for JPM at Duke, I think he was with her in Michigan and appeared more effective there.
 
McCallie seems to be the type of coach who knows how to put together a team of overachievers. However, once she gets her hands on elite talent, she has no clue what to do with them.
 
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If you watch the replay of the Duke/UConn game this fall (YouTube) , she seems to be in hysterics (negative)
when her kids make a good play.

Could never understand that.
 
KnightBridgeAZ said:
Someone above was talking about Al Brown, Mr. Sweater, who was formerly at Tennessee Women and before that, Men.

Yes, he is a career assistant.

Yes, I believe he is (or was) generally considered one of the better basketball minds.

I however have no clue what he does for JPM at Duke, I think he was with her in Michigan and appeared more effective there.
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You mean the sweater guy who told the Duke season ticket holders before the UConn game that Stewart is a "terrible defender"? You know, the girl that just went >100 blocks for the season?
 
pap49cba said:
You mean the sweater guy who told the Duke season ticket holders before the UConn game that Stewart is a "terrible defender"? You know, the girl that just went >100 blocks for the season?
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I didn't say I thought he was a great basketball mind, only that I have read articles saying so by folks who ought to know.
 
KnightBridgeAZ said:
I didn't say I thought he was a great basketball mind, only that I have read articles saying so by folks who ought to know.
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I know. Never thought that was your opinion.
 
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vowelguy said:
I'm pretty darn grateful we've got a career assistant helping Geno.
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I know, that didn't come out right. I just think there's a difference in someone that hops around schools, vs someone that is barely the #2, more like the 1b to the head coach. Call me crazy, but I see a huge difference in CD begin with Geno all these years, and AB spending a few years here and there, but I guess I couldn't frame it with the right words.
 
BRS24 said:
Al Brown spent a bit of time at TN, and there are some good quotes from Geno in a book, about Al taking notes during an NCAA practice, so Geno threw some sets in there that he wasn't going to use in the games.

Interesting quote in his bio - 'Brown has produced numerous winning teams and is widely considered one of the best basketball minds in the game today."

The way I read the bio, he's a career assistant.
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Yeah, you read it like I read it: career journeyman. His bio is a long, rambling, strange trying too hard read. He also gives a pre-home game talk to the boosters group. It was there before the UConn game last December that he proclaimed to the worried faithful that Stewie could not play defense. I think he is McCallie's step and fetch and buffer. His title is Ass't Coach.
 
CamrnCrz1974 said:
SakiBomb, if Goestenkors stays at Duke, Nneka Ogwumike goes to Duke. That would have changed the landscape of women's basketball. I believe it is quite possible Duke may have eventually ended up with a national title had Goestenkors stayed at Duke.
. :)
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At least one national title and Chiney might have followed her sister to Duke.
 
Cam - you seem very down on the trainer for WBB - is this based on specific knowledge of the philosophy being used or a general observation. I am curious because we fans generally think very highly of Rosemary Ragle our head trainer, but I have always considered the training staffs at universities to be (with the possible exception of football) a fairly homogenous group - they use the same facilities often at the same time, often move from sport to sport within the department, and tend to be colleagial. With Duke having such a strong medical school one would think the training staff in general would have great training and resources. Just curious.
 
UcMiami said:
Cam - you seem very down on the trainer for WBB - is this based on specific knowledge of the philosophy being used or a general observation. I am curious because we fans generally think very highly of Rosemary Ragle our head trainer, but I have always considered the training staffs at universities to be (with the possible exception of football) a fairly homogenous group - they use the same facilities often at the same time, often move from sport to sport within the department, and tend to be colleagial. With Duke having such a strong medical school one would think the training staff in general would have great training and resources. Just curious.
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It is not so much the training staff, as they are very bright, but the dictates of the head coach, whose edict is to build strength, not cardiovascular/endurance training.
 
CamrnCrz1974 said:
It is not so much the training staff, as they are very bright, but the dictates of the head coach, whose edict is to build strength, not cardiovascular/endurance training.
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Well, Duke did seem to be a very 'strong' team. :rolleyes:
 
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