Possible Big 12 Invite rumors

[RegisteredUconn]

Our problem is twofold.
We're worth whatever the Board of a Conference thinks we are in whatever their metric or outside influence determines.
Secondly the networks who are the gatekeepers have us for cheap right now and they would prefer to keep it that way.

Guys like Yormark can be right in their vision over and over and he appeared to have a great plan outlined. But even accomplished adults have their own vision and it doesn't always include what's best long term. And the older you get the shorter that long term is. What's shocking to me is how little time it appears they will take to approve ASU and Utah over us. It's like nothing really matters and Yormark has just had his legs cut out from under. But Rule #1.

The older, the more accomplished you are, the more you realize that the "long term" gets longer, not shorter. Immortality is the objective.

 

[kobe]

apparently we may be willing to give you guys a basketball only spot.

yormark must be in a charitable mood. would love to see us help a little guy out!

 

[zls44]

The current payouts are not reflective of brand value, they also depend on who you are playing and quality of distribution. In a major conference UConn football becomes far more valuable. UConn's market adds to the value of all the teams it plays.

Explain to me why someone would pay $35,000,000 for something they have for $5,000,000? That jump doesn't make any rational sense. Wish in one hand, poop in the other, etc.

This is also the crux of FSU's/the ACC's issue with ESPN, btw.

 

[pj]

Explain to me why someone would pay $35,000,000 for something they have for $5,000,000? That jump doesn't make any rational sense. Wish in one hand, poop in the other, etc.

This is also the crux of FSU's/the ACC's issue with ESPN, btw.

You get at two key issues: (1) who is the decision-maker? Conferences (ACC, B12) or networks (ESPN, Fox)? (2) where does the value come from? From a team''s brand (eg UConn fans interested in UConn regardless of opponent) or from relationships (eg rivalries, conferences).

If it's relationships, ie if UConn is more valuable in the Big East or ACC than in the AAC, then you can enhance total value by moving to a better conference.

If value is in relationships, that goes both ways: if UConn has a big market in New England and New York, other schools will benefit when they play UConn and get access to UConn's market.

Then, if value can be gained by re-arranging the network connections, then who is going to decide to re-arrange those relationships? And who will capture the profits released by a better arrangement? The networks may have different incentives than the conferences.

 

[NE Football]

We can officially put to rest any chance we had at joining the Big 12. The fat lady has sung.

We should now look for any conference that will take us for football only. The AAC probably won’t take us back, but perhaps the Sunbelt is an option.

 

[UConnSportsGuy]

We can officially put to rest any chance we had at joining the Big 12. The fat lady has sung.

We should now look for any conference that will take us for football only. The AAC probably won’t take us back, but perhaps the Sunbelt is an option.

Why? What would the purpose of that be? What would we possibly gain from moving to the Sunbelt?

 

[JMick]

It wont matter...but its all we can do.

They have their tv money, we have the trophy.

the trophys are great but you can't win a trophy if they don't let you play.

at that point at least college sports will be so terrible it's not worth watching anyway

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

the trophys are great but you can't win a trophy if they don't let you play.

at that point at least college sports will be so terrible it's not worth watching anyway

stop

 

[superjohn]

Oh cool, the Big 12 would possibly think about offering UConn as a basketball only. As if they couldn't possibly get more underhanded and insulting. The scumbaggery is so over the top.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

Explain to me why someone would pay $35,000,000 for something they have for $5,000,000? That jump doesn't make any rational sense. Wish in one hand, poop in the other, etc.

This is also the crux of FSU's/the ACC's issue with ESPN, btw.

I posted the reason’s yesterday
First of all Fox pays $20,000,00 not $32,000,00
Second that could recoup the whole amount or more by giving the B1G East a haircut on the new deal without UConn. Fox is more concerned with Big East without UConn.
Third UConn Basketball both men and women’s will have significantly higher ratings vs B12 teams eyeballs means $$$. That’s just a fact those teams have bigger bases .
B12 football gets exposure into an entirely new and huge market with great potential . That could be enormous.
$20,000,000 is Chump change which will cost them nothing and potentially make them more solvent
UConn should have hired a good consultant firm if there are still any out there . I think they’re an easy sell from a longer term perspective with zero up front cost and little down side risk except to Foxes Big East property.

We can officially put to rest any chance we had at joining the Big 12. The fat lady has sung.

We should now look for any conference that will take us for football only. The AAC probably won’t take us back, but perhaps the Sunbelt is an option.

 

[WestCoastHusky]

Go back in the posts. He was the only one who said the demise of the PAC 12 will lead to UConn not getting an invite.

I been saying from day 1 PAC has to hold in order for us to get an invite. It was crazy for anyone to think the destruction of the PAC-12 will be good for UConn

B12 used UConn to get PAC-12 schools to commit. They used us plain and simple.

What bothers me is majority of schools they added are worth less than UConn. Somehow they are in but we are not. It is really screwed up.

 

[That Guy]

Oh cool, the Big 12 would possibly think about offering UConn as a basketball only. As if they couldn't possibly get more underhanded and insulting. The scumbaggery is so over the top.

We should take it if the offer comes. We would be a member of by far the best basketball conference in the country and football would probably have a scheduling arrangement with them as well. Then we can spank them in football, build rapport within the conference, and likely get an invite sometime down the road. It's a better option than sitting around and doing nothing. We need to be proactive and get our foot in the door of the Big 12.

 

[UConnSportsGuy]

We should take it if the offer comes. We would be a member of by far the best basketball conference in the country and football would probably have a scheduling arrangement with them as well. Then we can spank them in football, build rapport within the conference, and likely get an invite sometime down the road. It's a better option than sitting around and doing nothing. We need to be proactive and get our foot in the door of the Big 12.

Can everyone please all stop with this ridiculous idea and stop giving it any legs. We better not ever even consider this option.

 

[That Guy]

Can everyone please all stop with this ridiculous idea and stop giving it any legs. We better not ever even consider this option.

Why is it ridiculous? Our last chance probably ever to join a power conference will come when the ACC gets raided. If we were a Big 12 basketball member + football partner by the time that happens we would definitely have the upper hand over these ACC schools because we will have an existing relationship with the Big 12 already. If the basketball program remained elite in the Big 12 and we continued to build a good football program under Mora with some wins over Big 12 schools under our belt, then I definitely think we would get added by them eventually.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

Explain to me why someone would pay $35,000,000 for something they have for $5,000,000? That jump doesn't make any rational sense. Wish in one hand, poop in the other, etc.

This is also the crux of FSU's/the ACC's issue with ESPN, btw.

I posted the reason’s yesterday
First of all Fox pays $20,000,00 not $32,000,00
Second that could recoup the whole amount or more by giving the B1G East a haircut on the new deal without UConn and be totally justified. Fox is more concerned with Big East without UConn as an investment than the $$$.
Third UConn Basketball both men and women’s will have significantly higher ratings vs B12 teams eyeballs means $$$. That’s just a fact those teams have bigger bases.
B12 football gets exposure into an entirely new and huge market with great potential . That could be enormous.
$20,000,000 is Chump change which will cost them nothing and potentially make them more solvent
UConn should have hired a good consultant firm if there are still any out there . I think they’re an easy sell from a “longer term” perspective with zero up front cost and little down side risk except to Foxes Big East property. Our problem is conference divisions have be all short term

 

[mikeinmanila]

We should take it if the offer comes. We would be a member of by far the best basketball conference in the country and football would probably have a scheduling arrangement with them as well. Then we can spank them in football, build rapport within the conference, and likely get an invite sometime down the road. It's a better option than sitting around and doing nothing. We need to be proactive and get our foot in the door of the Big 12.

Besides the state flagships (and the money), there is nothing that really excites me about being in the Big 12. In MBB, the top teams in the Big East are comparable to the top teams in the Big 12 - for now. Our other sports teams can still thrive with our current situation in the very near term (i.e., more brand building opportunities in football vs. the likes of Cal, Stanford, dominating the Big East in multiple sports, etc.)

If football continues to rewrite the narrative under Mora, we WILL get to the promised land sooner rather than later.

 

[Bonamassa]

Besides the state flagships (and the money), there is nothing that really excites me about being in the Big 12. In MBB, the top teams in the Big East are comparable to the top teams in the Big 12 - for now. Our other sports teams can still thrive with our current situation in the very near term (i.e., more brand building opportunities in football vs. the likes of Cal, Stanford, dominating the Big East in multiple sports, etc.)

If football continues to rewrite the narrative under Mora, we WILL get to the promised land sooner rather than later.

It's already later.

 

[Exit 4]

the trophys are great but you can't win a trophy if they don't let you play.

at that point at least college sports will be so terrible it's not worth watching anyway

Really I just thinking about 2024 and maybe a couple years beyond. After that who knows- split could be in.

 

[BlueandOG]

Can everyone please all stop with this ridiculous idea and stop giving it any legs. We better not ever even consider this option.

Your view is short-sighted. If they offer us Big XII membership for everything but football, with guaranteed number of Big XII football games each year, and a path to full membership, we take it.

 

[Exit 4]

If they offer us Big XII membership for everything but football, with guaranteed number of Big XII football games each year, and a path to full membership, we take it.

Yep- sucks but true.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Why is it ridiculous? Our last chance probably ever to join a power conference will come when the ACC gets raided. If we were a Big 12 basketball member + football partner by the time that happens we would definitely have the upper hand over these ACC schools because we will have an existing relationship with the Big 12 already. If the basketball program remained elite in the Big 12 and we continued to build a good football program under Mora with some wins over Big 12 schools under our belt, then I definitely think we would get added by them eventually.

That Guy,

Do you attend football games? If not, I have two tickets for you for the opener against NC St. The only catches are a) you have to get to my tailgate to pick them up 9I'll be happy to provide you with some food and drink before the game) and b) you'll need to stop by after the game for a beer as evidence that you remained for the game.

Our chance to land in a power conference will come if our football program starts winning games and drawing fans. While I believe it was being very narrow minded, I can see the concern many B-12 schools had about our football program and why they would prefer the safe play (adding schools that do have a football track record, even if some of those aren't anything special) over one that doesn't.

If our football program can reach, or ideally succeed what we did from 2007-2010 and we fill the house the way we did then, we will be in the conversation.

The B-12 (if we got there) was little more than a bridge. A bridge that offered large financial and competitive benefits over our current situation but still a bridge. When they reach the point where they have to negotiate their next media deal (~2030) they'll be where the PAC was the past few months. If the goal is to get full membership in the B-12 when they next need to replace someone, our chances would be pretty similar if we remain where we are or joined them for basketball only (unless they offered considerably more money than the BE pays). Beyond that, at that point joining the B-12 would possibly be permanently limiting us to second tier status.

Do I like where we are at the moment? No. Am I ready to give up on the future? Not yet.

 

[baggerbob]

That Guy,

Do you attend football games? If not, I have two tickets for you for the opener against NC St. The only catches are a) you have to get to my tailgate to pick them up 9I'll be happy to provide you with some food and drink before the game) and b) you'll need to stop by after the game for a beer as evidence that you remained for the game.

Our chance to land in a power conference will come if our football program starts winning games and drawing fans. While I believe it was being very narrow minded, I can see the concern many B-12 schools had about our football program and why they would prefer the safe play (adding schools that do have a football track record, even if some of those aren't anything special) over one that doesn't.

If our football program can reach, or ideally succeed what we did from 2007-2010 and we fill the house the way we did then, we will be in the conversation.

The B-12 (if we got there) was little more than a bridge. A bridge that offered large financial and competitive benefits over our current situation but still a bridge. When they reach the point where they have to negotiate their next media deal (~2030) they'll be where the PAC was the past few months. If the goal is to get full membership in the B-12 when they next need to replace someone, our chances would be pretty similar if we remain where we are or joined them for basketball only (unless they offered considerably more money than the BE pays). Beyond that, at that point joining the B-12 would possibly be permanently limiting us to second tier status.

Do I like where we are at the moment? No. Am I ready to give up on the future? Not yet.

The next round of contracts that come up will most probably be a rollback to lower amounts.
People cutting cable and only paying for what they want. Fox and ESPN will have to cut costs, NBC will be in the same boat
The Big 10 goes up for bids 2029, the Big 12 in 2031.
There could be a big adjustment all around.

 

[That Guy]

That Guy,

Do you attend football games? If not, I have two tickets for you for the opener against NC St. The only catches are a) you have to get to my tailgate to pick them up 9I'll be happy to provide you with some food and drink before the game) and b) you'll need to stop by after the game for a beer as evidence that you remained for the game.

Our chance to land in a power conference will come if our football program starts winning games and drawing fans. While I believe it was being very narrow minded, I can see the concern many B-12 schools had about our football program and why they would prefer the safe play (adding schools that do have a football track record, even if some of those aren't anything special) over one that doesn't.

If our football program can reach, or ideally succeed what we did from 2007-2010 and we fill the house the way we did then, we will be in the conversation.

The B-12 (if we got there) was little more than a bridge. A bridge that offered large financial and competitive benefits over our current situation but still a bridge. When they reach the point where they have to negotiate their next media deal (~2030) they'll be where the PAC was the past few months. If the goal is to get full membership in the B-12 when they next need to replace someone, our chances would be pretty similar if we remain where we are or joined them for basketball only (unless they offered considerably more money than the BE pays). Beyond that, at that point joining the B-12 would possibly be permanently limiting us to second tier status.

Do I like where we are at the moment? No. Am I ready to give up on the future? Not yet.

I do attend games, I have to admit, definitely not as many as I did a decade+ ago. The problem that we're up against is that judging on our past experience with realignment, we're going to get passed up for every single ACC school when the Big 12 decides to expand again. Even if the football program continues to do well, they're still going to take the P5 schools over us. That may not be the case if we're already a Big 12 bball member with a scheduling agreement for football. I think it would improve our chances of getting in far more than just having winning seasons and hoping for the best when the time comes once again. The Big 12 will be the "best of the rest" conference by the time they pillage the ACC. It won't be anywhere near as good as the SEC or B1G, but it will be a very respectable conference with the absolute best basketball in the country. They'll get a good media deal when the time comes.

 

[NE Football]

If ND does not want to join the B1G, then they better join the ACC now. They might have been able to save the Big East if they joined in football. It could have been the ACC raiding the ACC.

 

[dayooper]

If ND does not want to join the B1G, then they better join the ACC now. They might have been able to save the Big East if they joined in football. It could have been the ACC raiding the ACC.

Why? There’s no reason for them to join any league. The Big10 will always be willing to take them. They have e a nice deal with NBC. My guess is that part of the new NBC deal will be for them to schedule a certain number of Big10 games (3-5) so when they or the Big10 are away, NBC can still show them. They can play USC and UCLA every year (instead of Stanford) and get their Cali fix or they can continue playing Stanford. This would still give them 2-4 games not contracted with either NBC or The ACC.

 

[Marbles90]

Your view is short-sighted. If they offer us Big XII membership for everything but football, with guaranteed number of Big XII football games each year, and a path to full membership, we take it.

Agreed. This board thinks we are way more valuable than we actually are. Spoiler Alert!! You are only worth what someone is willing to pay. It’s not bad luck that we keep getting passed over. We just ain’t as attractive as we think we are. You take any path that will build value in what matters in conf realignment = football.

 

[upstater]

Agreed. This board thinks we are way more valuable than we actually are. Spoiler Alert!! You are only worth what someone is willing to pay. It’s not bad luck that we keep getting passed over. We just ain’t as attractive as we think we are. You take any path that will build value in what matters in conf realignment = football.

A lot worse programs have gotten into the P5.

Most of the posters here are realists about what UConn is.

That being said, do you not remember that UConn was 2x the prime target for the ACC ahead of a few current ACC schools?

We're blackballed by BC primarily, but the fact remains, the ACC assessed UConn positively.

The B12, on the other hand, can't stand yankees, and they definitely believe we don't fit in with the yokels. They're right.

 

[ecasadoSBU]

BIG EAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 4EV3R!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[John]

BIG EAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 4EV3R!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you for your interest in UConn athletics.

 

[NHRich]

So, what’s the number that is enough to overcome
the embarrassment of joining the Big 12 in basketball only? Screw them and their balls the size of Texas!!!!!!!!!!!