When Oklahoma State won it in the 40's the field was 8 teams and it wasn't the premier tournament. In the 60's when Cincinnati won it was 16 teams but was at least the premier tournament by then.
Even in the unlikely event they lose UVA, Clemson or FSU, the answer is: Geogia Tech, Miami, BC, Pitt, Virginia Tech, Louisville. The ACC has an older contract, that pays as much as the B12 (more in the next several years as it was designed to increase each year). If they had negotiated the contract last year, like the B12, it would absolutely pay more than the B12 contract.
They signed that package a decade ago and are stuck with it for another 13 years. Keep in mind as well that I doubt the big 12 is losing any more members, but I wouldn't count on the ACC keeping FSU, Clemson, UNC, and Virginia.
You'll forgive me if that seems inconsistent to me. The state never pays the athletic department directly. It pays the university and the university pays the athletic department. Under your reasoning above, the academic side gets credit for payments to the athletic department even though that money comes from the state rather than its own revenues. Should we also be critical of the academic side for running deficits then? Do they make a profit without a state subsidy?
I stated the opposite.
I wrote that when they go up for a new package they'll be worth more. If the two of them weren't without a package right now, the ACC would be worth more.
I'm not sure what you're asking here.
Does it matter really? Are we hanging our hat on DePaul, Marquette and Georgetown's wins? Is it a competitive and quality basketball conference. Yes, it is. Let's count backward in final fours based on 2024 members that are not UCONN (since we'd add wherever). Skipped year = 0 to year 2000.
Perhaps, but they're not up for another package until 2036. By then the big 12 will already have had two new deals in place. Don't get me wrong we should take the first P5 offer that comes our way, but it sure seems like the big 12 is better positioned over the next 13 years then the ACC is. After 2036, the ACC is likely going to have to cobble together a contract without its best properties. I don't particularly think that deal will be competitive with the big 12. Heck, rumor has it that Louisville already has a ticket out to the big 12. Whether it is true or not, it's another indication of the perception of weakness in the ACC over the long term.
Definitionally the state pays for the athletic deficit, because the academic side does not earn sufficient funds to pay for its own expenses fully, never mind it's own expenses and the AD side.
I think it's wrong, and in fact WVU and Cinci would leave the 12 for the ACC in a heartbeat. That would be their dream scenario with Louisville and Pitt in the league. The perceived weakness is just posturing. A year ago people thought the B12 was done.
I agree that West Virginia has been pining away for the ACC since forever. Given the current financial outlooks of the two leagues and the recent additions to the big 12, that may have changed. They were really out on an island geographically and hated it. That is one of the things that gives me a minute pause about accepting a big 12 offer.
No but it seems kind of useless to count championships from the 40's and before. It's why all the St. John's championships and DePaul championship aren't brought up and why we relentlessly make fun of Syracuse fans for bringing up Helms trophies.
Good point on Indiana.
Yeah, I'm the opposite. Titles are arbitrary. Means nothing at the conference level. Consistent quality of play is what I am looking for in a league. Or would you turn down the B1G, which sucks when it comes to NCs?
Of course I wouldn't turn down the Big 10 but I think they kind of stink in basketball.
No, I would just offer our services in correct in that persistent short coming.
If interest in UConn MBB wanes locally because of conference affiliation, were they really Uconn fans to begin with?
Who cares how many games you or I have watched? It isn't relevant to the interest the fanbase has and whether they sellout games all the time.
We're discussing if the league broke up and they negotiated a new deal now.
Kenpom rankings over time? I want to see good games all season. We play the cupcakes and I want the league games to be competitive and give us a chance to get in the tournament and make a run. That's it. Every P5 and the Big East provides that. You're right that UConn would elevate the title chances of any league we are in.
And it’s not as if we couldnt schedule 2-3 BE teams a year, St John’s, Providence and Georgetown for instance.