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Possible Big 12 Invite rumors

Big 12 Yea/ Nay

  • We got no choice

    Votes: 305 46.9%
  • Stay in the Big East

    Votes: 251 38.6%
  • Are we there yet?

    Votes: 94 14.5%

  • Total voters
    650
This poll needed an age input. I’d wager a significant part of my income that the “stay in the big east” crowd is 50+, pull the carpet up after them types.
 
This poll needed an age input. I’d wager a significant part of my income that the “stay in the big east” crowd is 50+, pull the carpet up after them types.
I don't know. The Dime Back podcast crew is all younger than that. Problem is this fanbase has a legit portion of the fanbase that either hates football or at least blames it for the bball struggles in the AAC. Some of them are younger types who since UConn can't be Ohio State they should just pack it in.
 
Drop all non-revenue sports.
I wonder how the football schools were able to negotiate basketball subsidizing everything else while they keep their entire paycheck. I don’t know the history behind that, but yeah. It’s crazy to think that if football was paying the bills instead of NCAAT, then the basketball schools like UConn would be the most sought after school in conference realignment
 
I wonder how the football schools were able to negotiate basketball subsidizing everything else while they keep their entire paycheck. I don’t know the history behind that, but yeah. It’s crazy to think that if football was paying the bills instead of NCAAT, then the basketball schools like UConn would be the most sought after school in conference realignment
Maybe. Still a packed football stadium is a powerful money generating tool.
 
This poll needed an age input. I’d wager a significant part of my income that the “stay in the big east” crowd is 50+, pull the carpet up after them types.
I'm 50+ and not in the stay in the Big East camp. But then I grew up around Big Eight football. Not much left of that, but I still think it would be a clear positive for UConn.
 
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What does “modest regional basketball conference”. Your terminology is obviously meant to be demeaning but I don’t get your point. Isn’t every basketball conference regional? Well, maybe not the B1G once the west coast teams join, but who else isn’t regional?
He means regional in the sense that it's northeastern and midwestern.
 
This poll needed an age input. I’d wager a significant part of my income that the “stay in the big east” crowd is 50+, pull the carpet up after them types.

I am, if that helps

Wisdom is acquired with time. Maybe we're know we're in a good place, or maybe joining another makeshift conference in the state of flux is not such a great long-term solution, or maybe we don't share all those doomsday scenarios so many are predicting

Nope, we're in a good place once again, we're an attractive school for so many reasons, we'll be fine. We don't have to jump at the first opportunity if it's not an ideal situation.

Why are so many kids interested in joining the new AAC? You'd think experience taught them something :)

Worst case? We stay a basketball school with an emerging baseball program and a soon to be nationally recognized hockey program.

Money is nice, WINNING is more important to the fan
 
Maybe. Still a packed football stadium is a powerful money generating tool.
For the schools themselves, sure. But, for example, Michigan's football ticket revenue is not being spread around the rest of the Big 10. The driver is the TV money. And the facts show that the NCAAT generates nearly twice as much TV revenue as the CFP and bowls do, despite Michigan's football attendance being 600,000 people per year vs - idk - 120,000 in basketball?

If the non-revenue D1, D2, and D3 subsidy source suddenly shifted to football instead of relying on the NCAAT, Michigan football's value to the Big 10 would plummet overnight. And Michigan basketball's value would 10x overnight.
 
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I am, if that helps

Wisdom is acquired with time. Maybe we're know we're in a good place, or maybe joining another makeshift conference in the state of flux is not such a great long-term solution, or maybe we don't share all those doomsday scenarios so many are predicting

Nope, we're in a good place once again, we're an attractive school for so many reasons, we'll be fine. We don't have to jump at the first opportunity if it's not an ideal situation.

Why are so many kids interested in joining the new AAC? You'd think experience taught them something :)

Worst case? We stay a basketball school with an emerging baseball program and a soon to be nationally recognized hockey program.

Money is nice, WINNING is more important to the fan
I'm well past 50 and have been a UConn fan since I was a kid listening to George Ehrlich broadcast the games, and an alum. What the hell is the new AAC? And you think winning can continue without the money to support athletics?

Dream on.
 
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Did you know? Texas and Oklahoma are joining Missouri and Nebraska and Taxas A&M and Colorado on their way out.

Don't worry. AAC members Houston and Cincinnati and UCF are filling the void

Sorry Boys, the Big12 is not at the top if the food chain, they're not dealing from a position of strength, they're grasping. And they're a bad fit for us

Dream on
 
That may be true everywhere but the 'Yard. I can personally confirm from having met some of you (and my own deteriorating sanity) that this place does nothing but burn brain cells like a flamethrower in a hay barn.

Getting "BoneYarded" is real, but I suppose that's true for the entire WWW. The few Yarders I know or have met are all educated, successful and reasonable. This place might actually be pretty smart.

Although more people need to appreciate the fact that good and smart people can and do disagree
 
For the schools themselves, sure. But, for example, Michigan's football ticket revenue is not being spread around the rest of the Big 10. The driver is the TV money. And the facts show that the NCAAT generates nearly twice as much TV revenue as the CFP and bowls do, despite Michigan's football attendance being 600,000 people per year vs - idk - 120,000 in basketball?

If the non-revenue D1, D2, and D3 subsidy source suddenly shifted to football instead of relying on the NCAAT, Michigan football's value to the Big 10 would plummet overnight. And Michigan basketball's value would 10x overnight.
I don't disagree with your larger point, that the NCAA being funded via March madness revenues effectively devalues basketball schools and I absolutely agree that ticket revenue stays with the home schools, but it is still revenue. A key, in my opinion, to correcting the sizable deficits of our athletic department is filling the Rent. Even at $25 on average per seat, that works out to $1 million a game, which is 150% of the current biggest media distribution. And, if we are selling out, average ticket price would be more than $25 per game.
 
This poll needed an age input. I’d wager a significant part of my income that the “stay in the big east” crowd is 50+, pull the carpet up after them types.

I think the dividing line is simply those who don't understand how college athletes work ( casuals ).

What's truly amazing is when you go back to when this first started happening, everyone killed UConn and Hathaway for being happy with the Big East while every other football school was setting up their way out to obtain the needed financial power to thrive in the future.

And now, if given the chance a second time, almost half the people here would choose the same stick your head in the sand strategy

That being said, if Hurley were to take another job tomorrow at twice what he is making here, everyone would find religion pretty quickly
 
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Did you know? Texas and Oklahoma are joining Missouri and Nebraska and Taxas A&M and Colorado on their way out.

Don't worry. AAC members Houston and Cincinnati and UCF are filling the void

Sorry Boys, the Big12 is not at the top if the food chain, they're not dealing from a position of strength, they're grasping. And they're a bad fit for us

Dream on
The most ironic part of this is the Big East added members from the Missouri Valley, Atlantic 10 and HORIZON LEAGUE and you’re advocating staying with them

As a matter of fact, exactly half of the league opponents we have were added to the Big East from a “low major” (CUSA, Horizon, MVC, A10). But we won’t talk about that
 
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The most ironic part of this is the Big East added members from the Missouri Valley, Atlantic 10 and HORIZON LEAGUE and you’re advocating staying with them

As a matter of fact, the vast majority of the current league was added to the Big East from a “low major” (CUSA, Horizon, MVC, A10). But we won’t talk about that
Damn. That is a fine overlooked point.
 
I don't disagree with your larger point, that the NCAA being funded via March madness revenues effectively devalues basketball schools and I absolutely agree that ticket revenue stays with the home schools, but it is still revenue. A key, in my opinion, to correcting the sizable deficits of our athletic department is filling the Rent. Even at $25 on average per seat, that works out to $1 million a game, which is 150% of the current biggest media distribution. And, if we are selling out, average ticket price would be more than $25 per game.
I'd love to see the Rent sold out, but even $1M per home game isn't make a huge dent in our deficit. That's $6M per year on a deficit of $45M.

I know the state kicks in money to cover the deficit, but what happens if a few years down the road we get politicians in office who have no connection to UConn, and therefore no desire to keep funding a massive deficit? That's my biggest fear. The state has zero obligation to cover UConn AD's deficit the way they currently are
 
The most ironic part of this is the Big East added members from the Missouri Valley, Atlantic 10 and HORIZON LEAGUE and you’re advocating staying with them

As a matter of fact, the majority of the current league was added to the Big East from a “low major” (CUSA, Horizon, MVC, A10). But we won’t talk about that
Ok, Catholic 7, plus UConn equals 8 and there are 11 teams. Vast majority? Must be that new math.
 
I think the common denominator on basketball programs leaving the BE and then deteriorating was a coaching issue. Bad coaching leads to weakened recruiting and poor performance. 4 and 5 stars wanna play for a top program with coaching that can win titles and get them to the NBA. It happened with Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, BC, and UConn. UConn brings the right coach in and they're right back to the top. The other programs - nope!!
Yeah. With the exception of Pitt, who did seem to lose something going to the ACC, I don't agree with the others. BC never did anything before the move to the ACC so that is a wash. Louisville did fine until the Pitino scandals knocked him out and Mack was a bad hire for them. And as much as we like to mock Syracuse, they made a final four and two Sweet 16's before Boeheim decided to drag down the program.
 
Yeah. With the exception of Pitt, who did seem to lose something going to the ACC, I don't agree with the others. BC never did anything before the move to the ACC so that is a wash. Louisville did fine until the Pitino scandals knocked him out and Mack was a bad hire for them. And as much as we like to mock Syracuse, they made a final four and two Sweet 16's before Boeheim decided to drag down the program.
Pitts slide might be more so the loss of Jamie Dixon. He coached three years of Pitt being in the ACC, and had tournament teams in two of them.

as an aside, I had forgotten how badly Pitt screwed the pooch on the entire Dixon affair:
 
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I'd love to see the Rent sold out, but even $1M per home game isn't make a huge dent in our deficit. That's $6M per year on a deficit of $45M.

I know the state kicks in money to cover the deficit, but what happens if a few years down the road we get politicians in office who have no connection to UConn, and therefore no desire to keep funding a massive deficit? That's my biggest fear. The state has zero obligation to cover UConn AD's deficit the way they currently are
Wouldn't that be more reason to strongly consider moving to a conference where revenues would be massively higher?
 
Could Gampel renovations (or an entirely new arena) be funded with Big 12 money?
 
Wouldn't that be more reason to strongly consider moving to a conference where revenues would be massively higher?
Yes...that's why I am pro-B12. I love the Big East and it would suck to leave, but it's a move that would put UConn in a position that we have literally never been before, which is in the drivers seat for realignment when the ACC explodes - either in 2036 when they meet their expiration date, or in a few years. We need to already have a seat at the table when Cuse, Pitt, Louisville, GA Tech, Miami, Wake, etc are looking for a new home.
 
Taking football out of the equation, the Big East is the ideal conference for UConn sports. Does anyone disagree?

UConn is an outlier in the Big East in that it’s the only university that has P5 level aspirations for football.

Those aspirations should never get in the way of UConn being a BB power. That is who we are…that is our identity…a basketball power. Compromise that, and we’ve lost our identity.

I like the path the football program is on right now. Continue under Mora building up the program to being nationally relevant while playing an independent schedule.

Then wait for the offers to come in from a P5 conference that’s strong and stable, the B1G, instead of jumping into a Big 12 conference thats in a state of flux that will take us either down or up with it.

Why take on that risk when we don’t need to? We’re on a path of increasing our value to all P5 conferences with each year under Mora. We have the right coach at the right time who’s going to elevate our football program.

Let’s put ourselves in a position where we have multiple suitors, not just the one whom, when you do your due diligence and look under the hood, wonder whether it’ll hold up for more than a few years.
 
Could Gampel renovations (or an entirely new arena) be funded with Big 12 money?
It’s an influx of roughly $40M annually so… likely. Although the school would have to make increases to support staff, coaching salaries, etc as part of that so it’s not like it’s $40M in FCF
 
The school really botched it not issuing debt at near 0% rates over the last few years to fund Gampel renovations. Then again, that would’ve required alignment and swift action which isn’t exactly something we’re known for
 
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