Possible Big 12 Invite rumors

[Stinger92860]

You mean thank the politicians. The choice was The Rent or nothing.

We already had a on campus stadium, right? The issue was seating size. Amazingly the number of driving lanes into a major land grant campus with 18K plus students was the issue. There should be 4 Lanes imo, but at least go to three and reverse lane 3 for in/out traffic. As I think about this, there was concern of traffic for crowds of 40K or more 6 times a year. Is this correct?

 

[NJHusky]

Here's a quick rhetorical question, if you can dropped football today with the athletic department turn a profit? The answer is no. Given that, it's tough to see how anyone can seriously suggest that dropping football will somehow magically make Connecticut athletics profitable.

Not that I’m advocating for it because I became a UConn fan through football, BUT if u dropped Fb you could also drop the corresponding 85 women’s sports scholarships…wouldn’t make it profitable but would cut losses substantially.

 

[Waquoit]

Amazingly the number of driving lanes into a major land grant campus with 18K plus students was the issue. There should be 4 Lanes imo, but at least go to three and reverse lane 3 for in/out traffic. As I think about this, there was concern of traffic for crowds of 40K or more 6 times a year. Is this correct?

I don't believe so. Building a new stadium on campus was such a non-starter that I don't believe they even got to worring about the traffic. Most here seem to forget that UConn missed the original deadline for joining Big East football because they could not get the stadium off the ground. UConn D-1 FB was dead until the Pats deal came around.

 

[FriarJ]

Well one of us is, I'm just laughing at the silliness of it.



I think it's wildly optimistic to expect that schools with an annual broadcast rights of 70+ million dollars, which is what B1G is anticipating, won't channel any of that toward any of their other sports rather than football. If you don't think an escalation in salaries is happening already take a look at what Georgetown is paying Cooley for attaining mediocrity in the Big East. Now, I suppose it's fair to argue well Georgetown is not a P5 school, but the fact that salaries are going up and going up at a very steep trend line is unavoidable. That money has to come from somewhere.

Here's a quick rhetorical question, if you can dropped football today with the athletic department turn a profit? The answer is no. Given that, it's tough to see how anyone can seriously suggest that dropping football will somehow magically make Connecticut athletics profitable.

Why didn’t Penn State pay to keep their basketball coach?

 

[CL82]

That mirrors my recollection. However, the road to Storrs does need improvement. UConn needs to take everyone on the board of any kind of planning or zoning commission in Mansfield and lock them in a dungeon until campus is as intended. Other than that the State should buy more of the land around the university and make it its own town.

I believe that development on the Athletic Campus is not subject to any zoning or planning review in Mansfield. If, on the other hand, we were to put the stadium on Discovery Drive for example, it would be.

The road into Storrs may need improvement, but it doesn't need improvement to merely to accommodate football fans on six days a year. Tailgating to feather the entrance and exit times along with smart traffic management policies could handle stadium fans as well for us as they do for the vast majority of colleges and universities across the nation.

 

[TRest]

It's okay to have an unexpressed thought every now and then.

 

[ctchamps]

LOL. I appreciate your effort to help me. But I was just making the point that saying you can’t leave your fate in someone else’s hands isn’t a real argument. We all do that in hundreds of ways every day. You have to actually evaluate how likely it is that such a strategy will harm instead of benefit you.

I did that fifty years ago and am still debating that about my wife. Of course if she reads this the debate will end quickly.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Why didn’t Penn State pay to keep their basketball coach?

I'm sure they would match Notre Dame. But Penn State has never been good in basketball. It has a 100 year history of failure. Why would he stay? Have you seen anybody lure Izzo away from Michigan State? Kansas poached Self from Illinois. Good P5 jobs > bad P5 jobs. I haven't seen small revenue schools poaching coaches from P5 schools, have you?

I'm confident that the UConn job will remain a very desirable job, might become even more desirable.

 

[John]

Why didn’t Penn State pay to keep their basketball coach?

are you implying they couldn't afford to?

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Oh goodie, now we're going for Muntz level overstatements as if they make points.

No, we can't compete with football programs without football money. But if we drop football, to date, there is no indication that schools are willing to pay football money to benefit basketball. If basketball onlies were totally outgunned by football powers, the Big East and its teams would not be having the success they are.

Might this change in the future? Yes, it might, and I have been very clear that I believe that one day the power brands will try to dominate basketball revenues the way they dominate football revenues. That is why I would take a Big XII offer in the unlikely event it comes. But do I think it's irrational for others to conclude that the more football money Alabama and Arkansas generate, the more they will pour that back into football and that they don't care enough about hoops to break anything but football from the NCAA -- no, I don't think it is. When predicting the future reasonable people will come to differing conclusions.

You can keep going if you want. You have a free field because I've made my point to those who care what it is.

You think we should stay in the AAC. I heard you the first time.

 

[FriarJ]

are you implying they couldn't afford to?

Just the opposite actually. @CL82 was stating these big FB schools care about basketball and will surely divert some of their massive football funds to basketball. Penn State has more athletic money than just about anyone and they chose not to pay a coach that actually made them somewhat relevant in the sport. Why would they do that?

 

[FriarJ]

I'm sure they would match Notre Dame. But Penn State has never been good in basketball. It has a 100 year history of failure. Why would he stay? Have you seen anybody lure Izzo away from Michigan State? Kansas poached Self from Illinois. Good P5 jobs > bad P5 jobs. I haven't seen small revenue schools poaching coaches from P5 schools, have you?

I'm confident that the UConn job will remain a very desirable job, might become even more desirable.

You need to read what I was responding to. They didn’t pay because they simply don’t care about basketball and neither do their alumni.

 

[August_West]

I'm sure they would match Notre Dame. But Penn State has never been good in basketball. It has a 100 year history of failure. Why would he stay? Have you seen anybody lure Izzo away from Michigan State? Kansas poached Self from Illinois. Good P5 jobs > bad P5 jobs. I haven't seen small revenue schools poaching coaches from P5 schools, have you?

I'm confident that the UConn job will remain a very desirable job, might become even more desirable.

And we’ve never been good at football. Thanks for correlation.

You guys make our points without even knowing it. Penn St gets beaucoup bucks in Big10.(59 million) Notre Dame is a bottom dwelling ACC team making a little more than 1/2 the money in conference payout ( 10 mi hoops plus 22 mil football ind) . Why should we care about conference money?

 

[upstater]

More and more high schools are dropping football or merging teams with other schools due to declining youth football participation due to concerns over CTE, gets getting lazy and preferring playing Madden on PS5 to real football.

I would say if football coaches were capable of exercising some level of responsibility, there'd be a lot less problems with CTE in football.

Instead, we have stuff like this:

 

[HuskyHawk]

You need to read what I was responding to. They didn’t pay because they simply don’t care about basketball and neither do their alumni.

I'm saying that they didn't because he would have gone anyway if they matched it.

 

[HuskyHawk]

And we’ve never been good at football. Thanks for correlation.

You guys make our points without even knowing it. Penn St gets beaucoup bucks in Big10.(59 million) Notre Dame is a bottom dwelling ACC team making a little more than 1/2 the money in conference payout ( 10 mi hoops plus 22 mil football ind) . Why should we care about conference money?

Notre Dame gets 2x what we get just for Olympic sports. They have a history of success in hoops that Penn State doesn't.

We don't have much history at all in football honestly. But aside from the last 10 years, it's mostly decent. Yes, we would struggle to keep football coaches even with P5 money. Kansas just overpaid Leipold for the same reason. But we'd struggle even more in the Big East.

 

[August_West]

Notre Dame gets 2x what we get just for Olympic sports. They have a history of success in hoops that Penn State doesn't.

When from digger Phelps?

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Hawk,

Don't waste your time. They know the reality, they just don't want to hear it so when a stray, unique situation arises (such as PSU and that with Happy Valley's location they really can only expect student attendance for weekday home games, which is half the schedule) they'll jump on it and claim it's the norm.

I've noticed that nobody has ever brought up the recent success Auburn, Alabama (despite the murders) and Miami (all football schools that in the not too distant past either cared very little for basketball or didn't even have a program) are enjoying these days in men's basketball.

The fact is they will slowly, steadily price out those who do not have the resources.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Why didn’t Penn State pay to keep their basketball coach?

Why did PC pay to keep theirs?

 

[FriarJ]

I'm saying that they didn't because he would have gone anyway if they matched it.

LOL, they could have exceeded it you know. They don’t care to though because they don’t care. You know this.

 

[August_West]

Why did PC pay to keep theirs?

I mean they did, no? Cooley was offered double of Hurleys salary to stay, now he is making double of Hurleys salary at Georgetown, somehow those two teams dont play football and are not entertaining B12 offers but can pay a coach that in BigEast?

 

[FriarJ]

Why did PC pay to keep theirs?

I have no idea what that means. Again, read what I was responding to. One of the richest athletic departments in the country was unwilling to pay to keep a dynamic young basketball coach to keep their basketball program growing. They did not, and they are not alone. For every P5 school that cares a wit about basketball there is one that doesn’t. Even with all that money. Arguing that is ridiculous. The facts and attendance say otherwise. Penn State has over 30,000 kids on campus and are lucky to get 300 to a game.

 

[HuskyHawk]

When from digger Phelps?

Certainly then, but Brey had a .633 winning percentage over 23 years. Two elite 8s in the last 8 years. It's not Duke or Kentucky, but it's not Penn State either. Penn State hasn't had a coach with a better than .600 winning percentage since Elmer Gross from 1949-54.

 

[FriarJ]

I mean they did, no? Cooley was offered double of Hurleys salary to stay, now he is making double of Hurleys salary at Georgetown, somehow those two teams dont play football and are not entertaining B12 offers but can pay a coach that in BigEast?

Neither have FBS football programs draining them either.

 

[CL82]

Just the opposite actually. @CL82 was stating these big FB schools care about basketball and will surely divert some of their massive football funds to basketball. Penn State has more athletic money than just about anyone and they chose not to pay a coach that actually made them somewhat relevant in the sport. Why would they do that?

Close. What I actually said that was that the influx of huge amounts of broadcast rate and college football playoff money to the football schools will inevitably inflate coaching salaries in facility races in pretty much every sport.