Possible Big 12 Invite rumors

[upstater]

What leverage would they have to cobble together a deal that would bring more than 50 million per year that the Big 12 brings?

I don't think you are following this closely

You're over estimating the actual value of the TV deal. You're adding bowl revenues, bowl payouts, NCAA units, and a lot of other things to the actual revenue that B12 schools will make from their TV deal. What I read from people is an apples to oranges comparison. They are comparing the ACCs current TV deal to the B12s total revenue. This is apples to oranges.

The actual B12 TV money is $31m. The ACCs deal is $23m, but it's an old deal.

We're talking about the dissolution of that deal.

So the ACC would be up for a new deal as soon as all of this went down. All I'm saying is that I'd expect them to get more than the B12 simply because the ACC has the better schools and the better states.

 

[upstater]

They’d both jump at the chance. B12 would probably be glad to be rid of them (and UCF) and could pillage the PAC.

There is too little logic here. Too little rational thinking. There aren’t close to 7 ACC schools that may have appeal to the B1G or SEC and that their media partners would increase their deal for. There may be none. ACC should add UConn, UCF, Cinci and WVU, then B12 can add Arizona, ASU, Colorado, Utah, Cal and Stanford. B1G adds UW and Oregon. Its the only thing that makes sense. Big 12 rebrands as Big West or something.

I didn't say there were 7 schools.

The 7 number is the schools that met in secret.

I already wrote that some of those 7 would be on the outside looking in. I've been saying for a very long time and before this news broke in the last week that UNC and Virginia have definite appeal for the B1G, and that of course the SEC would cement its dominance with the additions of FSU and Clemson.

All the stuff you see going on is actually due to conversations that are already taking place. Conferences like the B1G always trot out the idea that new additions like Oregon or UNC or Virginia wouldn't add to the bottom line. That's just smoke.

 

[polycom]

Imagine having no foresight and thinking we should stay in the big east… What happens when march madness becomes p5 only? How do some of you get through the work day?

 

[jibsey]

Question. Is football getting invited too?

 

[shizzle787]

Question. Is football getting invited too?

It would be all sports if it happened, so yes.

 

[Huskyforlife]

Imagine having no foresight and thinking we should stay in the big east… What happens when march madness becomes p5 only? How do some of you get through the work day?

I don’t think this will ever happen, and I’m very pro take the first invite that comes.

 

[noeynox]

Question. Is football getting invited too?

Was this serious or you messing around? Yormark is on record saying they are not inviting any school with fbs football as a BB only.

 

[noeynox]

Ill throw this in here

 

[Billy Jack]

Imagine having no foresight and thinking we should stay in the big east… What happens when march madness becomes p5 only? How do some of you get through the work day?

First of all, P5 is a thing of the past.

Without Texas and Oklahoma, the Big XII is not a power conference. Heck, they’re without Nebraska, Texas A&M, Missouri, and Colorado as well. That group of 6 made them a power conference.

Without USC and USC, the PAC 12 is in trouble as well. And the Big Ten buzzards are still circling over the carcass of that conference. It’s status as a power conference is shaky at best.

Second, all of this realignment is about football, not basketball. The NCAA tournament is a huge success. They’re not going to mess with it.

 

[king conn]

You're over estimating the actual value of the TV deal. You're adding bowl revenues, bowl payouts, NCAA units, and a lot of other things to the actual revenue that B12 schools will make from their TV deal. What I read from people is an apples to oranges comparison. They are comparing the ACCs current TV deal to the B12s total revenue. This is apples to oranges.

The actual B12 TV money is $31m. The ACCs deal is $23m, but it's an old deal.

We're talking about the dissolution of that deal.

So the ACC would be up for a new deal as soon as all of this went down. All I'm saying is that I'd expect them to get more than the B12 simply because the ACC has the better schools and the better states.

I never even mentioned the ACC's revenue or tv money now because it would be irrelevant in this scenario

The schools that mainly produced those numbers for the ACC would be gone to the SEC and Big 10. The scraps they don't want are not going to get close to what they were getting total revenue, tv money, however you want to describe it. In fact they probably won't even be included in the power conferences, they are looking to reduce not add power conferences.

The Big 12 has retained their power status, which means they get all that championship playoff revenue on top of that tv money. It would be a huge leap of faith to expect bottom dwellers from the ACC to get a piece of the power 5 pie.

 

[noeynox]

First of all, P5 is a thing of the past.

Without Texas and Oklahoma, the Big XII is not a power conference. Heck, they’re without Nebraska, Texas A&M, Missouri, and Colorado as well. That group of 6 made them a power conference.

Without USC and USC, the PAC 12 is in trouble as well. And the Big Ten buzzards are still circling over the carcass of that conference. It’s status as a power conference is shaky at best.

Second, all of this realignment is about football, not basketball. The NCAA tournament is a huge success. They’re not going to mess with it.

With all due respect, This kind of silly. Their total payout to teams is over 50 million AND their champ is guaranteed a spot in the upcoming playoff. They already took their hit with Texas and Oklahoma leaving and survived it.

 

[Rico444]

 

[shizzle787]

Interesting.

 

[upstater]

The schools that mainly produced those numbers for the ACC would be gone to the SEC and Big 10. The scraps they don't want are not going to get close to what they were getting total revenue, tv money, however you want to describe it. In fact they probably won't even be included in the power conferences, they are looking to reduce not add power conferences.

You mentioned how would the ACC come up with $50m. So you did mention it, in a way. I answered that the number they needed to come up with was $31m, not $50m.

The same exact thing was said about the B12 when it lost all its top schools. The remains, the Iowa States, Kansas and Kansas States, the addition of Houston and Cincy, etc., would see a dropoff after losing Texas and Oklahoma.

Look what happened.

They had a huge increase.

 

[noeynox]

Interesting.

What's interesting about it? His tweet doesn't change much of anything.

 

[superjohn]

What happens when march madness becomes p5 only?

That's never going to happen. A lot of foolishness going on but I refuse to believe they're that dumb.

 

[polycom]

First of all, P5 is a thing of the past.

Without Texas and Oklahoma, the Big XII is not a power conference. Heck, they’re without Nebraska, Texas A&M, Missouri, and Colorado as well. That group of 6 made them a power conference.

Without USC and USC, the PAC 12 is in trouble as well. And the Big Ten buzzards are still circling over the carcass of that conference. It’s status as a power conference is shaky at best.

Second, all of this realignment is about football, not basketball. The NCAA tournament is a huge success. They’re not going to mess with it.

They changed the way college football works and it’s worth way more money… they will absolutely change college basketball.

 

[Jbirdp5]

Imagine having no foresight and thinking we should stay in the big east… What happens when march madness becomes p5 only? How do some of you get through the work day?

The new tournament deal starts this upcoming season. If they are going to do anything with the tournament they are talking expansion not contraction…..

 

[king conn]

You mentioned how would the ACC come up with $50m. So you did mention it, in a way. I answered that the number they needed to come up with was $31m, not $50m.

The same exact thing was said about the B12 when it lost all its top schools. The remains, the Iowa States, Kansas and Kansas States, the addition of Houston and Cincy, etc., would see a dropoff after losing Texas and Oklahoma.

Look what happened.

They had a huge increase.

No I didn't. I mean it's right here in the posts you are responding to.

I said the ACC scraps you were referring to.. You keep calling the ACC scraps the ACC, not me.

Now you do have a point about the Big 12 surprisingly able to pull off what they did. But that's because it was their top 2 schools, not their top 6 or 7. Big difference.

 

[superjohn]

I never even mentioned the ACC's revenue or tv money now because it would be irrelevant in this scenario

The schools that mainly produced those numbers for the ACC would be gone to the SEC and Big 10. The scraps they don't want are not going to get close to what they were getting total revenue, tv money, however you want to describe it. In fact they probably won't even be included in the power conferences, they are looking to reduce not add power conferences.

The Big 12 has retained their power status, which means they get all that championship playoff revenue on top of that tv money. It would be a huge leap of faith to expect bottom dwellers from the ACC to get a piece of the power 5 pie.

There's talk about the ACC breaking up because they have schools that matter which the P2 will want if/when they keep expanding. The SEC already took the schools that matter in the Big 12. It sounds weird to talk about the Big 12 retaining their power status because there's 10 teams out there that the P2 would want before they even look at the B level schools left in the Big 12. If when they want to further expand they'll pick off the last couple remaining Big 12 properties that bring them something.

 

[uconnfan68]

They changed the way college football works and it’s worth way more money… they will absolutely change college basketball.

I’m not seeing that. Who wants to see a tournament full of B1G and SEC teams?

 

[CL82]

Absolutely! Their incredible foresight and vision led them to a conference that makes approximately 10 cents of the on the dollar of their peers. Genius, I tell you sheer genius!

Anyway, instead of beating this dead horse on our board, shouldn't you be occupying yourself with whatever Friar fans do in the off-season? Perhaps writing Ed Cooley hate mail or something?