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Possible Big 12 Invite rumors

Big 12 Yea/ Nay

  • We got no choice

    Votes: 305 46.9%
  • Stay in the Big East

    Votes: 251 38.6%
  • Are we there yet?

    Votes: 94 14.5%

  • Total voters
    650
What leverage would they have to cobble together a deal that would bring more than 50 million per year that the Big 12 brings?

I don't think you are following this closely
You're over estimating the actual value of the TV deal. You're adding bowl revenues, bowl payouts, NCAA units, and a lot of other things to the actual revenue that B12 schools will make from their TV deal. What I read from people is an apples to oranges comparison. They are comparing the ACCs current TV deal to the B12s total revenue. This is apples to oranges.

The actual B12 TV money is $31m. The ACCs deal is $23m, but it's an old deal.

We're talking about the dissolution of that deal.

So the ACC would be up for a new deal as soon as all of this went down. All I'm saying is that I'd expect them to get more than the B12 simply because the ACC has the better schools and the better states.
 
They’d both jump at the chance. B12 would probably be glad to be rid of them (and UCF) and could pillage the PAC.

There is too little logic here. Too little rational thinking. There aren’t close to 7 ACC schools that may have appeal to the B1G or SEC and that their media partners would increase their deal for. There may be none. ACC should add UConn, UCF, Cinci and WVU, then B12 can add Arizona, ASU, Colorado, Utah, Cal and Stanford. B1G adds UW and Oregon. Its the only thing that makes sense. Big 12 rebrands as Big West or something.
I didn't say there were 7 schools.

The 7 number is the schools that met in secret.

I already wrote that some of those 7 would be on the outside looking in. I've been saying for a very long time and before this news broke in the last week that UNC and Virginia have definite appeal for the B1G, and that of course the SEC would cement its dominance with the additions of FSU and Clemson.

All the stuff you see going on is actually due to conversations that are already taking place. Conferences like the B1G always trot out the idea that new additions like Oregon or UNC or Virginia wouldn't add to the bottom line. That's just smoke.
 
Imagine having no foresight and thinking we should stay in the big east… What happens when march madness becomes p5 only? How do some of you get through the work day?
 
Imagine having no foresight and thinking we should stay in the big east… What happens when march madness becomes p5 only? How do some of you get through the work day?
I don’t think this will ever happen, and I’m very pro take the first invite that comes.
 
Creates an interesting question. We have 4 NCs in the Big East, or do we? If 2014 was the same conference, then yes that's 4, but then 2023 doesn't count as 5, since this is a new conference.

They left, we sold them the name. Does anyone know if they also got the history? I know they didn't get the NCAA credits.

In any even, if @FriarJ says if we leave they won't take us back. I'm not sure that's even true, but if it is, why would we want to come back? We don't know what the future holds, but being in the same boat with solid D1 football and basketball programs it will be brighter than just hoops.
I have no idea if the would or they wouldn't, I just enjoy all the machinations and teeth mashing by some on when something happened and what it was called. It's something that doesn't matter one iota. It's personal to some, and it's hilarious.

We left, now we didn't, we came back, no we didn't, we wouldn't be invited again, we can't be re-invited again, we can only be invited again. And on and on...
 
Lol if you're going to mention me, tag me.

Biz was absolutely correct in what he posted. I'll never understand why the C7 has this deep seated need to pretend that the conference that we're both in wasn't started in 2013. Why is that such a stigma to you?
Sue me
 
No. That's just not right. We, with Cincy and USF, were looking to rebuild the football part of the conference while still playing the Catholic onlies. And the Catholic basketball onlies left.

Would we have left the Big EAst for a better spot? Yes. Like every member of every organization and every employee of every employer. What in the world is the point of saying someone would leave for a better offer. We stayed and rebuilt the best we could having had the Catholic schools walk out.
You (the football schools) shoved Tulane and Tulsa down the BB schools throat, that was the final straw in the dismantling of what was a great basketball conference. That was when the BB schools said never again would football schools hold the majority over us. Thank God they had the balls.
 
Imagine having no foresight and thinking we should stay in the big east… What happens when march madness becomes p5 only? How do some of you get through the work day?

First of all, P5 is a thing of the past.

Without Texas and Oklahoma, the Big XII is not a power conference. Heck, they’re without Nebraska, Texas A&M, Missouri, and Colorado as well. That group of 6 made them a power conference.

Without USC and USC, the PAC 12 is in trouble as well. And the Big Ten buzzards are still circling over the carcass of that conference. It’s status as a power conference is shaky at best.

Second, all of this realignment is about football, not basketball. The NCAA tournament is a huge success. They’re not going to mess with it.
 
You're over estimating the actual value of the TV deal. You're adding bowl revenues, bowl payouts, NCAA units, and a lot of other things to the actual revenue that B12 schools will make from their TV deal. What I read from people is an apples to oranges comparison. They are comparing the ACCs current TV deal to the B12s total revenue. This is apples to oranges.

The actual B12 TV money is $31m. The ACCs deal is $23m, but it's an old deal.

We're talking about the dissolution of that deal.

So the ACC would be up for a new deal as soon as all of this went down. All I'm saying is that I'd expect them to get more than the B12 simply because the ACC has the better schools and the better states.

I never even mentioned the ACC's revenue or tv money now because it would be irrelevant in this scenario

The schools that mainly produced those numbers for the ACC would be gone to the SEC and Big 10. The scraps they don't want are not going to get close to what they were getting total revenue, tv money, however you want to describe it. In fact they probably won't even be included in the power conferences, they are looking to reduce not add power conferences.

The Big 12 has retained their power status, which means they get all that championship playoff revenue on top of that tv money. It would be a huge leap of faith to expect bottom dwellers from the ACC to get a piece of the power 5 pie.
 
First of all, P5 is a thing of the past.

Without Texas and Oklahoma, the Big XII is not a power conference. Heck, they’re without Nebraska, Texas A&M, Missouri, and Colorado as well. That group of 6 made them a power conference.

Without USC and USC, the PAC 12 is in trouble as well. And the Big Ten buzzards are still circling over the carcass of that conference. It’s status as a power conference is shaky at best.

Second, all of this realignment is about football, not basketball. The NCAA tournament is a huge success. They’re not going to mess with it.
With all due respect, This kind of silly. Their total payout to teams is over 50 million AND their champ is guaranteed a spot in the upcoming playoff. They already took their hit with Texas and Oklahoma leaving and survived it.
 
The schools that mainly produced those numbers for the ACC would be gone to the SEC and Big 10. The scraps they don't want are not going to get close to what they were getting total revenue, tv money, however you want to describe it. In fact they probably won't even be included in the power conferences, they are looking to reduce not add power conferences.
You mentioned how would the ACC come up with $50m. So you did mention it, in a way. I answered that the number they needed to come up with was $31m, not $50m.

The same exact thing was said about the B12 when it lost all its top schools. The remains, the Iowa States, Kansas and Kansas States, the addition of Houston and Cincy, etc., would see a dropoff after losing Texas and Oklahoma.

Look what happened.

They had a huge increase.
 
First of all, P5 is a thing of the past.

Without Texas and Oklahoma, the Big XII is not a power conference. Heck, they’re without Nebraska, Texas A&M, Missouri, and Colorado as well. That group of 6 made them a power conference.

Without USC and USC, the PAC 12 is in trouble as well. And the Big Ten buzzards are still circling over the carcass of that conference. It’s status as a power conference is shaky at best.

Second, all of this realignment is about football, not basketball. The NCAA tournament is a huge success. They’re not going to mess with it.
They changed the way college football works and it’s worth way more money… they will absolutely change college basketball.
 
Imagine having no foresight and thinking we should stay in the big east… What happens when march madness becomes p5 only? How do some of you get through the work day?
The new tournament deal starts this upcoming season. If they are going to do anything with the tournament they are talking expansion not contraction…..
 
You mentioned how would the ACC come up with $50m. So you did mention it, in a way. I answered that the number they needed to come up with was $31m, not $50m.

The same exact thing was said about the B12 when it lost all its top schools. The remains, the Iowa States, Kansas and Kansas States, the addition of Houston and Cincy, etc., would see a dropoff after losing Texas and Oklahoma.

Look what happened.

They had a huge increase.

No I didn't. I mean it's right here in the posts you are responding to.

I said the ACC scraps you were referring to.. You keep calling the ACC scraps the ACC, not me.

Now you do have a point about the Big 12 surprisingly able to pull off what they did. But that's because it was their top 2 schools, not their top 6 or 7. Big difference.
 
I never even mentioned the ACC's revenue or tv money now because it would be irrelevant in this scenario

The schools that mainly produced those numbers for the ACC would be gone to the SEC and Big 10. The scraps they don't want are not going to get close to what they were getting total revenue, tv money, however you want to describe it. In fact they probably won't even be included in the power conferences, they are looking to reduce not add power conferences.

The Big 12 has retained their power status, which means they get all that championship playoff revenue on top of that tv money. It would be a huge leap of faith to expect bottom dwellers from the ACC to get a piece of the power 5 pie.
There's talk about the ACC breaking up because they have schools that matter which the P2 will want if/when they keep expanding. The SEC already took the schools that matter in the Big 12. It sounds weird to talk about the Big 12 retaining their power status because there's 10 teams out there that the P2 would want before they even look at the B level schools left in the Big 12. If when they want to further expand they'll pick off the last couple remaining Big 12 properties that bring them something.
 
They changed the way college football works and it’s worth way more money… they will absolutely change college basketball.
I’m not seeing that. Who wants to see a tournament full of B1G and SEC teams?
 
You (the football schools) shoved Tulane and Tulsa down the BB schools throat, that was the final straw in the dismantling of what was a great basketball conference. That was when the BB schools said never again would football schools hold the majority over us. Thank God they had the balls.

Absolutely! Their incredible foresight and vision led them to a conference that makes approximately 10 cents of the on the dollar of their peers. Genius, I tell you sheer genius!

Anyway, instead of beating this dead horse on our board, shouldn't you be occupying yourself with whatever Friar fans do in the off-season? Perhaps writing Ed Cooley hate mail or something?
 

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