Possible Big 12 Invite rumors

[upstater]

Except those 4 will head to the B12.

Why would they?

In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if they cobbled a $$ deal together that could lure WV and Cincy

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Does this change people's minds at all?

Sounds to me that some union out there feels there's an opportunity for dues money.

 

[upstater]

Does this change people's minds at all?

They should do what I've been saying all along. Go pro, pay them market rate, let the teams rent the school's brand and logo for $1 a year.

Just cleave the whole thing into a pro league. Each team can determine what to pay the players. Nice and clean for everyone.

The only hitch to this is facilities. Who pays? And with what money?

 

[willie99]

Yeah, like Luke Fickell and his wife were Ohio people...until they became Wisconsin people. Rare is the coach who doesn't aspire to appear on a larger, more prestigious stage and to make more money. Rarer still is the coach who'd decline a move which fulfilled those aspirations. Many UConn posters dream of an invitation to the B1G. Why? Because it's a bigger stage and membership means more prestige and more money. Coaches feel the same way, though they may not express their desires until they have a firm offer in hand. Hurley and Mora would be out the door in a heartbeat if the right offer came along.

You mean there's a bigger stage than National Championships?

 

[AZHuskiePop]

I hope you guys who say no understand if the AAC media deal was In the $12- 15,000,000 annual range .Plus throw in Football playoffs share of another $2,000,000 , we would have never left that conference .
With the correct hire , we probably are already a top pick for the last Big 12 expansion .The main caveat is if the ACC or even the B1G allowed us to get away. I don’t think they want to see another conference in “their “ territory.,
The money we’re talking now is more than double what we would have stayed for
Estimates :?
Big 12 media deal is about $30,000,000 per team
Currently the power school football shares are worth close to an additional $10 million
I’ve seen estimates with additional playoff expansion that number could be as high as $25,00,000 annually per team .
With a better schedule and a competitive football team you’re looking a filling the Rent at higher prices , plus playing schools that travel well .,All increasing the athletic and state coffers .,.
I have a hard time visualizing the president trying to explain turning that down in favor of the huge hole the athletic budget is currently
Because basketball fans prefer the Big East
Basketball
The Big 12 is arguably the best BB conferences with multiple compelling games especially on the fast growing. Women’s game.
I totally understand the dilemma , we made our bones in basketball playing in a then regional now quasi regional conference
But reality is if you want to be a Big East school then forget football
If you have any ambition beyond being an excellent basketball school you have to bite the bullet.
There is a huge chasm between Villanova and UVA and UConn has been trying to straddle that gap It’s simply not doable in the long run.

 

[Sick Puppy]

It’s not about next year. They have a long term plan and it’s not about autobids for the basketball tournament. It’s about football and football dollars.

Been in the works for decades, seems to me. Everybody wants that 1-2 FB BB punch. UConn's made the commitment to FB. Ya gotta be all in to succeed at anything.

 

[CL82]

No. That's just not right. We, with Cincy and USF, were looking to rebuild the football part of the conference while still playing the Catholic onlies. And the Catholic basketball onlies left.

Would we have left the Big EAst for a better spot? Yes. Like every member of every organization and every employee of every employer. What in the world is the point of saying someone would leave for a better offer. We stayed and rebuilt the best we could having had the Catholic schools walk out.

"Catholic Onlies"?

 

[king conn]

Why would they?

In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if they cobbled a $$ deal together that could lure WV and Cincy

What leverage would they have to cobble together a deal that would bring more than 50 million per year that the Big 12 brings?

I don't think you are following this closely

 

[Jbirdp5]

Yeah, like Luke Fickell and his wife were Ohio people...until they became Wisconsin people. Rare is the coach who doesn't aspire to appear on a larger, more prestigious stage and to make more money. Rarer still is the coach who'd decline a move which fulfilled those aspirations. Many UConn posters dream of an invitation to the B1G. Why? Because it's a bigger stage and membership means more prestige and more money. Coaches feel the same way, though they may not express their desires until they have a firm offer in hand. Hurley and Mora would be out the door in a heartbeat if the right offer came along.

Fickell couldn’t win a title at cinncinatti, Hurley already won one at UConn….not a valid comparison

 

[noeynox]

Why would they?

In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if they cobbled a $$ deal together that could lure WV and Cincy

Would any new conference be a "power conference"? They're designated as such and a reason Aresco wants to see the designation go away.

 

[Sick Puppy]

The Big 12 is arguably the best BB conferences with multiple compelling games especially on the fast growing. Women’s game.

Women's sports loose money. A ton.

 

[EnochRoot]

I hope you guys who say no understand if the AAC media deal was In the $12- 15,000,000 annual range .Plus throw in Football playoffs share of another $2,000,000 , we would have never left that conference .
With the correct hire , we probably are already a top pick for the last Big 12 expansion .The main caveat is if the ACC or even the B1G allowed us to get away. I don’t think they want to see another conference in “their “ territory.,
The money we’re talking now is more than double what we would have stayed for
Estimates :?
Big 12 media deal is about $30,000,000 per team
Currently the power school football shares are worth close to an additional $10 million
I’ve seen estimates with additional playoff expansion that number could be as high as $25,00,000 annually per team .
With a better schedule and a competitive football team you’re looking a filling the Rent at higher prices , plus playing schools that travel well .,All increasing the athletic and state coffers .,.
I have a hard time visualizing the president trying to explain turning that down in favor of the huge hole the athletic budget is currently
Because basketball fans prefer the Big East
Basketball
The Big 12 is arguably the best BB conferences with multiple compelling games especially on the fast growing. Women’s game.
I totally understand the dilemma , we made our bones in basketball playing in a then regional now quasi regional conference
But reality is if you want to be a Big East school then forget football
If you have any ambition beyond being an excellent basketball school you have to bite the bullet.
There is a huge chasm between Villanova and UVA and UConn has been trying to straddle that gap It’s simply not doable in the long run.

It would seem to me you are arguing to not make the same mistakes again, which is to say, STAY IN THE BIG EAST.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Why would they?

In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if they cobbled a $$ deal together that could lure WV and Cincy

They’d both jump at the chance. B12 would probably be glad to be rid of them (and UCF) and could pillage the PAC.

There is too little logic here. Too little rational thinking. There aren’t close to 7 ACC schools that may have appeal to the B1G or SEC and that their media partners would increase their deal for. There may be none. ACC should add UConn, UCF, Cinci and WVU, then B12 can add Arizona, ASU, Colorado, Utah, Cal and Stanford. B1G adds UW and Oregon. Its the only thing that makes sense. Big 12 rebrands as Big West or something.

 

[NowInStorrs]

"Catholic Onlies"?

It's better than some other terms that have been thrown around recently referring to Catholic schools

 

[UConnSwag11]

 

[upstater]

What leverage would they have to cobble together a deal that would bring more than 50 million per year that the Big 12 brings?

I don't think you are following this closely

You're over estimating the actual value of the TV deal. You're adding bowl revenues, bowl payouts, NCAA units, and a lot of other things to the actual revenue that B12 schools will make from their TV deal. What I read from people is an apples to oranges comparison. They are comparing the ACCs current TV deal to the B12s total revenue. This is apples to oranges.

The actual B12 TV money is $31m. The ACCs deal is $23m, but it's an old deal.

We're talking about the dissolution of that deal.

So the ACC would be up for a new deal as soon as all of this went down. All I'm saying is that I'd expect them to get more than the B12 simply because the ACC has the better schools and the better states.

 

[upstater]

They’d both jump at the chance. B12 would probably be glad to be rid of them (and UCF) and could pillage the PAC.

There is too little logic here. Too little rational thinking. There aren’t close to 7 ACC schools that may have appeal to the B1G or SEC and that their media partners would increase their deal for. There may be none. ACC should add UConn, UCF, Cinci and WVU, then B12 can add Arizona, ASU, Colorado, Utah, Cal and Stanford. B1G adds UW and Oregon. Its the only thing that makes sense. Big 12 rebrands as Big West or something.

I didn't say there were 7 schools.

The 7 number is the schools that met in secret.

I already wrote that some of those 7 would be on the outside looking in. I've been saying for a very long time and before this news broke in the last week that UNC and Virginia have definite appeal for the B1G, and that of course the SEC would cement its dominance with the additions of FSU and Clemson.

All the stuff you see going on is actually due to conversations that are already taking place. Conferences like the B1G always trot out the idea that new additions like Oregon or UNC or Virginia wouldn't add to the bottom line. That's just smoke.

 

[polycom]

Imagine having no foresight and thinking we should stay in the big east… What happens when march madness becomes p5 only? How do some of you get through the work day?

 

[jibsey]

Question. Is football getting invited too?

 

[shizzle787]

Question. Is football getting invited too?

It would be all sports if it happened, so yes.

 

[Huskyforlife]

Imagine having no foresight and thinking we should stay in the big east… What happens when march madness becomes p5 only? How do some of you get through the work day?

I don’t think this will ever happen, and I’m very pro take the first invite that comes.

 

[noeynox]

Question. Is football getting invited too?

Was this serious or you messing around? Yormark is on record saying they are not inviting any school with fbs football as a BB only.

 

[noeynox]

Ill throw this in here

 

[FriarJ]

Creates an interesting question. We have 4 NCs in the Big East, or do we? If 2014 was the same conference, then yes that's 4, but then 2023 doesn't count as 5, since this is a new conference.

They left, we sold them the name. Does anyone know if they also got the history? I know they didn't get the NCAA credits.

In any even, if @FriarJ says if we leave they won't take us back. I'm not sure that's even true, but if it is, why would we want to come back? We don't know what the future holds, but being in the same boat with solid D1 football and basketball programs it will be brighter than just hoops.

I have no idea if the would or they wouldn't, I just enjoy all the machinations and teeth mashing by some on when something happened and what it was called. It's something that doesn't matter one iota. It's personal to some, and it's hilarious.

We left, now we didn't, we came back, no we didn't, we wouldn't be invited again, we can't be re-invited again, we can only be invited again. And on and on...

 

[FriarJ]

Lol if you're going to mention me, tag me.

Biz was absolutely correct in what he posted. I'll never understand why the C7 has this deep seated need to pretend that the conference that we're both in wasn't started in 2013. Why is that such a stigma to you?

Sue me

 

[FriarJ]

No. That's just not right. We, with Cincy and USF, were looking to rebuild the football part of the conference while still playing the Catholic onlies. And the Catholic basketball onlies left.

Would we have left the Big EAst for a better spot? Yes. Like every member of every organization and every employee of every employer. What in the world is the point of saying someone would leave for a better offer. We stayed and rebuilt the best we could having had the Catholic schools walk out.

You (the football schools) shoved Tulane and Tulsa down the BB schools throat, that was the final straw in the dismantling of what was a great basketball conference. That was when the BB schools said never again would football schools hold the majority over us. Thank God they had the balls.

 

[Billy Jack]

Imagine having no foresight and thinking we should stay in the big east… What happens when march madness becomes p5 only? How do some of you get through the work day?

First of all, P5 is a thing of the past.

Without Texas and Oklahoma, the Big XII is not a power conference. Heck, they’re without Nebraska, Texas A&M, Missouri, and Colorado as well. That group of 6 made them a power conference.

Without USC and USC, the PAC 12 is in trouble as well. And the Big Ten buzzards are still circling over the carcass of that conference. It’s status as a power conference is shaky at best.

Second, all of this realignment is about football, not basketball. The NCAA tournament is a huge success. They’re not going to mess with it.

 

[king conn]

You're over estimating the actual value of the TV deal. You're adding bowl revenues, bowl payouts, NCAA units, and a lot of other things to the actual revenue that B12 schools will make from their TV deal. What I read from people is an apples to oranges comparison. They are comparing the ACCs current TV deal to the B12s total revenue. This is apples to oranges.

The actual B12 TV money is $31m. The ACCs deal is $23m, but it's an old deal.

We're talking about the dissolution of that deal.

So the ACC would be up for a new deal as soon as all of this went down. All I'm saying is that I'd expect them to get more than the B12 simply because the ACC has the better schools and the better states.

I never even mentioned the ACC's revenue or tv money now because it would be irrelevant in this scenario

The schools that mainly produced those numbers for the ACC would be gone to the SEC and Big 10. The scraps they don't want are not going to get close to what they were getting total revenue, tv money, however you want to describe it. In fact they probably won't even be included in the power conferences, they are looking to reduce not add power conferences.

The Big 12 has retained their power status, which means they get all that championship playoff revenue on top of that tv money. It would be a huge leap of faith to expect bottom dwellers from the ACC to get a piece of the power 5 pie.

 

[noeynox]

First of all, P5 is a thing of the past.

Without Texas and Oklahoma, the Big XII is not a power conference. Heck, they’re without Nebraska, Texas A&M, Missouri, and Colorado as well. That group of 6 made them a power conference.

Without USC and USC, the PAC 12 is in trouble as well. And the Big Ten buzzards are still circling over the carcass of that conference. It’s status as a power conference is shaky at best.

Second, all of this realignment is about football, not basketball. The NCAA tournament is a huge success. They’re not going to mess with it.

With all due respect, This kind of silly. Their total payout to teams is over 50 million AND their champ is guaranteed a spot in the upcoming playoff. They already took their hit with Texas and Oklahoma leaving and survived it.

 

[Rico444]