Polish players

[Dokey]

Just watched an interview with Colorado sophomore Zuzanna Kulinska from Poland who was unable to return to Poland for three weeks and stayed in Boulder. Like Anna, she was supposed to participate in the Polish national team workouts and said she was looking forward in a week’s time to begin practicing in CU fieldhouse. Presumably if CU holds on campus classes, she can stay in U.S. Anna faces far more problems considering travel ban. From a basketball stand, Anna may have made a mistake going home. But it is probably moot since it is highly unlikely there will be any college sports in 2020.

 

[da60]

.....such a sad thought. Hoping that miracles do occur, we will be over the hump and actually have a season. Hoping that all the kids stay well and Anna gets back with us. She is my favorite and I have enjoyed watching her bloom as a player and person.

 

[boballo]

I am 78 years old and have been through many virus and medical problems attacking the United States and the world. Just be patient and we will survive sooner than later.

 

[bluedevil]

Everything will work out as it is supposed to be...

 

[Dokey]

.....such a sad thought. Hoping that miracles do occur, we will be over the hump and actually have a season. Hoping that all the kids stay well and Anna gets back with us. She is my favorite and I have enjoyed watching her bloom as a player and person.

 

[Dokey]

I am looking forward to seeing Anna and team win NC in the June Jamboree.

 

[rvwsleep]

Everything will work out as it is supposed to be...

How is it decided what "is supposed to be" ?

 

[borninansonia]

How is it decided what "is supposed to be" ?

By Gaia, and from what I can tell, Gaia is pissed off at the invasive mammalian weeds that are destroying the ecosystem.

 

[bluedevil]

How is it decided what "is supposed to be" ?

Illuminati silly

 

[da60]

I am looking forward to seeing Anna and team win NC in the June Jamboree.

 

[da60]

yes

 

[Boreifs]

I have a close friend whose Visa expires in August. He won’t even be able to get an appointment to renew it until December because the US Embassy in Madrid is closed. If any foreign students get to play this year, it will be a surprise.

 

[chrissaran]

Everything will work out as it is supposed to be...

I never understood that saying.

 

[Dokey]

I never understood that saying.

It means we’re screwed.

 

[Cuango]

I never understood that saying.

It is simply the indisputable statement that, absent the ability to directly affect a given situation, things will turn out as they will, and therefore, there is nothing to be done except to wait patiently to see what happens! That of course, is easier said than done! I (and presumably everyone here) am going to be devastated if our team is unable to play this year! I guess all we can do is pray and hope that somehow they are able to find a safe way to play!

 

[Jmsdawg]

I am 78 years old and have been through many virus and medical problems attacking the United States and the world. Just be patient and we will survive sooner than later.

I am also 78 years old and I have never seen a virus or medical problems like the Coronavirus. I know this will eventually end but I worry many of us will affected by this illness before it is over. Stay home as much as possible and WEAR A MASK if you go out!

 

[MilfordHusky]

There are now at least 3 lawsuits in federal court challenging the legality of ICE's new rules and seeking a preliminary injunction/restraining order that will prohibit ICE from enforcing the rules pending the outcome of the legal challenges. The first ruling could come as early as Tuesday in federal court in Boston in the case initiated by Harvard and MIT. Comments made by the judge in that case on Friday suggested that she was leaning towards granting the restraining order.

Johns Hopkins has also filed a lawsuit in federal court in Maryland and the state of California has sued ICE in federal court in California. Other universities (e.g., Rice and Rutgers) have intervened in support of the Harvard/MIT suit. I'm sure other colleges and universities have taken similar steps and I suspect organizations representing foreign students in the US will also seek to intervene in support of the legal challenges.

Some info on Rice University President David Leebron

He earned a Bachelors, summa cum laude, in History and Science from Harvard College in 1976, and his JD, magna cum laude, from Harvard Law School in 1979, where he was president of the Harvard Law Review, notably working with the future Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts. He later was the Dean of Columbia Law School, before assuming the Presidency at Rice.

 

[da60]

It means we’re screwed.

Big Time.............but having known Geno

 

[Boreifs]

There are now at least 3 lawsuits in federal court challenging the legality of ICE's new rules and seeking a preliminary injunction/restraining order that will prohibit ICE from enforcing the rules pending the outcome of the legal challenges. The first ruling could come as early as Tuesday in federal court in Boston in the case initiated by Harvard and MIT. Comments made by the judge in that case on Friday suggested that she was leaning towards granting the restraining order.

Johns Hopkins has also filed a lawsuit in federal court in Maryland and the state of California has sued ICE in federal court in California. Other universities (e.g., Rice and Rutgers) have intervened in support of the Harvard/MIT suit. I'm sure other colleges and universities have taken similar steps and I suspect organizations representing foreign students in the US will also seek to intervene in support of the legal challenges.

That doesn’t solve the problem is foreign students unable to get Visas because of staffing at foreign Embassies worldwide.

 

[CTrefugee]

Polish players are easy to find.

 

[Dokey]

There are now at least 3 lawsuits in federal court challenging the legality of ICE's new rules and seeking a preliminary injunction/restraining order that will prohibit ICE from enforcing the rules pending the outcome of the legal challenges. The first ruling could come as early as Tuesday in federal court in Boston in the case initiated by Harvard and MIT. Comments made by the judge in that case on Friday suggested that she was leaning towards granting the restraining order.

Johns Hopkins has also filed a lawsuit in federal court in Maryland and the state of California has sued ICE in federal court in California. Other universities (e.g., Rice and Rutgers) have intervened in support of the Harvard/MIT suit. I'm sure other colleges and universities have taken similar steps and I suspect organizations representing foreign students in the US will also seek to intervene in support of the legal challenges.

Up to 17 states now suing.

 

[CTrefugee]

Up to 17 states now suing.

What is the suit asking for ? I am against just letting all 600,000 foreign students in to the USA at this time.
They should all be quarantined prior to arrival.

 

[Argonaut]

What is the suit asking for ? I am against just letting all 600,000 foreign students in to the USA at this time.
They should all be quarantined prior to arrival.

From what I’ve gathered, the suit is less about student athletes who are abroad and want to come back (like those that we want back), but rather kicking students out of the country who have never left because their universities aren’t offering in-person courses.

 

[VaConnFan11]

From what I’ve gathered, the suit is less about student athletes who are abroad and want to come back (like those that we want back), but rather kicking students out of the country who have never left because their universities aren’t offering in-person courses.

I think it has a lot to do with how student visas are worded. I believe the exact term in the visas is "attend". If all of the classes are online, then there is no need for the person to be in the country.

Logically it makes sense. Logistically it is difficult to execute at this time.

 

[Argonaut]

I think it has a lot to do with how student visas are worded. I believe the exact term in the visas is "attend". If all of the classes are online, then there is no need for the person to be in the country.

Logically it makes sense. Logistically it is difficult to execute at this time.

The wording is definitely the issue and I’d guess it hasn’t been updated since online learning became a thing, much less in response to the pandemic.

But I guess what I meant is that the students at the heart of the suit are the ones who stayed in the US and are now being told they have to go home, which (and this part isn’t the government’s fault) can be an insanely expensive demand.

 

[UConnCat]

I think it has a lot to do with how student visas are worded. I believe the exact term in the visas is "attend". If all of the classes are online, then there is no need for the person to be in the country.

Logically it makes sense. Logistically it is difficult to execute at this time.

In March, ICE allowed an exemption to the preexisting rule that students in the country on certain nonimmigrant student visas (“F-1” visas) must attend most classes in person. This exemption was in response to the Covid pandemic and the fact that colleges and universities replaced in-person classes with on-line classes during the spring term. The exemption stated that students holding F-1 visas could attend remote classes while retaining their visa status. Furthermore the US government stated that the exemption would remain “in effect for the duration of the emergency."

The lawsuits are not seeking to change the preexisting rules for F-1 visas, they are arguing that the exemption should remain in effect until the Covid emergency is over (it isn't, of course). Harvard and MIT point out that they and other universities across the country made plans for the upcoming academic year relying on the exemption remaining in place, especially given the current state of the virus in the US. Lifting the exemption at this late date, they argue, has thrown universities and foreign students in to chaos.

 

[Papa33]

My wife, before retiring, was an immigration attorney in CT. She wonders if a student could enroll in just one class on campus and thereby avoid forced removal?

 

[UConnCat]

My wife, before retiring, was an immigration attorney in CT. She wonders if a student could enroll in just one class on campus and thereby avoid forced removal?

Here are new regulations that are currently being challenged in federal courts across the country:

1. Nonimmigrant F-1 and M-1 students attending schools operating entirely online may not take a full online course load and remain in the United States. The U.S. Department of State will not issue visas to students enrolled in schools and/or programs that are fully online for the fall semester nor will U.S. Customs and Border Protection permit these students to enter the United States. Active students currently in the United States enrolled in such programs must depart the country or take other measures, such as transferring to a school with in-person instruction to remain in lawful status. If not, they may face immigration consequences including, but not limited to, the initiation of removal proceedings.
2. Nonimmigrant F-1 students attending schools operating under normal in-person classes are bound by existing federal regulations. Eligible F students may take a maximum of one class or three credit hours online.
3. Nonimmigrant F-1 students attending schools adopting a hybrid model—that is, a mixture of online and in person classes—will be allowed to take more than one class or three credit hours online. These schools must certify to SEVP, through the Form I-20, “Certificate of Eligibility for Nonimmigrant Student Status,” certifying that the program is not entirely online, that the student is not taking an entirely online course load this semester, and that the student is taking the minimum number of online classes required to make normal progress in their degree program. The above exemptions do not apply to F-1 students in English language training programs or M-1 students pursing vocational degrees, who are not permitted to enroll in any online courses.

 

[UConnCat]

For anyone tempted to think the universities have altruistic motives in these lawsuits, take a look at the articles below and do the math. Many are, or will soon be, in big trouble financially. They've become fat on easily obtained student loan money, an explosion of revenue from grants and, for the Power 5, cash beyond their wildest dreams from TV contracts.

Since China was mentioned in the posted story, the first article below provides statistics just for students from China. The second provides data on totals of college students in various data groups, and the third provides data on average "cost of attendance" across all colleges nationwide. In 2019 there 369,000 Chinese students among the over 1,100,000 Non-Resident Alien students enrolled here.

Number of Chinese students in the U.S. 2024| Statista

The Number of Chinese students in the U.S. has declined considerably since 2020, falling below 280,000 in 2024.

www.statista.com

Fast Facts: Back-to-school statistics (372)

The NCES Fast Facts Tool provides quick answers to many education questions (National Center for Education Statistics). Get answers on Early Childhood Education, Elementary and Secondary Education and Higher Education here.

nces.ed.gov

2025 Cost of Attendance Statistics - Tuition, Fees & Living Costs Analysis

This page shows the average tuition and other colleges costs by school types and levels for academic year 2024-2025.

blog.collegetuitioncompare.com

If you want to estimate the financial impact of the potential loss of foreign students, do the math.

Using the "average cost of attendance" ($35,000) for all students nationwide, the 369,000 Chinese that were matriculating at US colleges and universities in 2019 paid a total of $12,915,000,000 to their schools. For the math challenged, that's 12 Billion 915 Million Dollars!

If you use the same "average cost of attendance" for all 1,100,000 Non-Resident Aliens attending colleges and universities in the USofA in 2019, the revenue totalled $38,500,000,000. That's $38 Billion 500 Million.

Public College Presidents and CFO's are going to have to be creative or, if there's any money left in state treasuries, go hat in hand to their governors and legislatures for bailouts. Well endowed Private Schools like Harvard, with it's over $37,000,000,000 (37 Billion) endowment can probably skate by. Not sure what the poorly endowed private schools will be able to do.

I'm not aware of anyone who thinks or is tempted to think that the motivation behind these lawsuits doesn't include the financial self-interest of the colleges and universities. The financial implications have been well-documented. The government's motivation is not altruistic either though one could argue it should be.

The primary goal of the lawsuits right now is to get these rules enjoined. One requirement for an injunction is to show irreparable harm to the affected parties. Irreparable harm in these cases will come from the consequences of forced deportation of foreign students currently in the US. Another example of irreparable harm will be the risk of Covid infection to students, faculty, staff and the local communities if schools are forced to offer in-person classes. Monetary damages are typically not considered irreparable harm but there may be some universities who are making that claim.

 

[Kaizen]

Tech giants join fight against ICE restrictions on foreign students

In an amicus brief filed Monday, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, as well as Facebook, Google, Twitter, Salesforce, Microsoft and more, sided with Harvard and MIT in their lawsuit against the U.S. government. The suit pertains to a July 6 directive from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement that would send foreign students home if their college classes go entirely online due to COVID-19. In the suit, Harvard and MIT, which both plan to hold classes online in the fall, argue that ICE failed to consider the potentially devastating impacts of that rule.