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[UConnCat]

I think it has a lot to do with how student visas are worded. I believe the exact term in the visas is "attend". If all of the classes are online, then there is no need for the person to be in the country.

Logically it makes sense. Logistically it is difficult to execute at this time.

In March, ICE allowed an exemption to the preexisting rule that students in the country on certain nonimmigrant student visas (“F-1” visas) must attend most classes in person. This exemption was in response to the Covid pandemic and the fact that colleges and universities replaced in-person classes with on-line classes during the spring term. The exemption stated that students holding F-1 visas could attend remote classes while retaining their visa status. Furthermore the US government stated that the exemption would remain “in effect for the duration of the emergency."

The lawsuits are not seeking to change the preexisting rules for F-1 visas, they are arguing that the exemption should remain in effect until the Covid emergency is over (it isn't, of course). Harvard and MIT point out that they and other universities across the country made plans for the upcoming academic year relying on the exemption remaining in place, especially given the current state of the virus in the US. Lifting the exemption at this late date, they argue, has thrown universities and foreign students in to chaos.

 

[Papa33]

My wife, before retiring, was an immigration attorney in CT. She wonders if a student could enroll in just one class on campus and thereby avoid forced removal?

 

[UConnCat]

My wife, before retiring, was an immigration attorney in CT. She wonders if a student could enroll in just one class on campus and thereby avoid forced removal?

Here are new regulations that are currently being challenged in federal courts across the country:

1. Nonimmigrant F-1 and M-1 students attending schools operating entirely online may not take a full online course load and remain in the United States. The U.S. Department of State will not issue visas to students enrolled in schools and/or programs that are fully online for the fall semester nor will U.S. Customs and Border Protection permit these students to enter the United States. Active students currently in the United States enrolled in such programs must depart the country or take other measures, such as transferring to a school with in-person instruction to remain in lawful status. If not, they may face immigration consequences including, but not limited to, the initiation of removal proceedings.
2. Nonimmigrant F-1 students attending schools operating under normal in-person classes are bound by existing federal regulations. Eligible F students may take a maximum of one class or three credit hours online.
3. Nonimmigrant F-1 students attending schools adopting a hybrid model—that is, a mixture of online and in person classes—will be allowed to take more than one class or three credit hours online. These schools must certify to SEVP, through the Form I-20, “Certificate of Eligibility for Nonimmigrant Student Status,” certifying that the program is not entirely online, that the student is not taking an entirely online course load this semester, and that the student is taking the minimum number of online classes required to make normal progress in their degree program. The above exemptions do not apply to F-1 students in English language training programs or M-1 students pursing vocational degrees, who are not permitted to enroll in any online courses.

 

[UConnCat]

For anyone tempted to think the universities have altruistic motives in these lawsuits, take a look at the articles below and do the math. Many are, or will soon be, in big trouble financially. They've become fat on easily obtained student loan money, an explosion of revenue from grants and, for the Power 5, cash beyond their wildest dreams from TV contracts.

Since China was mentioned in the posted story, the first article below provides statistics just for students from China. The second provides data on totals of college students in various data groups, and the third provides data on average "cost of attendance" across all colleges nationwide. In 2019 there 369,000 Chinese students among the over 1,100,000 Non-Resident Alien students enrolled here.

Number of Chinese students in the U.S. 2023 | Statista

The Number of Chinese students in the U.S. has declined considerably since 2020, falling below 300,000 in 2022.

www.statista.com

Fast Facts: Back-to-school statistics (372)

The NCES Fast Facts Tool provides quick answers to many education questions (National Center for Education Statistics). Get answers on Early Childhood Education, Elementary and Secondary Education and Higher Education here.

nces.ed.gov

2023 US Colleges Average Tuition & Fees

This page shows the average tuition and other colleges costs by school types and levels for academic year 2022-2023.

blog.collegetuitioncompare.com

If you want to estimate the financial impact of the potential loss of foreign students, do the math.

Using the "average cost of attendance" ($35,000) for all students nationwide, the 369,000 Chinese that were matriculating at US colleges and universities in 2019 paid a total of $12,915,000,000 to their schools. For the math challenged, that's 12 Billion 915 Million Dollars!

If you use the same "average cost of attendance" for all 1,100,000 Non-Resident Aliens attending colleges and universities in the USofA in 2019, the revenue totalled $38,500,000,000. That's $38 Billion 500 Million.

Public College Presidents and CFO's are going to have to be creative or, if there's any money left in state treasuries, go hat in hand to their governors and legislatures for bailouts. Well endowed Private Schools like Harvard, with it's over $37,000,000,000 (37 Billion) endowment can probably skate by. Not sure what the poorly endowed private schools will be able to do.

I'm not aware of anyone who thinks or is tempted to think that the motivation behind these lawsuits doesn't include the financial self-interest of the colleges and universities. The financial implications have been well-documented. The government's motivation is not altruistic either though one could argue it should be.

The primary goal of the lawsuits right now is to get these rules enjoined. One requirement for an injunction is to show irreparable harm to the affected parties. Irreparable harm in these cases will come from the consequences of forced deportation of foreign students currently in the US. Another example of irreparable harm will be the risk of Covid infection to students, faculty, staff and the local communities if schools are forced to offer in-person classes. Monetary damages are typically not considered irreparable harm but there may be some universities who are making that claim.

 

[Kaizen]

Tech giants join fight against ICE restrictions on foreign students

In an amicus brief filed Monday, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, as well as Facebook, Google, Twitter, Salesforce, Microsoft and more, sided with Harvard and MIT in their lawsuit against the U.S. government. The suit pertains to a July 6 directive from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement that would send foreign students home if their college classes go entirely online due to COVID-19. In the suit, Harvard and MIT, which both plan to hold classes online in the fall, argue that ICE failed to consider the potentially devastating impacts of that rule.

 

[Carnac]

From what I’ve gathered, the suit is less about student athletes who are abroad and want to come back (like those that we want back), but rather kicking students out of the country who have never left because their universities aren’t offering in-person courses.

...........and can’t get back into the country when they begin.

 

[hoopsfan22]

Why do this to the foreign students if no one asked for this or wants this? Is there anyone that actually asked for this to be done?

 

[UConnCat]

Why do this to the foreign students if no one asked for this or wants this? Is there anyone that actually asked for this to be done?

The answers to your questions would cause this thread to be locked. Best to keep it about the outcome of the legal challenges and what that may mean for UConn's foreign players.

 

[chrissaran]

I don't agree with that. So kids dying of horrible diseases, getting abused any number of ways is something you have to accept if you can't effect it directly? Sorry. I will never be okay with that.

 

[Dokey]

What is the suit asking for ? I am against just letting all 600,000 foreign students in to the USA at this time.
They should all be quarantined prior to arrival.

Unfortunately, the U.S. poses more of a threat to these foreign students than they do to the U.S. Virus is out of control here, not so much in Europe, hence ban on American travel to EU.

 

[CL82]

Unfortunately, the U.S. poses more of a threat to these foreign students than they do to the U.S. Virus is out of control here, not so much in Europe, hence ban on American travel to EU.

Last column is the death rate per hundred thousand.

 

[Dokey]

Last column is the death rate per hundred thousand.
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More infected here, more deaths. If 1000 are infected and only 40 die that’s 4%. If 10,000 are infected at 4% that’s 400 deaths. That is why one fourth of all deaths worldwide are in U.S. where the infected number is growing. If living is important, you avoid those countries with more infections. The first goal is not to get infected. also those countries with a higher death rate are countries in which the most vulnerable died BEFORE they managed to control virus, so their percentage is higher because they shutdown and controlled it.

 

[CL82]

More infected here, more deaths. If 1000 are infected and only 40 die that’s 4%. If 10,000 are infected at 4% that’s 400 deaths. That is why one fourth of all deaths worldwide are in U.S. where the infected number is growing. If living is important, you avoid those countries with more infections. The first goal is not to get infected.

That assumes a few things like perfect knowledge worldwide and consistency of testing and treatment. Those things do no exist. The US is a leader in number tests and not surprisingly is also a leader in number of cases. The more you test, the more you find.

Note that final column is deaths per 100k population not deaths per 100k infected.

 

[UConnCat]

Breaking News: US Gov't withdraws new rules on F-1 visas.

 

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[Dokey]

That assumes a few things like perfect knowledge worldwide and consistency of testing and treatment. Those things do no exist. The US is a leader in number tests and not surprisingly is also a leader in number of cases. The more you test, the more you find.

Note that final column is deaths per 100k population not deaths per 100k infected.

The number of tests isn't the key, as the medical experts explain. It is the petcentage of positives. Our positives are big time, hence the seberity in U.S. The greater nimber of trsts is a smokescreen. Don't fall for this.

 

[UConnCat]

 

[CL82]

The number of tests isn't the key, as the medical experts explain. It is the petcentage of positives. Our positives are big time, hence the seberity in U.S. The greater nimber of trsts is a smokescreen. Don't fall for this.

Depends on your figures and who are testing and what metric you are using right? If you are talking the raw number of infected, then yes the number of test actually matters. If you taking the % or infected to number of people tested then ,if the tests are random, I agree. If the tests are only people who seek them out or get them pursuant to doctors orders then the class of people being tested isn't representative of the population.

There have been some really good and detailed post on this subject.

 

[Fairfield Fan]

I am 78 years old and have been through many virus and medical problems attacking the United States and the world. Just be patient and we will survive sooner than later.

Not a virus like this one. Nearly 140,000 dead so far. And the disease is only getting started in many of the country's biggest states.

Not a virus like this one. We need massive mobilization, not complacency.

 

[veryolddog]

Pontificators and experts about this virus aside, does anyone have the current knowledge of the set of rules that will allow Anna and Nikka the flexibility to come to the University to practice as a team, take classes and get ready for basketball? Does anyone know if this is in progress and that the young women are preparing to return? Does anyone know when and if basketball practice is scheduled to restart per Geno? Does anyone have any concrete knowledge if and when the Big East will have basketball and when it will start?

My 10 month old German Shepherd Puppy, Max, is tired of hearing your EXPERT opinions on this virus and just wants to go out and play with the horses.

 

[Argonaut]

After participating in national team activities, Anna’s now keeping herself busy as a basketball camp counselor.

 

[eebmg]

After participating in national team activities, Anna’s now keeping herself busy as a basketball camp counselor.

our European recruiter.

 

[Dokey]

our European recruiter.

Start with her sister.

 

[Zinethar]

Aren't student visas good for 4 or 5 years? It is my understanding then tht Anna already has a visa and would not be blocked entry (but likely have to quarantine on entry. Nika is a more serious problem as she has yet to get a visa. I'm not sure how Canadian students are classified but I would think that would be less of a problem.