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Butch said:
If all that happens, we'd be stuck in another dumpster fire. ND might have to step up and become a full member to persuade other members to stay.
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Don't disagree. Conn/ND/Cuse/Pitt/bcu/Duke/Wake/Miami would be forced to take up the NBE gameplan of sifting through the leftovers for replacements....
 
dumpster fire = bc, cuse, pitt, wake, duke, miami, temple, usf, ucf.... this is also known as the acc in 2015.
 
uconNYC said:
Understood. But do you feel Delaney or the B1G presidents are actually thinking this strategically? I just don't see them saying to themselves - "ND has gone to the ACC, now we need to react". If MD to the B1G is happening, I presume it was probably MD who approached them (because of the financial mess MD athletics is in right now) and the B1G felt that it was worth a shot.
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Yes, absolutely, I do.
 
coachcap said:
prestige, allegience, etc. Secondly, cable stations not carrying the B1G network will be forced to add it in B1G home territory, & not for 10 cent carraige fee per subscriber, the home territory going rate ($ 1.10?).
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There are plenty of home territory regions in which the cable stations are not charged the high Big 10 fee. Philly is one such example.
 
Chuck said:
I think it's a number of things that get us in the conversation to be picked, but we don't have enough to get the final nod. We're a bit isolated in New England so we're not a natural extension for the B1G or Big 12. Even in the ACC the only contiguous state would be MA and BC doesn't want us there..
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Well other than New York...
 
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This rumor doesn't make any sense. If the Big 10 was going to add schools, UNC and UVa would be the first calls, not Maryland. Although, the Big 10 did add Nebraska which doesn't make any sense from a markets perspective, and Maryland is a wealthy state with no other major university in the state and is contiguous to Big 10 country.

The timing is more puzzling. This should have happened months ago. ESPN was rumored to be offering the ACC and Big 12 more money per team if they would raid the Big East again, so approaching the Big 10 with the same deal is not out of the question, even if the Big 10 offer would just start tipping dominoes. But you would have expected something to happen before the Big East exclusive expired because the Big 10 isn't going to move quickly, and if the TV money is big enough the Big East schools are probably going to sign a Grant of Rights. The Big 10, on the other hand, seems to be moving towards taking their TV in house, but that won't happen for years and their ESPN deal isn't up until 2016, so why would they move now to add schools?

Rutgers, as usual, is part of the conversation, but the Big 10 has looked at Rutgers and passed on at least one occasion. What has caused anything to change, and why now?

Yet there are three separate sources that all are reporting this, and blowing this rumor for a semi-credible news organization, which team fan sites are, will have long legs. Chip Brown is a laughingstock in the digital media world and will be for a long time for his reporting during the Big 12 realignment. So these three sites/radio stations must have a credible source for this rumor, or they wouldn't be running with it. Except the rumor doesn't make sense.

Which brings me to a theory. The one guy that benefits the most from the leak of this sketchy rumor at this time, and would have the ability to get some news organizations to pick the rumor up, is Mike Aresco. If he is leaning on NBC to put a big number on the table and move quickly, leaking a rumor which, if true, would result in the end of the Big East, might light a fire under NBC. As long as the rumor isn't traced back to Aresco, there are no consequences for him when it turns out to be BS. But if he is trying to force NBC's hand, he would let them know that the league is willing to lock up if the number is big enough, but NBC has to come strong and quick.

Most likely this whole thing is just a prank someone is running to see if they can get a rumor reported as news. But maybe the rumor was started for reasons other than entertainment of the person starting the rumor. The rumor doesn't make sense to me so I don't think it is real, and I don't think a radio station and two Internet sites are conspiring to drive page hits. I think those different media outlets really believe this, which means someone credible told them it was going to happen.

I don't have a good explanation for this rumor, so this is as good as any.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
This rumor doesn't make any sense. If the Big 10 was going to add schools, UNC and UVa would be the first calls, not Maryland. Although, the Big 10 did add Nebraska which doesn't make any sense from a markets perspective, and Maryland is a wealthy state with no other major university in the state and is contiguous to Big 10 country.

The timing is more puzzling. This should have happened months ago. ESPN was rumored to be offering the ACC and Big 12 more money per team if they would raid the Big East again, so approaching the Big 10 with the same deal is not out of the question, even if the Big 10 offer would just start tipping dominoes. But you would have expected something to happen before the Big East exclusive expired because the Big 10 isn't going to move quickly, and if the TV money is big enough the Big East schools are probably going to sign a Grant of Rights. The Big 10, on the other hand, seems to be moving towards taking their TV in house, but that won't happen for years and their ESPN deal isn't up until 2016, so why would they move now to add schools?

Rutgers, as usual, is part of the conversation, but the Big 10 has looked at Rutgers and passed on at least one occasion. What has caused anything to change, and why now?

Yet there are three separate sources that all are reporting this, and blowing this rumor for a semi-credible news organization, which team fan sites are, will have long legs. Chip Brown is a laughingstock in the digital media world and will be for a long time for his reporting during the Big 12 realignment. So these three sites/radio stations must have a credible source for this rumor, or they wouldn't be running with it. Except the rumor doesn't make sense.

Which brings me to a theory. The one guy that benefits the most from the leak of this sketchy rumor at this time, and would have the ability to get some news organizations to pick the rumor up, is Mike Aresco. If he is leaning on NBC to put a big number on the table and move quickly, leaking a rumor which, if true, would result in the end of the Big East, might light a fire under NBC. As long as the rumor isn't traced back to Aresco, there are no consequences for him when it turns out to be BS. But if he is trying to force NBC's hand, he would let them know that the league is willing to lock up if the number is big enough, but NBC has to come strong and quick.

Most likely this whole thing is just a prank someone is running to see if they can get a rumor reported as news. But maybe the rumor was started for reasons other than entertainment of the person starting the rumor. The rumor doesn't make sense to me so I don't think it is real, and I don't think a radio station and two Internet sites are conspiring to drive page hits. I think those different media outlets really believe this, which means someone credible told them it was going to happen.

I don't have a good explanation for this rumor, so this is as good as any.
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I don't really buy your theory (if Aresco gets traced to the rumor, he loses ALL credibility and respect from his peers) but the bolded paragraph is spot on. I agree 100%. Scott Van Pelt in particular has little to gain from spreading a rumor like this, nor is he the type to pass along faulty information. Despite this, he was one of t he first to report UMD to the Big 10 as a possibility.
 
It would make zero sense for Aresco to start this rumor. If there is a belief (regardless of the actual outcome) that more expansion among the true major conferences is happening, the BE as a whole will be hurt the most. As we are attempting to get a new television contract, our perceived value drops if the common belief is that we will lose a couple of our most valuable members.
 
uconNYC said:
I'm sorry, but there is no conference commissioner or college president sitting in their office concocting such scenarios/conspiracies.

The only reason the B1G would want to add Maryland is because they see value in the addition (i.e. rival for PSU, media rights and coverage in the Baltimore-DC market, tie-up with UnderArmour, etc.). Non of this BS destabilizing the ACC business. I feel adding Maryland and Rutgers makes lots of sense for them. It gives them a solid presence from DC to NYC.

The more conference movement the more chance UConn lands in one of the "Big 5" conferences - so I really hope this happens.
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It has nothing to do with conspiracies. And you don't think people are predisposed to finding ways of getting what they want? It' has nothing to do with "conspiracies." It has everything to do with planning for getting something of value. The Big Ten has been basing their moves all along on the landscape and what's best for their league. That's exactly what they're doing now. If they have to think 2-3 steps ahead, they'll do so. That's simply common sense. It's not a conspiracy.
 
CL82 said:
Well other than New York...
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You're absolutely right. I truly forgot. I guess I don't consider Syracuse to be part of the same "New York" that is close to UConn. They are New York's Team though (according to them).
 
nelsonmuntz said:
This rumor doesn't make any sense. If the Big 10 was going to add schools, UNC and UVa would be the first calls, not Maryland.
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No, they would not. Both schools have baggage, read: other state schools. If they try for UVA, VA Tech puts up a stink, and the move gets stuck in VA legislature when VT alum lawmakers try to lobby for VT to go with them. If they try for UNC, the move gets stuck with NCSU people who want to come as well, in addition to the faction of UNC people who wouldn't want to leave Duke behind. There likely would be lawsuits, lengthy legislature battles and all sorts of red tape. MD has none of these problems, and has a filthy rich donor a la Phil Knight ready to pump money into the school.
 
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Agreed. Seems highly unlikely that UNC would ever leave the ACC.

I dont think VA is tied nearly as tightly, but MD fits closer to B10 footprint.
 
I don't see how Aresco spreading MD rumors helps up the price for NBC, but maybe someone can explain it to me... Though I would say it probably isn't that hard to start this kind of rumor in a way that wouldn't be traceable directly to his doorstep. There might not be quite the market for a Big East TV contract that we wish there was, but there's still a bull market for rumors!
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I don't have a good explanation for this rumor, so this is as good as any.
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It's almost as if your "ESPN is deliberately destroying the Big East from behind the scenes" argument is proven, for the 10th time, to be entirely without merit. If Aresco floated this, it would lead to the unquestionable weakening of the Big East, thereby weakening the Big East's negotiating hand. It would be the worst, dumbest thing he could possibly do.

Keep searching for that imaginary brass ring!
 
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Let's just get this done already. I can't tell you how insulting it is to see schools who haven't accomplished a fraction of what we have athletically be considered to be of "higher value".
 
Rutgers is the perfect patsy. It gets the Big10 television sets (for subscription purposes) without risking any losses for the traditional teams. Marriage made in heaven.
 
RMoore1999 said:
Yes, but since its an ESPN report, it's obviously spin designed to devalue the NBE tv rights....
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I'm not sure I understand what you are saying, but if you think that the loss of Rutgers won't devalue the NBE tv rights, then I'm not sure what to tell you. If this thing is for real about Maryland to the Big10, then the Big East comes out a loser again in the realignment musical chairs...
 
UConnDan97 said:
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying, but if you think that the loss of Rutgers won't devalue the NBE tv rights, then I'm not sure what to tell you. If this thing is for real about Maryland to the Big10, then the Big East comes out a loser again in the realignment musical chairs...
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Good lord get a grip, he was being sarcastic. And people like you and Nelson should stop pretending remaining in the BE remains a viable option for anyone.

Now is the time to promise Swofford anything for Maryland's spot. And I mean anything. Favors both legal and illegal will suffice.
 
UConnDan97 said:
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying, but if you think that the loss of Rutgers won't devalue the NBE tv rights, then I'm not sure what to tell you. If this thing is for real about Maryland to the Big10, then the Big East comes out a loser again in the realignment musical chairs...
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I was gently mocking those who beleive everything is a ESPN conspiracy. If this happens, it's good for UConn. The worst outcome for UConn is remaining in the big least.
 
RMoore1999 said:
I was gently mocking those who beleive everything is a ESPN conspiracy. If this happens, it's good for UConn. The worst outcome for UConn is remaining in the big least.
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The worst outcome is UConn remaining in the Big East without a tri-state partner, prior to arriving at a tv contract. You don't think that's bad???
 
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UConnDan97 said:
The worst outcome is UConn remaining in the Big East without a tri-state partner, prior to arriving at a tv contract. You don't think that's bad???
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You really need to step away from the keyboard. This is the 2nd time in this thread you misread what RMoore was saying.

This is good because if MD leaves, than the ACC has an open spot. If no one leaves UConn is stuck in the BEast.
 
ASweet3781 said:
You really need to step away from the keyboard. This is the 2nd time in this thread you misread what RMoore was saying.

This is good because if MD leaves, than the ACC has an open spot. If no one leaves UConn is stuck in the BEast.
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If I've misread what RMoore has typed, he will be free to correct me. You can step away from your own keyboard. You'll need to do so anyways, since you are getting ready to fire UConn's administration for not getting us into the ACC...
 
UConnDan97 said:
If I've misread what RMoore has typed, he will be free to correct me. You can step away from your own keyboard. You'll need to do so anyways, since you are getting ready to fire UConn's administration for not getting us into the ACC...
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Yeah let's reward UConn's administration for failing to protect the school's cash cow! Hooray for failure!
 
UConnDan97 said:
If I've misread what RMoore has typed, he will be free to correct me. You can step away from your own keyboard. You'll need to do so anyways, since you are getting ready to fire UConn's administration for not getting us into the ACC...
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I think UConn athletics is by far better off in an ACC with flst/vtch/Clem/Miam/gtch/unc/duke/cuse/Pitt/Nd/bcu with a contract bowl bid in Miami and an espn contract than we would be if relegated to any connoction of the "group of little 5" NBE on nbcsports at 60% of the ACC tv contact with bad to decent football brands that share no regional connection. I get that swofford raided the big east in 2004. That sucked. but uts almost 2013. We need to Get over it. The NBE will turn UConn to UMass.
 
RMoore the only problem with your post is that it contains relevant facts and reasoned analysis, instead of gut feeling and raw emotion!
 
RMoore1999 said:
I think UConn athletics is by far better off in an ACC with flst/vtch/Clem/Miam/gtch/unc/duke/cuse/Pitt/Nd/bcu with a contract bowl bid in Miami and an espn contract than we would be if relegated to any connoction of the "group of little 5" NBE on nbcsports at 60% of the ACC tv contact with bad to decent football brands that share no regional connection. I get that swofford raided the big east in 2004. That sucked. but uts almost 2013. We need to Get over it. The NBE will turn UConn to UMass.
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I don't think there are many here who would argue with you. I'm certainly not one of them. What I was arguing was the idea that it is all the administration's fault, which in my opinion, is a preposterous stance to take...
 
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