Pete Carroll

[Jimmy Serrano]

pac-man jones didn't win the walter peyton award this year?

No but sources say that Chris Henry is up for the award posthumously next year.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

"It's not the right matchup for us to run the football," he said, "so on second down we were throwing the ball really to kind of waste that play."

- Pete Carroll, February 1, 2015

I'd fire him today.

 

[noeynox]

I still can't believe the Pats pulled this one out...the trophy is coming back to Foxborough!

As an aside, in my 24 years on this earth, I can't believe the success of my favorite sports teams. I've seen the Red Sox win three World Series, the Patriots win four Super Bowls, UConn Basketball with four national titles (countless Big East championships), Liverpool winning the UCL in 2005 and the Celtics winning the NBA Finals in 2008.

Congrats on being the ultimate front runner!!!

I'm a UConn, Pats and Mets fan. At least I have the Mets to to show I'm not a front runner and UConn football of course.

 

[noeynox]

"It's not the right matchup for us to run the football," he said, "so on second down we were throwing the ball really to kind of waste that play."

- Pete Carroll, February 1, 2015

I'd fire him today.

You'd fire him after being so close to repeat? I think you're kidding. It was a horrible call, but he has transformed the Sea Hawks into the franchise in the NFL, but I'm telling you anyone who was Pats fan when he was there will tell you, Carroll had a lot of those moments where he would get too cute with the play call. That is what happened last night. Almost like he wanted the reaction to be "could you believe the brilliant play call to win the game, the Pats were in goal line and when no one expected him to throw it, they did."

I'm curious to see if the hawks have any hangover going into next year. That was a kick in the nuts like UConn fans expect in conference realignment news.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

You'd fire him after being so close to repeat? I think you're kidding. It was a horrible call, but he has transformed the Sea Hawks into the franchise in the NFL, but I'm telling you anyone who was Pats fan when he was there will tell you, Carroll had a lot of those moments where he would get too cute with the play call. That is what happened last night. Almost like he wanted the reaction to be "could you believe the brilliant play call to win the game, the Pats were in goal line and when no one expected him to throw it, they did."

I'm curious to see if the hawks have any hangover going into next year. That was a kick in the nuts like UConn fans expect in conference realignment news.

Fire him, no. I might ask he undergo a pysch eval though.

 

[1999.2004.2011]

Congrats on being the ultimate front runner!!!

I'm a UConn, Pats and Mets fan. At least I have the Mets to to show I'm not a front runner and UConn football of course.

Front runner? I'm a Boston sports fan and a UConn alum...Can't call anyone who roots for UConn football a frontrunner

 

[DarthGrumpy]

I can't stand Seattle because I ma a Niners fan I believe Pete Carroll is a coward and a scumbag for leaving USC like he did. I can't stand the Pats because of their obnoxious Boston fans, the way Kraft screwed 0ver Connecticut, how Belichick believes that he is above the (NFL) law and is generally an ase and, of course, Tom Brady's hair and ability to whine every time somebody hits him.

That said, the game was a sleeper until the end of the 2nd quarter when the Seahawks gambled and went for the touchdown with 6 seconds left in the half to turn it around. They then owned the 3rd quarter before the Pats took over the 4th quarters. Very well played game by both teams. A couple of questionable calls; but, they went both ways and did decide the game (finally). The game should have gone down as yet another SB loss by the Pats after yet another insane/lucky catch by the opposing team. Instead, Peter Carroll tries to show the world how good of a coach he is and instead coaches himself out of a very likely victory. Hard to believe the OC made that call without input from Carroll. The Seahawks have a power running back who is one of the best in the league, is very hard to bring down (one on one, looked like only Vince Wilfrork could take him to the turf out of the Pats's front 7), and already had 100+ yards in the game. Not using him on 2nd and goal from the 1 is inexcusable. Throwing a quick slant in the box when it is obvious the other team will have 11 players in the same box is a sin. Can't blame Wilson as he threw the ball as well as he could. Just too much traffic. If the Seahawks wanted to get cute on 2nd down, should have rolled Wilson out to the right to spread the Past defense with the option of running it in himself or throwing to the back corner to their TE or WR, or if both options were covered, throw it way out of bounds in the back of the end zone.

By the way, made no difference; but, how did the refs not toss Gronkowski & several other players out of the game during the scrum as Gronk was throwing haymakers left and right. I thought throwing punches is an automatic ejection?

 

[DarthGrumpy]

You'd fire him after being so close to repeat? I think you're kidding. It was a horrible call, but he has transformed the Sea Hawks into the franchise in the NFL, but I'm telling you anyone who was Pats fan when he was there will tell you, Carroll had a lot of those moments where he would get too cute with the play call. That is what happened last night. Almost like he wanted the reaction to be "could you believe the brilliant play call to win the game, the Pats were in goal line and when no one expected him to throw it, they did."

Harbaugh did the same thing during the Niners Super Bowl with the Ravens in 2013. Don't remember the exact details as I had several drinks during the game and several shots after the game; but, they had the ball late in the 4th quarter and failed to get it into the endzone from inside the 5 with 3 straight incomplete passes (disregarding the potential PI on the last pass) while Frank Gore, another top 5 NFL running back, hung around in the backfield licking his chops after pushing around the Ravens defensive front 7 for 110 yards prior to that series.

 

[noeynox]

Front runner? I'm a Boston sports fan and a UConn alum...Can't call anyone who roots for UConn football a frontrunner

Just messing.

 

[ZooCougar]

Pete Carroll is a genius who just happens to make some really terrible decisions at the worst possible moments.

 

[coachcap]

I equate that call with Lindsay Jacobellis's showboat move in the Olympics that cost her the gold medal. Just damned stupid!

 

[UCFBfan]

I seriously have to wonder if the players really wanna play for him or if this carries over for awhile. I've read now that the players were openly ripping that call in the locker room after the game. I know it's the emotions of the moment but it's still gonna linger. One other thing, I'd be shocked to see Lynch re up with Seattle now.

 

[J187Money]

I still can't believe the Pats pulled this one out...the trophy is coming back to Foxborough! As an aside, in my 24 years on this earth, I can't believe the success of my favorite sports teams. I've seen the Red Sox win three World Series, the Patriots win four Super Bowls, UConn Basketball with four national titles (countless Big East championships), Liverpool winning the UCL in 2005 and the Celtics winning the NBA Finals in 2008.

 

[PUPPY4]

TWEEET!!! pass interference def!!
Why didn't the ref under the goal post throw his flag?
Clearly the def made contact with the receiver before touching the ball.
Seeing the receivers feet leave the ground should have drawn the flag, or was it the greatest flop ever!
Isn't knocking a receiver off his route/running through a receiver, or making contact before the ball arrives a penalty?
If a flag was thrown the officials could have been able to talk it over, look at the tape and get it right.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

TWEEET!!! pass interference def!!
Why didn't the ref under the goal post throw his flag?
Clearly the def made contact with the receiver before touching the ball.
Seeing the receivers feet leave the ground should have drawn the flag, or was it the greatest flop ever!
Isn't knocking a receiver off his route/running through a receiver, or making contact before the ball arrives a penalty?
If a flag was thrown the officials could have been able to talk it over, look at the tape and get it right.

You're saying the INT was pass interference? The DB jumped the route and has as much right to the ball as the WR. That was textbook defense in my opinion. Not close to a flag.

 

[Husky25]

TWEEET!!! pass interference def!!
Why didn't the ref under the goal post throw his flag?
Clearly the def made contact with the receiver before touching the ball.
Seeing the receivers feet leave the ground should have drawn the flag, or was it the greatest flop ever!
Isn't knocking a receiver off his route/running through a receiver, or making contact before the ball arrives a penalty?
If a flag was thrown the officials could have been able to talk it over, look at the tape and get it right.

You're saying the INT was pass interference? The DB jumped the route and has as much right to the ball as the WR. That was textbook defense in my opinion. Not close to a flag.

Was also within 5 yards of the LOS.

 

[Carl Spackler]

TWEEET!!! pass interference def!!
Why didn't the ref under the goal post throw his flag?
Clearly the def made contact with the receiver before touching the ball.
Seeing the receivers feet leave the ground should have drawn the flag, or was it the greatest flop ever!
Isn't knocking a receiver off his route/running through a receiver, or making contact before the ball arrives a penalty?
If a flag was thrown the officials could have been able to talk it over, look at the tape and get it right.

The refs put away the flags for the defensive secondary in this game, for both sides. IMNSHO, it was a marked difference from the regular season, and going back to pre-season. Remember all the crap about the contact downfield? This is something that somebody astute will eventually write about - not sure why they did that in the biggest game on the largest stage, but they did. They were consistent, throughout the game. There were several plays that should have drawn flags downfield with contact throughout the game, and would have during the regular season.

The INT at the goal line? Borderline, and I think good argument if the flags had been thrown earlier in the game, but the way it played out - no reason to throw the flag there.

The thing about the play call, is that if it works - it's a genius call, given that everybody would have been expecting the run play. If the run play is called and it fails - it's a terrible call, because everyone on the defense knew the run was coming.

I have a lot more fault with the QB, than I do the play call on that INT.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't as a play caller. Got to have thick skin, and big balls.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

The refs put away the flags for the defensive secondary in this game, for both sides. IMNSHO, it was a marked difference from the regular season, and going back to pre-season. Remember all the crap about the contact downfield? This is something that somebody astute will eventually write about - not sure why they did that in the biggest game on the largest stage, but they did. They were consistent, throughout the game. There were several plays that should have drawn flags downfield with contact throughout the game, and would have during the regular season.

The INT at the goal line? Borderline, and I think good argument if the flags had been thrown earlier in the game, but the way it played out - no reason to throw the flag there.

The thing about the play call, is that if it works - it's a genius call, given that everybody would have been expecting the run play. If the run play is called and it fails - it's a terrible call, because everyone on the defense knew the run was coming.

I have a lot more fault with the QB, than I do the play call on that INT.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't as a play caller. Got to have thick skin, and big balls.

That would've been the worst call in the history of football if they threw a flag on the INT. The defender beat the WR to the spot and made a play on the ball. That was textbook defense. It's taught that way.

Husky25, I don't think that it matters that it was within 5 yards of the LOS.

 

[Carl Spackler]

That would've been the worst call in the history of football if they threw a flag on the INT. The defender beat the WR to the spot and made a play on the ball. That was textbook defense. It's taught that way.

Husky25, I don't think that it matters that it was within 5 yards of the LOS.

Butler got lucky on terrible read and throw by a short QB. My guess is that Wilson didn't even see Butler pre snap, because he threw the ball like he didn't see him. He led with the throw. If he throws accurately low and back hip, it's a catchable with the coverage and a TD if caught, with the DB draped all over him - and still a questionable flag. The ball placement is what made the INT possible - the contact is questionable and judgement call.

As for the play call itself - what I wrote before stands. It's only a dumb call, because it didn't work.

 

[ZooCougar]

Butler got lucky on terrible read and throw by a short QB. My guess is that Wilson didn't even see Butler pre snap, because he threw the ball like he didn't see him. He led with the throw. If he throws accurately low and back hip, it's a catchable with the coverage and a TD if caught, with the DB draped all over him - and still a questionable flag. The ball placement is what made the INT possible - the contact is questionable and judgement call.

As for the play call itself - what I wrote before stands. It's only a dumb call, because it didn't work.

Luck is the collision of opportunity and preparation.

 

[Husky25]

That would've been the worst call in the history of football if they threw a flag on the INT. The defender beat the WR to the spot and made a play on the ball. That was textbook defense. It's taught that way.

Husky25, I don't think that it matters that it was within 5 yards of the LOS.

I don't want to say you are right (about the 5 yard thing) because I could find anything to the contrary, but I will agree with you on your post.

Actions that do not constitute pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Incidental contact by a defender’s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball, or neither player is looking for the ball. If there is any question whether contact is incidental, the ruling shall be no interference.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

I don't want to say you are right (about the 5 yard thing) because I could find anything to the contrary, but I will agree with you on your post.

Actions that do not constitute pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Incidental contact by a defender’s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball, or neither player is looking for the ball. If there is any question whether contact is incidental, the ruling shall be no interference.

I think this point more accurately reflects the INT:

(e) Contact by a defender who has gained position on a receiver in an attempt to catch the ball.

As for the 5 yards:

Note 4: There can be no pass interference at or behind the line of scrimmage, but defensive actions such as tackling a receiver can still result in a 5-yard penalty for defensive holding, if accepted.

 

[Husky25]

Butler got lucky on terrible read and throw by a short QB. My guess is that Wilson didn't even see Butler pre snap, because he threw the ball like he didn't see him. He led with the throw. If he throws accurately low and back hip, it's a catchable with the coverage and a TD if caught, with the DB draped all over him - and still a questionable flag. The ball placement is what made the INT possible - the contact is questionable and judgement call.

As for the play call itself - what I wrote before stands. It's only a dumb call, because it didn't work.

The Patriots had 3 Cornerbacks (Revis, Browner, and Butler), 3 linebackers, and 4 linemen on the field to match the Seahawks' personnel. It's a goal line defense geared for the pass. It was a dumb call because it was a dumb call. Being poorly executed doesn't mean it was any more or less a dumb call.

 

[Husky25]

I think this point more accurately reflects the INT:

(e) Contact by a defender who has gained position on a receiver in an attempt to catch the ball.

As for the 5 yards:

Note 4: There can be no pass interference at or behind the line of scrimmage, but defensive actions such as tackling a receiver can still result in a 5-yard penalty for defensive holding, if accepted.

Glad you didn't let anyone drive you away from the Boneyard. That said, I do not admit I am wrong.

 

[PUPPY4]

You're saying the INT was pass interference? The DB jumped the route and has as much right to the ball as the WR. That was textbook defense in my opinion. Not close to a flag.

That was the discussion had, and it's right on the border.
I think a flag should have been thrown, I see the defender knock the receiver down and catch the ball.

 

[PUPPY4]

You're saying the INT was pass interference? The DB jumped the route and has as much right to the ball as the WR. That was textbook defense in my opinion. Not close to a flag.

That was the discussion had, and it's right on the border.
I think a flag should have been thrown, I see the defender knock the receiver down and catch the ball.

 

[Carl Spackler]

The Patriots had 3 Cornerbacks (Revis, Browner, and Butler), 3 linebackers, and 4 linemen on the field to match the Seahawks' personnel. It's a goal line defense geared for the pass. It was a dumb call because it was a dumb call. Being poorly executed doesn't mean it was any more or less a dumb call.

LOL. That play call was probably made well before the New England defense assembled on the field for that play, and I don't remember without looking if they had the same personnel on the field play prior. The patriots are nothing if not well prepared, and they knew Seattle's goal line tendencies, and your point, just makes my opinion that Wilson screwed this up more than anything. If it was as obvious as you say, the QB should have recognized it, and either checked out of it, or called a TO.

No - I will not ever waiver on this. Play calling is important, but it's overrated I think. It's a bad play call, only because it didn't work. Teaching players how to the play game is more important than making play calls. Success on the field, always comes down to players making the plays, Randy Edsall execution of technique and positioning and physical performance is always the best. The mental part of it comes before in preparation. This INT is on Wilson IMO. Terrible, terrible. Throw the ball where only your guy can get it, or throw it out the back of the endzone over one of your guys heads. Especially if you recognize the D is set up for it.

The art of play calling can change momentum, and capitalize on things in your game plan, and has to do with play caller's skill and ability to recognize trends as their happening real time, and think ahead. playing chess. Predicting and an all moves and making your own moves within your designed game plan. We've lacked this at UCONN for a long time. I hope that Diaco brings somebody good in, that can do it, and develop and prepare an entire offensive unit to have good offensive game plans, and run them. It all starts at the offensive line.

 

[Husky25]

LOL. That play call was probably made well before the New England defense assembled on the field for that play, and I don't remember without looking if they had the same personnel on the field play prior. The patriots are nothing if not well prepared, and they knew Seattle's goal line tendencies, and your point, just makes my opinion that Wilson screwed this up more than anything. If it was as obvious as you say, the QB should have recognized it, and either checked out of it, or called a TO.

No - I will not ever waiver on this. Play calling is important, but it's overrated I think. It's a bad play call, only because it didn't work. Teaching players how to the play game is more important than making play calls. Success on the field, always comes down to players making the plays, Randy Edsall execution of technique and positioning and physical performance is always the best. The mental part of it comes before in preparation. This INT is on Wilson IMO. Terrible, terrible. Throw the ball where only your guy can get it, or throw it out the back of the endzone over one of your guys heads. Especially if you recognize the D is set up for it.

The art of play calling can change momentum, and capitalize on things in your game plan, and has to do with play caller's skill and ability to recognize trends as their happening real time, and think ahead. playing chess. Predicting and an all moves and making your own moves within your designed game plan. We've lacked this at UCONN for a long time. I hope that Diaco brings somebody good in, that can do it, and develop and prepare an entire offensive unit to have good offensive game plans, and run them. It all starts at the offensive line.

All due respect, Carl, but I feel you are all over the place here. The INT is absolutely on Wilson. I doubt that either Carroll or Bevell told Wilson to throw a pick on the goal line, down 4 with 0:25 left in the Super Bowl. . The play was executed poorly.

Be that as it may, the call was colossally dumb too. Don't confuse this call with the "gutsy" Saints' onside kick. They had time to overcome any potential negative impact. I think the Seahawks were expecting the Patriots to call timeout and stop the clock for them. The Patriots did not and the Seahawks called the pass. The play was obviously supposed to result in a TD, but in would stop the clock a preserve their own TO in the event it fell incomplete.

Be THAT as it may, you don't call a pass play on the 1/2 yard line when the Patriots had already demonstrated they could not contain Beast Mode.

 

[Carl Spackler]

All due respect, Carl, but I feel you are all over the place here. The INT is absolutely on Wilson. I doubt that either Carroll or Bevell told Wilson to throw a pick on the goal line, down 4 with 0:25 left in the Super Bowl. . The play was executed poorly.

Be that as it may, the call was colossally dumb too. Don't confuse this call with the "gutsy" Saints' onside kick. They had time to overcome any potential negative impact. I think the Seahawks were expecting the Patriots to call timeout and stop the clock for them. The Patriots did not and the Seahawks called the pass. The play was obviously supposed to result in a TD, but in would stop the clock a preserve their own TO in the event it fell incomplete.

Be THAT as it may, you don't call a pass play on the 1/2 yard line when the Patriots had already demonstrated they could not contain Beast Mode.

I am all over the place. Tried to condense some big thoughts into a little paragraph. Doesn't work well for me.

Bottom line is that play calling itself IMNSHO is overrated. The great play callers, are great chess players, because they can see the entire field and 22 moving parts and put all the possibilities together and see things moving ahead in their minds. What made this play call seem so important was the game clock, not the situation on the field. The reality is that it was a bad play call, only because it didn't work. There are no such thing as bad play calls that work out.

If Cris Collinsworth doesn't blab over and over to billions of people that he thinks it's a bad call, it's also not so important. It was just bad, bad all around play by the QB Wilson, and a great play by the DB. I still think the guy came up to the LOS and didn't even see Butler. He threw that ball like he thought his receiver was going to be alone on the slant.

Great players make great plays. (plural) Wilson has made many great plays, Butler hasn't. It was the situation that magnifies it.

Just think about it. Imagine they come out with a power run formation, and NE calls TO and matches up, and they run it anyway and it gets stopped? Terrible play call.

It was a pass play against a pass defense, and the DB made the better play than the QB. Period. QB should have checked out or called TO, or a coach called TO - if you have a problem with the situation matchups. Otherwise it's run the play and the best players win.

Football at it's best IMO.

 

[StoweD210]

TWEEET!!! pass interference def!!
Why didn't the ref under the goal post throw his flag?
Clearly the def made contact with the receiver before touching the ball.
Seeing the receivers feet leave the ground should have drawn the flag, or was it the greatest flop ever!
Isn't knocking a receiver off his route/running through a receiver, or making contact before the ball arrives a penalty?
If a flag was thrown the officials could have been able to talk it over, look at the tape and get it right.

I've been waiting for someone to make this claim.

I was looking for a laugh and you provided it, so Thank You.