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DobbsRover2 said:
Um, so where did the top seed play last year? You mean they couldn't find any place closer than Lincoln for the Huskies to go to?

The Committee sticks to a rule one year, and half the fans cry it's an atrocity because the brackets aren't balanced. So then they say that well maybe the complainers have a point and next year we'll try to balance the brackets, so then the gripers are out complaining that the teams aren't going to the nearest site, and screw the competitiveness level.
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Not accurate. The G-curve, or siting teams by nearness to the regions has been a consistent principle for at least 15 years, with the exception of last year when there were no regional sites. Remember, they put the S16 and E8 up for bid. Or do you think South Bend, Louisville, Lincoln and Stanford represented the 4 regions of the country. For the last 10 years predicting the regional assignment of the top 8 teams was simple as long as you knew their rankings. Until this year.

And as long as I'm being conspiratorial, here's a beaut. ESPN had Tenn in Albany until last week, when suddenly Creme had them in Spokane. ESPN suddenly started talking about how a Tenn-UConn rivalry was old news. The phrase used by Lobo was something like "that train left the station". My thinking is that that was a pile of BS. ESPN knows damn well that a Tenn-UConn game would be the biggest game around, but they know it would be a mismatch this year and if UConn blew the LV's out by 30+ the luster of the rivalry would disappear. But next year, when ESPN darling Diamond is playing, they can hype a game to the hilt. So ESPN made it clear to the NCAA, to whom they pay billions for basketball rights, that it would be better if they didn't send the LV's where the G-curve dictated they go.

Just my opinion of course.
 
while all of the above may sound unfair or too interesting, to me the biggest shocker was in the Men's bracket, keeping Duke a #1 after not even making the finals of the ACC tournament. AZ should have been one in the West and Wisconsin in Duke's region. That is bizarre. I guess for all these the real question is whether a little disappointment motivates you enough to go out and work even harder.
 
Buzzyboy said:
Sometimes things need to be said and hopefully, the more outrage the better. Maybe something positive would come from it. There does seem to be ridiculous decisions that conspire to eliminate men basketball coaches by letting them eliminate each other, thus making the latter rounds primarily entirely female with only Geno maybe surviving. As has been mentioned, USF being in the same bracket as UConn despite the fact that they've played three times (and been the most competitive team UConn has played)????? On so many levels, that's totally idiotic. To not mention it would do a disservice to fair play and balance and LOGIC. I would take the whole committee and ban them from ever stepping on a basketball court again and only allow them to watch a women's college basketball again if they get a waiver from Geno.
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OMG so how many female coaches are in the men's game in total? Really this is ludicrous.
 
yes we all know that ESPN is always unbiased - not...though usually they favor UConn, one must admit...
 
Oregon State will beat TN in a rematch! IMHO!
TN will not make the Final 4 with Holly "I'll let the players call the plays" Warlick!
 
Gate81 said:
while all of the above may sound unfair or too interesting, to me the biggest shocker was in the Men's bracket, keeping Duke a #1 after not even making the finals of the ACC tournament. AZ should have been one in the West and Wisconsin in Duke's region. That is bizarre. I guess for all these the real question is whether a little disappointment motivates you enough to go out and work even harder.
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Not bizarre............ Duke beat more good teams than Arizona... point blank. Im looking at Zona's schedule now. Best wins.... Zaga.. at home.... SDSU... at home... and home and away victories vs UTAH. Losses to UNLV, OREGON STATE, and ARIZONA State. Compare that to Duke's best victories....... AT WISCONSIN... AT VIRGINIA... AT LOUISVILLE, AT UNC ... Michigan State..... UNC at home... Notre Dame at home. Losses to ND (twice), NC State, and Miami. Tell me what team has a better set of wins then that ? Definitely not Zona.... definitely not Wisconsin.
 
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I just can't believe how they put all the coaches that like to wear green in the Oklahoma City region. I mean WTF selection committee?
 
I was kind of shocked with UK being the final #2 seed; but, they did have wins over Baylor and South Carolina.

As for games being played on Friday in direct competition with the men's games, who's bright idea was that? That won't help draw interest; TV ratings will be worse than years past.
 
Alydar said:
Not accurate. The G-curve, or siting teams by nearness to the regions has been a consistent principle for at least 15 years, with the exception of last year when there were no regional sites. Remember, they put the S16 and E8 up for bid. Or do you think South Bend, Louisville, Lincoln and Stanford represented the 4 regions of the country. For the last 10 years predicting the regional assignment of the top 8 teams was simple as long as you knew their rankings. Until this year.

And as long as I'm being conspiratorial, here's a beaut. ESPN had Tenn in Albany until last week, when suddenly Creme had them in Spokane. ESPN suddenly started talking about how a Tenn-UConn rivalry was old news. The phrase used by Lobo was something like "that train left the station". My thinking is that that was a pile of BS. ESPN knows damn well that a Tenn-UConn game would be the biggest game around, but they know it would be a mismatch this year and if UConn blew the LV's out by 30+ the luster of the rivalry would disappear. But next year, when ESPN darling Diamond is playing, they can hype a game to the hilt. So ESPN made it clear to the NCAA, to whom they pay billions for basketball rights, that it would be better if they didn't send the LV's where the G-curve dictated they go.

Just my opinion of course.
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Okay, so then the G-rule was broken last year, for whatever reason. For many many years, the placing of the #1 seeds have not been usually much of a challenge, as the top seeds have often fallen into separate nearby sites pretty well, so it is the #2 seed pairings that have been more problematic. Occasionally the committee has stuck #1-#2 teams from the same conference together based on some S-curve or G-curve idea, but that has been roundly booed, so likely they will not do it again.

As to a theory of the G-curve guiding everything, obviously the committee hopes to use it as much as possible along with the S-curve, but they have also been willing to chuck it on occasion. Why did maybe the top team ever get sent out to Milwaukee in 2002 instead of trucking down to the 400 mile closer Raleigh? No G whiz there. In 2010, Duke was the top 2-seed and could have been sent to the nearest facility in Dayton with UConn but instead was allowed to travel further out to Memphis. Those aren't the exact same situation as with UTenn this year, but certainly the second one is very close.

Again, the committee has used many rules over the years to mix and match, and there's no huge reason for us to become conspiracy kitties.
 
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DobbsRover2 said:
Okay, so then the G-rule was broken last year, for whatever reason. For many many years, the placing of the #1 seeds have not been usually much of a challenge, as the top seeds have often fallen into separate nearby sites pretty well, so it is the #2 seed pairings that have been more problematic. Occasionally the committee has stuck #1-#2 teams from the same conference together based on some S-curve or G-curve idea, but that has been roundly booed, so likely they will not do it again.

As to a theory of the G-curve guiding everything, obviously the committee hopes to use it as much as possible along with the S-curve, but they have also been willing to chuck it on occasion. Why did maybe the top team ever get sent out to Milwaukee in 2002 instead of trucking down to the 400 mile closer Raleigh? No G whiz there. In 2010, Duke was the top 2-seed and could have been sent to the nearest facility in Dayton with UConn but instead was allowed to travel further out to Memphis. Those aren't the exact same situation as with UTenn this year, but certainly the second one is very close.

Again, the committee has used many rules over the years to mix and match, and there's no huge reason for us to become conspiracy kitties.
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They made the right choice in 2002...... if they would have sent #1 Duke elsewhere instead of 20 minutes from their campus..... Raleigh would have never bid again to host a regional.
 
triaddukefan said:
They made the right choice in 2002. if they would have sent #1 Duke elsewhere instead of 20 minutes from their campus..... Raleigh would have never bid again to host a regional.
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We'll forgive the Dukies for that one, since we know the Huskies would not have been welcome in Raleigh anyways. It ended up working out okay for UConn in 2002 even though Milwaukee and then San Antonio for the FF was a longer haul combo than usual for the team. Obviously 2007 in Fresno was a lot worse, with worse results too.
 
DobbsRover2 said:
We'll forgive the Dukies for that one, since we know the Huskies would not have been welcome in Raleigh anyways. It ended up working out okay for UConn in 2002 even though Milwaukee and then San Antonio for the FF was a longer haul combo than usual for the team. Obviously 2007 in Fresno was a lot worse, with worse results too.
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I, for one, was delighted they were sent to Milwaukee!
 
ericsandiego said:
So looks like Tenn fans get their wish being in the same bracket as Maryland. They were scared they'd be in ND's region. They think they can handle Maryland. Not so much on handling ND...
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Nah, as Tennessee being the strongest 2 seed, being in the Maryland bracket is pretty much a no brainer. I think Tennessee can be competitive with any team not named UConn
 
j66kicker said:
Prolly not but that would be great to see!

Can LadyVol beat Maryland?
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First, can we beat UTC? I would say probably since it will be at Thompson Boling. My concern is can we even get out of the sweet 16 with a possible/probably matchup against Oregon St.
 
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alexrgct said:
Maryland sure handled Tennessee last season in the tourney. ..
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More like Alyssa Thomas handled Tennessee last year in the tourny. Although that Mincey chick came in off the bench and hit some timely threes to keep their momentum going, but it was Thomas who pretty much had her way with us
 
poisonally, i'm bugged about why N.D. and USCAR aren't playing off, assuming they both get to F.F., for the right to play us. they should be, since we already beat 'em both. we'll have to beat them both again, which, i guess, would just be more evidence of our superiority. so, what.............
 
Eggman said:
poisonally, i'm bugged about why N.D. and USCAR aren't playing off, assuming they both get to F.F., for the right to play us. they should be, since we already beat 'em both. we'll have to beat them both again, which, i guess, would just be more evidence of our superiority. so, what...
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Nope, don't think so. If both USCar and ND get to the FF, they will play each other. UConn will play the winner of the Spokane region.
 
Boxerpups4me said:
First, can we beat UTC? I would say probably since it will be at Thompson Boling. My concern is can we even get out of the sweet 16 with a possible/probably matchup against Oregon St.
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I saw Oregon State play in person once this year and a couple times on TV. IMO they aren't nearly as athletic as TN, so if TN can play good ball they shouldn't have a problem. That's always a big "if", and OR St. WILL play good ball. But TN should beat Oregon State.
 
CTGirl15 said:
The problem with USF is that they will be playing at home the first 2 rounds (since Louisville can't host), so they have a shot at making the 2nd weekend.

My issue is that there are 3 other brackets they could have been in, why stick UConn with a potential matchup with a team that they've already played three times, and close (in UConn terms) two of those three times? That's BS and a really crappy move for USF, UConn, and the AAC.
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True - this Tmt was a chance for USF to do some damage out of our bracket.
 
Alydar said:
Not accurate. The G-curve, or siting teams by nearness to the regions has been a consistent principle for at least 15 years, with the exception of last year when there were no regional sites. Remember, they put the S16 and E8 up for bid. Or do you think South Bend, Louisville, Lincoln and Stanford represented the 4 regions of the country. For the last 10 years predicting the regional assignment of the top 8 teams was simple as long as you knew their rankings. Until this year.

And as long as I'm being conspiratorial, here's a beaut. ESPN had Tenn in Albany until last week, when suddenly Creme had them in Spokane. ESPN suddenly started talking about how a Tenn-UConn rivalry was old news. The phrase used by Lobo was something like "that train left the station". My thinking is that that was a pile of BS. ESPN knows damn well that a Tenn-UConn game would be the biggest game around, but they know it would be a mismatch this year and if UConn blew the LV's out by 30+ the luster of the rivalry would disappear. But next year, when ESPN darling Diamond is playing, they can hype a game to the hilt. So ESPN made it clear to the NCAA, to whom they pay billions for basketball rights, that it would be better if they didn't send the LV's where the G-curve dictated they go.

Just my opinion of course.
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Alydar- U have innate "horse Sense" I think u may be dead on!!! Keep it up!
 
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Geno-ista said:
Alydar- U have innate "horse Sense" I think u may be dead on!!! Keep it up!
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My theory may or may not be true but it is plausible. Remember, it was ESPN that promoted the "game" in 1995. They were the ones who got Pat to do it, reportedly for "the good of the game".

I'll admit I was highly disappointed when Tenn got sent out west. I have center court tickets in Albany and the game would have been the game of the year for many basketball fans. But I also had mixed feelings because I truly admire this year's LV team. Despite several injuries to key players they have persevered. They play more as a unit than any team in many years, despite having less talent. I would have felt sympathy if it turned into a rout. Now next year, when all-everything DeShields and a healed Russell along with the latest freshman savior, Cooper are all on the court, my Schadenfreude will be better.

I think ESPN will be pushing hard for a game next season, maybe even on MLK Day. And it will be at TBA in front of a sellout. A mirror of the game in 95.

Thus is the prophecy of Linkster. :rolleyes:
 
Alydar said:
My theory may or may not be true but it is plausible. Remember, it was ESPN that promoted the "game" in 1995. They were the ones who got Pat to do it, reportedly for "the good of the game".

I'll admit I was highly disappointed when Tenn got sent out west. I have center court tickets in Albany and the game would have been the game of the year for many basketball fans. But I also had mixed feelings because I truly admire this year's LV team. Despite several injuries to key players they have persevered. They play more as a unit than any team in many years, despite having less talent. I would have felt sympathy if it turned into a rout. Now next year, when all-everything DeShields and a healed Russell along with the latest freshman savior, Cooper are all on the court, my Schadenfreude will be better.

I think ESPN will be pushing hard for a game next season, maybe even on MLK Day. And it will be at TBA in front of a sellout. A mirror of the game in 95.

Thus is the prophecy of Linkster. :rolleyes:
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Alydar- send me a priv Mes re your Albany seat location. We are probably very close to you! I'll stop and say hello!
 
HuskyFan1125 said:
I really don't understand why the committee wants teams that have already played during the season to play again??? Syracuse already played South Carolina and their reward, a rematch in the second round
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To piggyback on my frustration with the committee pairings, just realized Kentucky's first round opponent is Tennessee State! A team that Kentucky played THIS season and beat!?!?!
 
HuskyFan1125 said:
To piggyback on my frustration with the committee pairings, just realized Kentucky's first round opponent is Tennessee State! A team that Kentucky played THIS season and beat!?!?!
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Tennessee was another #2 seed that played Tenn St. So the Lady Tigers probably should have got FSU, and Alabama St. should have been given to KY, which would profoundly have changed the Tournament.

No reason to be frustrated. The committee was just trying to satisfy all the disgruntled fans who were mad at them for using the S-curve to send UTenn to Spokane. They threw a bone to the G-curve enthusiasts by sending the #15 seeds to their nearest host site not actually in their home state so their fans could go see them. Boise State being out east of Siberia was the only one without a match and got UTenn. Louisiana's Northwestern State is with Baylor.
 
So apparently South Carolina has already played Savannah State in December?!!?!!

Really NCAA committee??
 
It's all our fault, guys The chair of the Committee is our Big 12 Associate Director Dru Hancock.

If you're looking for conspiracy backup--before she came to Big 12 she served for years at Tennessee. BUT, if you're looking for the more probable reason for headscratchers, just listen to her try to explain the February list of 20 "potential sites".

The woman is incompetent and never needs to have a microphone put in front of her, much less put there because of some role of authority she has.

My deepest apologies on behalf of our Conference.

(At the same time, though we do NOT have a Final Four team capacity on paper this year, and maybe an even much lesser round exit, and certainly not the kind of team to get past both Notre Dame AND SC to get to you guys, we are thrilled that for some strangely, unknown reason, the Committee's release diverted from Creme's season long Bracketology and put both us AND Oklahoma in the OKC Regional.)

And as for all the talk about who is and isn't in your region, it's quite obvious to me that this year the men's and women's brackets parallel in having an obvious UCONN vs.the Field and Kentucky vs. the Field, so early seeding really don't matter. There are only a handful of teams in the Field that can make for a decent final come early April in both the men's and women's brackets.
 
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