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Chin Diesel said:
This is a grotesque situation that was allowed to happen by a bunch of different grown men.

But for some reason, I keep wanting to punch McCreary moreso than anyone else.

He was a 22 year grad assistant and a prior QB. .
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28 Years Old. He first played for PSU in 1994 and enrolled in 1993. He graduated, coached elsewhere and came back as a grad assistant

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Mr. Paterno issued a statement Sunday night acknowledging that Mr. McQueary, then a 28-year-old graduate assistant, came to him with information about Mr. Sandusky, but denied he was told the graphic details contained in a state grand jury report. Mr. Paterno and Mr. McQueary have not been charged​

 
Judging by the entire country seeing this ridiculous riot via live feed, I'm pretty sure my UConn degree just became more valuable than a Penn St. degree
 
some stupid jerk just lit a newspaper on fire
 
hey state u students, remember who the real victims are here, hint it ain't Joe Pa. Mccreary should be fired too immediately; to witness a young kid being raped and not helping, intervening is despicable and makes my blood boil
 
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Some funny stuff being posted over on the psu board.

The State attorney general said the proper authorities were not contacted.

So you're saying a conversation like this existed ...

State College Police Officer: We have a report from JoePa that his assistant was alone in the shower with what appeared to be a 10 year old boy
State College Police Chief: Well, that's great and all, because aww shucks I really like JoePa and trust the old guy, but we really can't do anything until the school administrator and AD come forward and verify.
SCPO: Oh.

Chief (makes phone call to administration): Say, uh, fellas, Joe filed a report that ... well, that there was some 'horsing around' going on between old Jerry and an ... unrelated 10-year old boy ... in the shower.
Administrator: Weird. Must have been a false report. You know old Joe and his crazy stories!
Chief: Uh, well, yeah. That's what's so weird. Almost reminded me of the last time Jerry had a similar incident, you know, back in 1999, when he was fir ...
Administrator: ... that's enough! Jerry wasn't fired, he retired!


Several weeks later ...
Sandusky: Say, Joe, I was wondering if I could use some of the satellite facilities to house my little boys ... err ... my underprivileged youth program.
Joe: Why of course, Jerry. And thanks for stopping by the campus. It's so nice to have you around. Say, would you like to babysit the grandkids? Oh, and whatever happened with that alleged rape I forwarded onto the administration and State Police? Did they ever follow up?


DO YOU GET IT YET!?!??!?!? DO YOU KNOW WHAT A MORAL COMPASS IS!?

Listen, I get that this entire situation ******.* But the victim isn't JoePa. The ONLY victims are these little boys that had everything robbed from them, and JoePa didn't act. Everyone, JoePa included, put the institution's integrity and reputation before the innocence of children.
 
upstater said:
Paterno blew it this morning by not resigning today. His sons are giving him horrible advice.

"Beat Nebraska"

Yeah right.
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Paterno blew it multiple times over 20 years. If Paterno does the right thing just once over the last 20 years there is no resigning, no listening to his sons, no BOT meeting, and no riot. He could have been a responsible, decent human being to numerous tortured 10 year old boys and brought integrity to the PSU program.

Paterno chose this outcome for himself.

"Beat Nebraska" was important to him back then ... and "Beat Nebraska" is important to him now.
 
Skiblets said:
This Trustee is earning his keep. These questions are rapid fire and he's walking a fine line between providing info and not breaching confidentiality.
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That trustee is John Surma the CEO of US Steel, likely not a coincidence they are having him make the statement given his/his companies ties to the state. For what it's worth he is also one of the nicest people you will ever meet, that couldn't have been easy to do.
 
UCername said:
That trustee is John Surma the CEO of US Steel, likely not a coincidence they are having him make the statement given his/his companies ties to the state. For what it's worth he is also one of the nicest people you will ever meet, that couldn't have been easy to do.
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Agreed. I thought he was generous in answering so many ridiculous questions. Some of the answers were even a little smart alecky but in a justified sort of way.
 
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Paterno will come out of this smelling like a rose.

An important point will get made -- treating such allegations internally is not acceptable. Paterno's best advice would be to tell McQueary to take it straight to the police and leave a paper trail.

Timely Reporting is the answer to all such scandals. Kids need to be told to do the timely reporting thing and tell their parents and authorities when they get 'queered on' and sexually harrassed.
 
RS9999X said:
Paterno will come out of this smelling like a rose.
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No, he won't, nor will anyone connected to this mess. His legacy will be badly tarnished. Ironically this was all done in large part to protect his legacy.
 
Here's an ironic little twist on the Penn State story.

"Teachers Fired for Reporting Abuse"

Two teachers, including a former teacher of the year, are suing the Catholic Archdiocese of Miami, claiming they were fired for reporting suspected sex abuse involving the principal and a seventh grade girl. Chanell Morello and Lynn Hoffman immediately contacted the Florida Department of Children and Families and the Miami Archdiocese after the student made Morello aware of an incident allegedly involving St. Anthony Catholic School principal Norma Kramer. The principal lifted the student's skirt, "exposing her bare buttocks and genital area to a school employee and another student," according to the complaint."This is all about protecting kids," said Jeff Herman, a lawyer for the two dismissed teachers. "These women did just that, even though it cost them their jobs." The Miami Archdiocese sent a statement saying it has not seen the lawsuit and is unable to comment, but stressed that the diocese requires "mandatory reporting of inappropriate behavior." The suit is in contrast to the turmoil at Penn State University, where two officials face criminal charges and football coach Joe Paterno has resigned for-- not reporting --suspected acts of sex abuse against boys to police. The university president will also be ousted, sources told ABC News.
 
I hope the students involved in the riots are identified, prosecuted and thrown out of the school. They can start with the idiots who gave their names.

Paul Howard, Engineering student? Would you hire him now? Hey Paul, I sell software that prospective employers use to track down your history and footprint on the net. However, this one is easy, just google him. I tell my kids this all the time, don't say or post anything you cannot defend. It will follow you for years to come. There are companies that collect and sell content.
 
I like how one kid in the article blamed the media for JoePa's downfall. The only one to blame is himself.
 
Notwithsatnding the abhorrent travesty of moral failing that occurred at PSU, this guy has kept it all in perspective and got it right.
"The university is much larger than its athletic teams," board vice chair John Surma said during a news conference.
It's a simple reminder that all school administrators and sports fans should never forget. As the NCAA Public Service Announcements stated: Most student-ahtletes are going pro in something other than sports.
 
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RS9999X said:
Paterno will come out of this smelling like a rose.
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Not quite! Every statement that Paterno has made since this news became a national issue last week has been to minimize it's importance. He said he told his superiors about it, as if that was enough. He talked to students outside his home the Tuesday night and says "Beat Nebraska"! He decided that he'll step down...at the end of the season. He made no apologies that I'm aware of to the victims in this, and he continually has acted, at every opportunity, as if this will pass with time. He truly doesn't appreciate how important HIS inaction on this situation has been! Once the stories emerge of the molestation that occurred AFTER Paterno was informed directly, there will be very little sympathy for him. The rose you speak of, will have died on the vine!
 
2Infinity said:
Not quite! Every statement that Paterno has made since this news became a national issue last week has been to minimize it's importance. He said he told his superiors about it, as if that was enough. He talked to students outside his home the Tuesday night and says "Beat Nebraska"! He decided that he'll step down...at the end of the season. He made no apologies that I'm aware of to the victims in this, and he continually has acted, at every opportunity, as if this will pass with time. He truly doesn't appreciate how important HIS inaction on this situation has been! Once the stories emerge of the molestation that occurred AFTER Paterno was informed directly, there will be very little sympathy for him. The rose you speak of, will have died on the vine!
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He is very old at this point and has lost touch. Yes of course he has apologized and started asking for prayers for the victims and even said he should have done more, but then he still wants to play the game on Saturday. If you listen to Paterno's press cpnferences and interviews, you know he is like a good many 85 year olds. Still with it, but not very sharp. His family needs to better support him so he doesn't seem so inept.
 
noeynox said:
Have to believe the first step of the healing process, is PSU showing that they are taking the allegations a lot more serious than "the program". Had to be done. Good for them.
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+1
 
The Board of Trustees made the correct call in firing the university president and Paterno. They couldn't act sooner because they had to wait for the investigation to become official. They had legal restraints in how they had to handle things.

I'm not surprised by any of the responses we're observing, whether it is the media, the students, or the people on this board. Any event has a range of perspectives and responses. The more shocking the event the more likely there will be strong feelings and reactions. In most events if someone's response appears different than how we believe the response should be we'll disapprove that behavior. If events are shocking we'll have much stronger feelings and reactions.

Initially, the people close to PSU, will more likely have responses that defend the university and its icons, or have responses that are muted. Very few people associated with the university will immediately condemn their institution and those people they admire. As time goes on, and people get past their shock, they'll reflect on these events and admit the decisions were not only justified but necessary. They will re evaluate their heroes.

People not associated with PSU will be quick to condemn the actions. We'll want justice and payback. We'll be shocked at the support the institution and its individuals receive from the community that identifies itself with that institution. Nor are we ready to begin the process of forgiving the perpetrators. We're hurting too much.

If this happened at UConn or any other institution the situation would be reversed.
 
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sportsart said:
Is there a chance that the AD and the VP try and cut a deal and imply Joe knew more and lied to the grand jury?

Wouldn't be the first time someone tried to save their ass.
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I don't know if they would have anything to bargain with because I expect that whatever they could try to sell may well be already known.

They may try, though.
 
spsct said:
I don't know if that would have anything to bargain with because I expect that whatever they could try to sell may well be already known.

They may try, though.
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When your head is in the chopping block a lot of stuff gets revealed to save yourself. If these incidences were confined within the university and only the people we have already know are implicated than there won't be much leverage by the people being convicted. But if there is more to this story, and sadly I suspect there is much more, then expect some of the people we know were involved but not charged, to be charged and new names to be revealed.
 
fleudslipcon said:
When your head is in the chopping block a lot of stuff gets revealed to save yourself. If these incidences were confined within the university and only the people we have already know are implicated than there won't be much leverage by the people being convicted. But if there is more to this story, and sadly I suspect there is much more, then expect some of the people we know were involved but not charged, to be charged and new names to be revealed.
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I agree. I'm just not sure as two of the biggest fish they will be able to deal down, unless they have the magic bullet (i.e. paper trail) to blow the whole thing open, and even then maybe not.

I also agree with you and think there is a heck of a lot more to this story, sadly, and it will come out. Hopefully as many of the kids as possible are privately identified and helped as much as can be done at this point.
 
spsct said:
I agree. I'm just not sure as two of the biggest fish they will be able to deal down, unless they have the magic bullet (i.e. paper trail) to blow the whole thing open, and even then maybe not.

I also agree with you and think there is a heck of a lot more to this story, sadly, and it will come out. Hopefully as many of the kids as possible are privately identified and helped as much as can be done at this point.
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The kids are the most important part of this story. No doubt about it, and the crimes have touched a lot of nerves.

The other story is the pervasive action by those in power to corrupt the system. My suspicion is that there are some heavy hitters involved in this mess besides Paterno and Spanier. Some of them may be household names. Some not. But they are shakers and movers in this world and revealing them may not create the same reaction as discussing Paterno, but would be every bit as important because it demonstrates how wide the system of corrupted power existed around the university.

I'm not indicting Penn State. I have a sick feeling that there is a lot of skeletons in a lot of university closets. I'm hoping these revelations at Penn State will be catalysts for people to inspect their own universities. Most likely that won't happen, but I can still hope.
 
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