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alexrgct said:
The key difference is that Chatman was only 34 at the time. She was at a point in her career where it made sense for her to be a first-time HC somewhere, be it at LSU or elsewhere.

Also did not hurt to have Augustus on the squad and Fowles lined up. Tennessee is not without talent to be sure, but those were two pretty special players.
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No, it didn't but she was an assistant coach who successfully took over a program from an ailing coach.
 
Icebear said:
No, it didn't but she was an assistant coach who successfully took over a program from an ailing coach.
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Understood. For me, though, the age is the key. One wouldn't ask, "Why hasn't Pokey had/taken a head coaching opportunity yet?" The response would more likely be, "Well, she was due for a HC gig somewhere. Circumstances aren't ideal, but I'm glad it's at her alma mater." You might say the second part of that vis a vis Holly, but not the first.
 
alexrgct said:
Understood. For me, though, the age is the key. One wouldn't ask, "Why hasn't Pokey had/taken a head coaching opportunity yet?" The response would more likely be, "Well, she was due for a HC gig somewhere. Circumstances aren't ideal, but I'm glad it's at her alma mater." You might say the second part of that vis a vis Holly, but not the first.
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You might have said that about Glance at NCState - but the Wolfpack didn't go down that path and hired Harper.
 
magical2 said:
I do know Coach Wooden cont to have an office there,but he really did not play an active role
regarding the team after he retired in 75! After Dean Smith retired, I think he cont to have an office on the campus. No one is saying it,but Pat did not seem to be really there when I observed her on TV during games! OK I am a Clinician and my observations were that her condition appeared to be more advanced than when the public announcement was made,and what the public stance was. It really did appear to be obvious that what was aannounced today had to be done! Now if Pat is still in pretty good shape she realized this was the right decision for the program and for her. Stress is not good in general and in particular when one has Health issues! We will see how active she is. She now can be out of the llimelight as necessary. This disease is not pretty as it advances. I am guessing that this has been the plan that was developed during the season! Trt team evaluations were on going.
Is there really anyone who thought she was going to remain coach beyond the end of this past season??? I have been waiting for the announcement to be made. I think the timing in April long enough after the season was appropriate! This was at the moment the BEST decision given the circumstances.
What she will be able to do will cont to be evaluated. That process will never stop even if/when Pat is no longer in the public eye! Having a "wife" who has ALS I can tell you, these diseases are not fun or easy on anyone close oviousley including Pat! What she is lucky,given the whole thing sucks,is the support system,trt team, and finances she has available! I can go into that much deeper! For most Americans,who do not have all of the resources available to her, it is so much worse! It is really hard on the PT and the caregivers if they are the family and resources are so much more limoted!
I did not read this over,because this touches on my life,but I wanted to share Professional imput and some personal . Ira
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Thank you for sharing that with us. You are right that Pat is lucky to have the resources available to her but my heart tightened when I read that her only child will now be coaching at Marquette. I am certain she would never want him to put a hold on his own life but it made me sad to think that he will be so far away from her now.

Your wife is lucky to have you there for her. As the primary caretaker of an elderly parent I know the stress that can cause and your situation is much, much more difficult than mine. I hope you have someone to lean on too, Ira. All the best to you and your wife.
 
justML said:
Although we knew it was coming, it's still hard to believe that we will never see Pat coach again.

Thinking of all the bitterness and anger most of us felt about Pat ending our rivalry ... doesn't this just prove that life is too short to waste on the unimportant stuff?

No one could have predicted it would end this way. So very, very sad.
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You know, I appreciate her career, I respected her as an opponent back in the day, but frankly she hasn't been relevant to UConn basketball for quite a while. It's sad news when anyone is struck by an illness and certainly Alzheimer's is a terrible disease but, to be truthful, I can't say that her retirement is all that big a deal to me. Still wish her the best, though.
 
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While making Holly Warlick head coach may not make the most objective sense in terms of wins or losses, this is not that type of situation. I'm pretty sure I remember a giant mural of Pat Summitt's face on the interior wall of the practice facility. The first coach that takes over for Pat has to be able to live with Pat all over the walls. They may take a short term hit, but it will be better for the long term. The program needs to create some breathing room before bringing in an outsider, whether it is a former Lady Vol player or a true outsider.

Let Holly create that breathing room. If she turns out to be successful that's great for Tennessee, and if not you've bought some distance and time. Time for Pat time for Pat to settle into whatever role she's going to take on. Time to see if Nikki Caldwell or Kellie Harper really is worth bringing back to Knoxville. Time for a truly outstanding outside candidate to emerge because I don't see one right now. Not one that's going to take that job right now anyway. Tennessee can afford to wait because they have the SEC football money to pay top dollar for a coach even if the program's own revenue declines.
 
Excellent piece by Mechelle Voepel, both an emotional tribute to Pat Summitt and a reminder of the practical challenges facing Holly Warlick. http://espn.go.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7829577/tennessee-lady-vols-make-wise-practical-decisions

Mechelle is correct when she writes:

Warlick deserved this opportunity, but now she has to adjust her mindset to really take advantage of it. Warlick always reminded people this season that Summitt was still the head coach, and it's a tribute to her loyalty that her own ego/ambition never, ever seemed to even exist.

But it needs to exist now. The lifeblood for any program is recruiting, and having Warlick firmly in charge is what Tennessee must have. In February, Tennessee's top commitment for the Class of 2013 -- Kaela Davis -- announced she was reopening her recruitment because of concerns over Summitt's health/future at Tennessee.

Tennessee can and does sell its eight NCAA titles and 18 NCAA Final Four appearances, its large and passionate fan base, its track record for producing Olympians and pro players. Ultimately, though, most recruiting deals are closed by the head coach, and now the recruits know exactly who that will be: Warlick.

She will have to personally and philosophically adjust to that. She is no longer the first lieutenant; she is the captain. She has to think that way. Her touching deference to Summitt this season was 100 percent genuine, but now she is the boss.

This is why I think it's a bad idea for Summitt to sit behind the LV bench. That serves no purpose but to diminish Warlick. That's the last thing she needs.
 
UConnCat said:
Excellent piece by Mechelle Voepel, both an emotional tribute to Pat Summitt and a reminder of the practical challenges facing Holly Warlick. http://espn.go.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7829577/tennessee-lady-vols-make-wise-practical-decisions

Mechelle is correct when she writes:

Warlick deserved this opportunity, but now she has to adjust her mindset to really take advantage of it. Warlick always reminded people this season that Summitt was still the head coach, and it's a tribute to her loyalty that her own ego/ambition never, ever seemed to even exist.

But it needs to exist now. The lifeblood for any program is recruiting, and having Warlick firmly in charge is what Tennessee must have. In February, Tennessee's top commitment for the Class of 2013 -- Kaela Davis -- announced she was reopening her recruitment because of concerns over Summitt's health/future at Tennessee.

Tennessee can and does sell its eight NCAA titles and 18 NCAA Final Four appearances, its large and passionate fan base, its track record for producing Olympians and pro players. Ultimately, though, most recruiting deals are closed by the head coach, and now the recruits know exactly who that will be: Warlick.

She will have to personally and philosophically adjust to that. She is no longer the first lieutenant; she is the captain. She has to think that way. Her touching deference to Summitt this season was 100 percent genuine, but now she is the boss.

This is why I think it's a bad idea for Summitt to sit behind the LV bench. That serves no purpose but to diminish Warlick. That's the last thing she needs.
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Could not agree more...
 
UConnCat said:
This is why I think it's a bad idea for Summitt to sit behind the LV bench. That serves no purpose but to diminish Warlick. That's the last thing she needs.
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I don't know about that. I think it also serves to remind the players of the continuity between Summitt and Warlick and give them the benefit of whatever Summitt can still give.
 
The Pat Summitt story is all over ESPN radio. They don't do that much coverage of WBB in a whole season.
 
Samanthabrown3 said:
I don't know about that. I think it also serves to remind the players of the continuity between Summitt and Warlick and give them the benefit of whatever Summitt can still give.
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The question is, what can she give? The disease is so debilitating. Teenagers live for the present and Pat is not what she once was. The players and recruits have expectations of her based on what they have heard, and she is probably no longer able to project the same image as she once did. Kids will pick up on this. Kids can be cruel and lack understanding of what is happening.

I think TN management will try to keep Pat away from the kids. What they want to do is project the image of what Pat was, not what she is today. It's too risky to have her interact with the players/recruits. A top recruit would not be happy if Pat didn't recognize her or remember her name, or ask the same question over-and-over.
 
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Let's agree that the situation for next season is "unique." Cantcha hear the sound of "one" or "only" in that first syllable?

Not very unique or most unique, just plain unique.

Unique is an absolute, like best, worst, least, most, fastest, slowest, and so on.

A new head coach at Tennessee is unique. Hasn't happened in a very long time. That re-defines the meaning of "unique."
 
The end of an era...facing a terrible disease that robs of mind and memory...God go with Pat and her family...
 
Yep. If UConn hadn't made it past the Elite 8 and hadn't made a Final Four in the past four years we as fans would be apoplectic.
 
sarals24 said:
Yep. If UConn hadn't made it past the Elite 8 and hadn't made a Final Four in the past four years we as fans would be apoplectic.
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But at least it would give us an excuse to use the word apoplectic with greater frequency. :)
 
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alexrgct said:
The key difference is that Chatman was only 34 at the time. She was at a point in her career where it made sense for her to be a first-time HC somewhere, be it at LSU or elsewhere.

Also did not hurt to have Augustus on the squad and Fowles lined up. Tennessee is not without talent to be sure, but those were two pretty special players.
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Good point. The comparison of Pokey to this situation is not really a very good one. If my memory serves me correctly, which it often doesn't, Gunter was not present at the games when Pokey took over so there was no looming presence like there will be with Pat still being an active part of the program.
 
easttexastrash said:
Good point. The comparison of Pokey to this situation is not really a very good one. If my memory serves me correctly, which it often doesn't, Gunter was not present at the games when Pokey took over so there was no looming presence like there will be with Pat still being an active part of the program.
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Curious Is there a difference between East Texas Trash and West Texas trash? Us Yankees up here are pretty clueless to any in state Texas issues
 
UConner said:
Curious Is there a difference between East Texas Trash and West Texas trash? Us Yankees up here are pretty clueless to any in state Texas issues
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East Texas Trash is sweaty, whereas West Texas Trash is dry as a bone.
 
alexrgct said:
But at least it would give us an excuse to use the word apoplectic with greater frequency. :)
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One of the all-time great words.

Curious Is there a difference between East Texas Trash and West Texas trash? Us Yankees up here are pretty clueless to any in state Texas issues

I had no idea until I left that not everyone loves Texas and Texans as much as we think they do..."American by birth, Texan by the grace of God" is a pretty common sentiment here. Did you know we were once our own country? You did? Well let me tell you all about it anyway...
 
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easttexastrash said:
Good point. The comparison of Pokey to this situation is not really a very good one. If my memory serves me correctly, which it often doesn't, Gunter was not present at the games when Pokey took over so there was no looming presence like there will be with Pat still being an active part of the program.
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Sue Gunter was at many of the games when Pokey began to take over. As she became increasigly sick more and more responsibility shifted to Pokey.
 
doggydaddy said:
So, since the last NC and FF appearance, it's been 4 years. Can we use the 2012-13 season as the 5th?

Clearly, they have not been the program they have been in the past. And next year will be a problem for them, IMO.
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No, this coming season is Year 1 for Ms Warlick.
 
magical2 said:
I do know Coach Wooden cont to have an office there,but he really did not play an active role
regarding the team after he retired in 75! After Dean Smith retired, I think he cont to have an office on the campus. No one is saying it,but Pat did not seem to be really there when I observed her on TV during games! OK I am a Clinician and my observations were that her condition appeared to be more advanced than when the public announcement was made,and what the public stance was. It really did appear to be obvious that what was aannounced today had to be done! Now if Pat is still in pretty good shape she realized this was the right decision for the program and for her. Stress is not good in general and in particular when one has Health issues! We will see how active she is. She now can be out of the llimelight as necessary. This disease is not pretty as it advances. I am guessing that this has been the plan that was developed during the season! Trt team evaluations were on going.

Is there really anyone who thought she was going to remain coach beyond the end of this past season??? I have been waiting for the announcement to be made. I think the timing in April long enough after the season was appropriate! This was at the moment the BEST decision given the circumstances.

What she will be able to do will cont to be evaluated. That process will never stop even if/when Pat is no longer in the public eye! Having a "wife" who has ALS I can tell you, these diseases are not fun or easy on anyone close oviousley including Pat! What she is lucky,given the whole thing sucks,is the support system,trt team, and finances she has available! I can go into that much deeper! For most Americans,who do not have all of the resources available to her, it is so much worse! It is really hard on the PT and the caregivers if they are the family and resources are so much more limoted!

I did not read this over,because this touches on my life,but I wanted to share Professional imput and some personal . Ira
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I wish you and your wife well as the two of you battle ALS. An old friend of mine battled ALS. Even as he physically deteriorated, he was mentally sharp until the very end; and he maintained an cheerful attitude totally belying his condition.
 
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