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Dooley, agree with everything pretty much (though I skimmed parts) but one point on AAU - we're heading the right way but it will probably take longer than 1-3 years, maybe 10 years which admittedly is a long way off. And even though we're heading in the right direction, hiring faculty, other universities are ramping up research as well so nothing is assured. With the budget sequester in place, there's a lot of uncertainty to try to project out even a couple years. Still we have to try to get that brass ring, both for improving UConn overall and for the chance at a B1G invite down the road, no matter how remote.

I would skim parts too! I wrote a novel!

Agreed with what you said about AAU. I guess I meant more along the lines of networking our way closer to AAU through Universistas 21 and other channels. And I used 1-3 timeline since I think that's how long the UConn fanbase can realistically endure an AAC sentence before dropping out. I'll replace that bullet with "getting other B1G schools to see UConn's chances of an AAU invite as highly likely".
 
I 100% agree with HfD about BC. If they want to play us in football, fine, let's have at it. If they refuse to play us in football, return the favor and don't play them in basketball. It only elevates them. Let them play games with 1,000 people in the standards and 2,000 watching on TV, if they can get on TV. Why let them have a game with 15,000 in the stands and 200,000 on TV?

If BC could have their way, they'd get UConn a basketball-only invite to the ACC. Giving them us on their bball schedule with no football is giving them a gift. And it devalues the one thing we have to offer big football programs and conferences, a valuable basketball program. You shouldn't give away our basketball games sluttishly.
I agree too that it would be foolish to giv basketball Ames without football in return. HFD wants no part of bc at all and that's not good for uconn. I also would like him to post his literature where it says we are looki g to play hoops with bc and not get any football games
 
Maybe he's thinking of the 2k classic? There have definitely been rumors on UConn's end that we would like to schedule them in football after Calhoun, Hathaway and DeFillipo all retired or were shown the door, of course BC is still scared to schedule us. If there are rumors about basketball I haven't seen them but then again I don't follow any of the WV tweeps.
 
I'll bite, HFD.

Good read, here are my comments.
- the apr thing is a joke. We all know the measure is a joke. What's worse is we know most schools lie and make up numbers and we didn't have the balls to do the same. I get it. It's on the old administration. Since warde has been here we have not had a problem. True. But as part of getting off probation we had to have good numbers. So no matter who was in charge we were going to get good scores and report good scores. Bottom line. The so many tutors stuff is all bs. It really was. People who believe that kind of more advisors stuff are the gullible fans. The issue was kids left without finishing class. No matter how many advisors you have the kids left. What truly hurt us was perception due to apr. since warde has come here I have still yet to see us handle the situation. We actually to this day have coaches recruiting vs us saying we're still on probation. Here's a example. And sorry if this goes off a bit left but follow please. Last week while its not public until I type this, KO worked for 2 hours on Thursday in a lock gym with paschal a local recruit. Part of that was a big talk with some immediate people around his life. Another coach who I will not name has been pitching to paschal a camp that uconn was in trouble, probation and couldn't play in the ncaas. We all know here that isn't true. Because we're fans. But the public perception has never been handled so there are literally ppl that to this day do not know or understand what happened. We have dropped the ball. We have still yet to fix it. Within the past couple years PSU and tosu have both been in deep poop for different things. The apr issue was a side show issue and not a big deal. If the apr issue was at Rutgers they still would have got a b10 invite. It's a small issue but perception in college sports is what matters 2nd to only money. We fail that measure over and over. Warde as ad, has done nothing to fix that perception. No matter who was ad, we were going to fix the numbers so we could get back to the ncaas. Anyone that tells you warde brought us back from the apr depths is lying to you about what is actually involved with it. It's a joke.

-I am a fan of uconn sports. I did not go to uconn. I have more than a handful of family members who have uconn degrees or who are there now. I am family wise invested into uconn. But my 2 degrees personally are not. So I don't root for better English teachers. I get the whole AAU thing and I think it's important. I get it. AAU, research, funding and local jobs etc. go for it..go big or go home. If you want to tell me uconn has 10 dollars to spend and we can either spend 5 on the AAU, 3 on a stadium expansion and 2 on bball I would say spend all 10 on AAU for ASAP invites opportunities. But I don't hear that. So I am skeptical. I see that we're pushing for it. Good. But I can't sit here and root for that and buy tickets to that. So you have to feed fans like me elsewhere.

- they are easy yup. The recruiting grounds are just as important as Jamaica is for us football wise. The return dates are bad. They are however good brand names and TV games. I am fine playing them. My beef is that's the best warde has done. The reason they see value in uconn is because the same thing we see which is schools desperate to find TV games that can help there own resumes. That's simple. Playing San Jose st isn't going to help Boise opposed to uconn tv wise. End of story. The tenn and UVA series were already in play per warde. I already listed in this tread why Michigan did not buy out the game. It wasn't charm on a phone call from warde. Get real. Other AAC teams have scheduled BCS games. We have not under warde. He has however put Villanova and stony brook on the schedules. Impressed now? The b10 announced no more fcs programs. If there was ever a tell about where were heading, this sucks huh?

- the Florida series is a good one. It's stuff like that I have been begging for. I gave warde his due in the fl thread on the bball board for it. But we're uconn. Bball wise we should easily be able to be those games. I'm happy, but I don't see it as a major accomplishment and I think anyone who does has extremely low expectations. Get Florida for football and then we will talk...

- no one is going to travel to Barclays. Not to mention the fball game on the same night. We all know the story....I'm happy were going to be on tv yes, but there are way better times to play a bball game vs md and those would make tv also. It's a good brand matchup. No matter what happens, the nit wil not go well because fans will not be packing 1 event and be a bit split. Either the rent will look empty or the Barclays will be all red. Not to mention our on field issues fball wise....

-most ppl here got there first tastes of KO when he was named coach. A select few here have been in his camp for years. I am one of those guys. The family of players are in this camp also. Locals in the gyms(important ones) are in this camp. If you look back in threads a couple years ago you would read me sticking my chin out and KO and Kayleigh Heckel and how bright the future is. I have seen him many times in person on the trail. The past 3 classes have all been KO. JC took these guys around and made lasting connections and then gave him the keys years ago. It started with Daniels and boatshow. KO got Daniels in a 2 hr workout down in fl. It's been on ever since. Warde dragged out something that did not need to happen. I realize some here take the other side like u. To the ppl like me who saw what was going to be life under KO, we were all deeply insulted by warde. That's that. He will never be forgiven or trusted. And if u think this is silly so be it, but there is a not small group of people who put on a nice face and smile but truly would rather but a laser beam between his eyes for payback. Welcome to the woods warde. We don't play games when it comes to our special bball program up here. That's the motto down here.

- you know where I stand uconn bc ct and the dog etc. I think it's all a new fresh ploy for sales and I think it's rubbing a lot of ppl the wrong way. I also believe the state doesn't deserve to be outed name wise yet invest so much into the school. Uconn used to be a nickname and a cheer that mattered term wise. Now it's a muddy name that sounds like a mix of a community college and a commuter school. Every other school name that starts with a state laughs at us for this. The red vs blue and so on. Its all wrong. I really hope I can get a artist to get out my ideas for free and we can do some type of write up about it to show u guys what I was talking about. I think it would open eyes. I want new unis and all the cool stuff don't get me wrong. I just feel we went down the wrong path. I will leave it at that.

-the xl should not get a penny or any uconn games. That is a mistake to reap that contract. The rent I argue could either be left to die or expand it. Fixing the scoreboard is neither. Either u use it until 2025 and then knock it down for on campus or u expand it and its our home for 50 years. Dumping money into it but not expanding is the worst decision yet. That's another decision made by the crew that will bite years from now. Take that money and keep it n pocket or something. I get that the holding company wants to spend money. Pave the lots or something. Chests Christ. Put more blue chairs in instead of bleachers. Casual fans want ease and comfort. Chairs fit that. Wives don't like walking thru mud parking lots. Pave them. Then they go home and don't have to wash there sneakers. Aka they come back with husbands again. This stuff is not rocket science. But again and again we fail at it. c k the scoreboard. Knock it down and put more bleachers temp ones for all I give a dam. Who here needs to see a score anyway? We know how ugly its going to be with P.

-I already explained why Michigan held its commitment. That's the god truth. They explorer buying it out and getting another home game. All they could get was non BCS teams which would have hurt there SOS and TV stuff. So instead they lobbied for NYC but had no power to do so. It was just a pr campaign by them to save face. Remember that whole perception thing we don't get? They get it. The old ad did this deal and they now to save face made it seem like we're the bad guy. Perception is everything. They get it. We don't. Syracuse is on a much different mission then what this board thinks NYC wise. It's protecting themselves from the Sunys first off. Once they decided private vs SUNY flagship they knew the acc was there end goal and not the b10. The other thing is ny state has been pumping buffalo as a city meanwhile Cuse is trying to rebuild its city. Is a private vs public war going on quietly. Cuse has brand athletics, so they are trying to use those to gains attention in NYC which in turn will turn attention to the city of Cuse. It's a long road bc thing going on. Let them play there games. Ignore them. It does not affect us.

- warde hung out with wake Forrest. As soon as he left buffalo they decided to do the whole ny state thing. He's not the "rockstar" ppl think he's is. Many in the business think he's a phony who plays big man but has no substance to back it up. Before anyone tries to say this I will, we have a major connection as MSU in the b10. That connect is thru JC and JC made sure it stays a live even when he's not here. It has nothing to do with warde.

-U21 is very interesting what recently happened. UVA and uconn were joined by 2 b10 schools. Can con kity give us a theory? Lol

In summary, we all want uconn to be the best and play with the best and make money etc. I agree with a lot of what you say. BUT please read this and understand what I am asking. Not one person here has been able to honestly answer it yet:

What has warde done or what decision has he made that has been a good one?

If your answer is getting the 2nd best hockey coach or a fl bball series or a scoreboard at the rent or a game vs BYU then your expectations on what a uconn ad should be doing are sacre heart low. He'll the horrible JH got Michigan and Tennessee football games for Christ sake. See what I'm saying? The guy has yet to do something.

I wonder, would people here actually read a report if I wrote it up on what needs to go on? I think most here would laugh and not read it. I could take this ad and the decisions to pieces. If I had actual numbers money wise I would make this place eat crow for years. What's going on right now by warde is a fraud. Plain and simple. Susan is not good athletics wise and she bought a slick talking guys words. That is the issue. The sooner ppl get this the better.

What you wrote was a good read. I respect your input. But to be very honest you did not give me one thing warde has done that should make you, me or anyone say wow he's a good ad. That's what I'm getting at. But 99% of this board avoids answering the actual question with substance because they can't find it which is my point.
 
I agree too that it would be foolish to giv basketball Ames without football in return. HFD wants no part of bc at all and that's not good for uconn. I also would like him to post his literature where it says we are looki g to play hoops with bc and not get any football games

It was in a recent beat reporters article. I forget which but warde clearly states he's working on a bc bball series. I did not make this up.

The 2k classic is a separate issue which I am also mad about for the same reason. On top of that these ore season they'd are all about going away. We should have a 5 yr rotation. Maui is clearly 1. Then work 4 more in. Atlantis, Disney are 2 easy ones then work 2 more in. We can play in MSG any time. Call up Sju, they would love a series. He'll Cuse already did that. Making MSG uconn fm as early season trial tney is a slap to our die yards that travel. They want to go away to places. That's part of the whole stick. The bc part is just absurd which we all know my position on bc. I think they are extremely lucky that we play them in baseball and softball let alone a bball game. Warde has never felt the bc hate we have. Hs not a uconn guy but he's also not trying to understand this fan bases pain. We know this because of the way he handles himself media wise. They better pick out a box to put him in as far as I'm concerned if a acc invite is not on its way as well. U all may read that and think its horrible. It is. That's how dam serious I am about it. That coward asz mother trucker is ruining our school at a time when we most need to shine. Get it thru your thick skulls.

I do not blame warde for the past.
I look to the present and future.
I ask, since warde has been here how has he helped uconn get to the next level?

The reason no one can honestly answer that without lines of bs about other things is because he has not done anything past normal.

At this current time, we need a aggressive guy who is a rockstar. Who is a go better. Warde is not the guy.

The wvu and Lville ads got a community college a a legit born and bread dumb school both invites. The right leader can make things happen. Warde is not that guy.
 
I do not blame warde for the past.
I look to the present and future.
I ask, since warde has been here how has he helped uconn get to the next level?

The reason no one can honestly answer that without lines of bs about other things is because he has not done anything past normal.

At this current time, we need a aggressive guy who is a rockstar. Who is a go better. Warde is not the guy.

The wvu and Lville ads got a community college a a legit born and bread dumb school both invites. The right leader can make things happen. Warde is not that guy.
OK. Now we're getting somewhere. He's somewhere near average. I think my expectation is to have an AD who is competent, get things moving upwards, and your expectation is to somehow miraculously get UConn perceived as bigtime and in a major conference, yesterday, and anything less than that is catastrophic failure. (I can understand that, though again... grey areas). I think depsite the media narrative that UConn was next in line for the ACC, FSU was always going to be against us (BCU still was anti-UConn but nobody cares about what they say). And FSU has actual political power in the ACC, as long as they stay there.

Here's a hypothetical - imagine we miraculously got Tom Jurich to replace Hathaway in 2012. This was less than a year before the ACC needed to replace Maryland. Also imagine Louisville hired Warde Manuel. Would Jurich still have won, this time with the other team with only a short time to get things in position? Maybe he would have... but Louisville still had geography and perception (much longer history in I-A football) on its side. I'm not 100% sure that Jurich would have been able to get UConn in the ACC. Maybe he would have done a better job on the phones, but we don't even know who Warde and Susan called (other than trying to call Shalalalala at Miami and not getting the call returned). I'm sure that you're sure Mr. Actual Rockstar would have been able to pull it off, but I really have my doubts.
 
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I completely understand and respect your opinion, HFD. I was playing devil's advocate because you asked us to. I gave you glass-half-full reasons that I find okay with him and the job that he has done. I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that your line-in-the-sand moment with Warde came over the Kevin Ollie extension delay. I absolutely get that. I'm not as big of a basketball fan as I am football fan but I do get to about 3-5 games a year and watch most games on TV. I certainly was not heavily invested in KO as you and some others before his hiring. I took a different approach: protect the basketball program and don't be forced into making a hire until you are sure. It became pretty obvious pretty fast that Ollie was absolutely, positively the right hire so the wait was probably harder for you and others. I was okay with the trial/interim tag on Ollie just to see if he was better than Smart or Stevens. He was/is and the right hire was made. I don't find Warde to blame for this but understand those who dislike the way Ollie was treated. My point is that if Ollie didn't mind (I'd think he would not have taken the job if he did) or, at least, didn't mind having to prove himself, then perhaps we should not either. Of course, I would completely change my tune if this caused some sort of damage in future KO contract negotiations. I guess we won't know that for another 4-5 years.

I will respectively choose to remain in the glass-half-full camp here. I think UConn is positioning themselves properly for the B1G. It's just going to take time, perhaps a little longer than we all thought/hoped. I know academics aren't as exciting as wins and losses, quality schedules or coaching hires, but, I think, they are every bit as important in our quest for B1G acceptance.

Here are some things off the top of my head that would cause me to look at Warde more venomously:
1. scheduling BC for a basketball series without any talk of a football series. They want/need us for basketball and we want/need them for football. Seems like a good compromise. Even if the football game was played at Gilette, I don't care. Split the gate 50/50 and let's roll for New England turf;
2. UConn football misses a bowl again in 2013 and Warde does not make a coaching change. Heck, if UConn starts the season 1-4/1-5 and hopelessly floundering come AAC games then I'd want a coaching change;
3. any team goes on some sort of academic/APR probation period;
4. BC/Cuse/Pitt are accepted into the B1G and we are not.

Let's hope none of these happen and UConn continues to position as the premier northeast public that the B1G covets.
 
OK. Now we're getting somewhere. He's somewhere near average. I think my expectation is to have an AD who is competent, get things moving upwards, and your expectation is to somehow miraculously get UConn perceived as bigtime and in a major conference, yesterday, and anything less than that is catastrophic failure. (I can understand that, though again... grey areas). I think depsite the media narrative that UConn was next in line for the ACC, FSU was always going to be against us (BCU still was anti-UConn but nobody cares about what they say). And FSU has actual political power in the ACC, as long as they stay there.

Here's a hypothetical - imagine we miraculously got Tom Jurich to replace Hathaway in 2012. This was less than a year before the ACC needed to replace Maryland. Also imagine Louisville hired Warde Manuel. Would Jurich still have won, this time with the other team with only a short time to get things in position? Maybe he would have... but Louisville still had geography and perception (much longer history in I-A football) on its side. I'm not 100% sure that Jurich would have been able to get UConn in the ACC. Maybe he would have done a better job on the phones, but we don't even know who Warde and Susan called (other than trying to call Shalalalala at Miami and not getting the call returned). I'm sure that you're sure Mr. Actual Rockstar would have been able to pull it off, but I really have my doubts.

Agreed. I really don't think UConn and the ACC are a good fit. As long as BCU is in that conference they will 1) always politick against us because they are scared and 2) always remind southern football schools how much they dislike northeast football. I honestly don't think there is an AD in the country that could have gotten UConn into the ACC but the question really should be: why would we want to go to the ACC? Is the ACC the best UConn can do? The ACC has clearly demonstrated that it puts little value in top academics (Louisville, FSU, NC State) or recent athletic achievement (Pitt, BCU). It is a conference full of easily manipulated and weak Presidents who may or may not have a GOR in place, may or may not have a TV Network launch, and who are constantly fearful that they are third fiddle to the SEC and B1G. It's essentially the Big East, cirqa 2002. The absolute ceiling for such a p1ss poor academic reputation school such as Louisville is the ACC. I think UConn can do better, even if it means serving a few years in the AAC. Maybe I overvalue UConn through Husky blue tinted glasses, but I think UConn can and will go B1G. If it's 2016 and we aren't any closer to the B1G than we are today, then F Warde. But we're on the right track...it's just going to take some time and patience on our part (and a helluva lot support).
 
HFD, you keep saying nobody can answer your Warde Manuel questions. Well I got news for you. Your questions HAVE been answered and you have been getting destroyed in this debate by the posters who have taken the time to provide you with answers. You clearly have made up your mind about Manuel and believe he is an imbecile. Most disagree and believe the truth about Warde at this point is somewhere in between imbecile and rockstar.
 
HFD, you keep saying nobody can answer your Warde Manuel questions. Well I got news for you. Your questions HAVE been answered and you have been getting destroyed in this debate by the posters who have taken the time to provide you with answers. You clearly have made up your mind about Manuel and believe he is an imbecile. Most disagree and believe the truth about Warde at this point is somewhere in between imbecile and rockstar.

How many BCS teams has he added to the fball schedule?

True or false- did the Cincy ad announce stadium expansion and throw out a couple drawings for giggles.

Has warde done the above?

Did uconn win the bid to control the rent and the xl? Why not?

How will the above question effect our future game atmosphere?

When will the marketing department put out a commercial?

How come we don't add temp seats for the md game also?

Why can't we have a team entrance with 3 dogs bustin asz out to the 50 followed by our players? Ala FSU horse or Colorado buffalo.

What makes uconn capable of taking a commit from lemelle academically but not the tight end from Cali from juco?

Why did we brag that our logo was free from Nike? What makes that worth a chest pump? Doesn't it sound cheap when you then present a helmet with middle school art on it?

What is perception? How does this play a role in college sports?

Why did we even pick up the phone when bc called for a bball game?

I'll wait then give you another round of questions.
 
What makes uconn capable of taking a commit from lemelle academically but not the tight end from Cali from juco?.

Just like Milone - you are wrong again. Lemelle is an recognized honors student @ BMcD (and had offers from PSU and UVA) and did what he had to do to qualify and the TE didn't take care of business and do what he had to do to qualify academically after committing (he knew what the bar was and didn't reach it).
 
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Just like Milone - you are wrong again. Lemelle is an recognized honors student @ BMcD (and had offers from PSU and UVA) and did what he had to do to qualify and the TE didn't take care of business and do what he had to do to qualify academically after committing (he knew what the bar was and didn't reach it).

I wrote in the milone thread after I was originally challenged that I may have mixed him and the ameer kid up as to which had academic issues. I stand by my info. The news paper article says he was a honors student so then I must have had the 2 backwards and ameer was he one with bad grades. I confused names but my info was on point. I talked about oth in that post so it wasn't like I was off on mars somewhere.

It was known before lemelle committed that he was down to temple and uconn after he went to Iowa and they couldn't get him in. Temple was taking partials and there class was already big. It was obvious we were going out on a limb.

Prospects can have tons of offers but that doesn't mean they can go to that school until they are approved grades wise. Do schools like Vandy only offer good grades kids. Sure. Most big publics however offer away and then if thy ind out u have grade issue well on to the next one. They don't screen grades before hand. The reason is they can screen later so why turn kids off early when they can save face and I it later.
 

They realized it was not as easy as you make everything out to be?

I also believe that managing the XL was never in question - it was only the Rent and last I read, discussions were on-going as allowed per the lease agreement (albeit unlikely now that Global Spectrums has been selected - although the contract doesn't go into effect till end of August?).
 
They realized it was not as easy as you make everything out to be?

I also believe that managing the XL was never in question - it was only the Rent and last I read, discussions were on-going as allowed per the lease agreement (albeit unlikely now that Global Spectrums has been selected - although the contract doesn't go into effect till end of August?).

If things were easy Rutgers would have a trophy case. Tuff times you sack up and do tuff things. Or you can be a rockstar.....go getters and aggressive minds earn and lazy ppl make excuses.
 
If things were easy Rutgers would have a trophy case. Tuff times you sack up and do tuff things. Or you can be a rockstar.....go getters and aggressive minds earn and lazy ppl make excuses.

You just can't admit that you are not always right on every point... You raise some that indeed have merit but then the voices in your head start talking in multiple archaic languages, synapses start misfiring, you start to get carried away and things go in the crapper.

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So, wait a minute. The assistant coach at BC was not otherwise qualified? Really?

And, the fact that a player with no coaching becomes an assistant is no surprise. The current head coach at Boston U. got his start exactly that way. There are former players who immediately become college hockey assistants at the top places all over the country.

Heck, there are former players who become HEAD hockey coaches in the NHL without any prior experience.
No idea whether he was otherwise qualified. We'll find out. But here's what makes me suspect. According to folks at BC he is not going to get that job when York retires, despite 20 years as an assistant to Jerry York and 18 at BC. He didn't get the PC job, nor the Ohio State job nor the Vermont job nor the UMass job and the latter was turned down by 3 others including the coach at Holy Cross! So all these programs that are way ahead of UConn found him wanting. He was an assistant to the best coach in the game. Not so hard to recruit kids to play for a legend at a school with lots of traditon. We'll see how that translates to recruiting to play for Cavanaugh at a school with none. As for his assistants, it isn't so much that he took on one guy with zero years experience, it is that he took on 2 guys with 2 years total between them.

Finally, we had a candidate for this job who apparently was seriously interested, who had a pretty impressive resume. He rebuilt a Denver program that had been to the NCAAs once in the previous 15 years and brought them to 12 in 19 years including 2 Championships. So it was kind of like Tulane looking for a basketball coach, Calhoun applying for the job but they hire Craig Esherick. As a final note, I recently met the head coach of a mid-level hockey east team and we were chatting about UConn and recruiting. His comment was that to be successful you need to recruit Canada and forget New England. He said that the top New England kids are locked up by BC, BU, UNH, and to a lesser extent Harvard, Yale and Maine. Aside from the odd borderline kid who blossoms or some kid who grew up following your program or is the son of an alumnus or something, you can't out-recruit those guys. This idea that Connecticut kids will be flocking to UConn because of Mike Cavanaugh and Peirera is just looney.
 
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No idea whether he was otherwise qualified. We'll find out. But here's what makes me suspect. According to folks at BC he is not going to get that job when York retires, despite 20 years as an assistant to Jerry York and 18 at BC. He didn't get the PC job, nor the Ohio State job nor the Vermont job nor the UMass job and the latter was turned down by 3 others including the coach at Holy Cross! So all these programs that are way ahead of UConn found him wanting. He was an assistant to the best coach in the game. Not so hard to recruit kids to play for a legend at a school with lots of traditon. We'll see how that translates to recruiting to play for Cavanaugh at a school with none. As for his assistants, it isn't so much that he took on one guy with zero years experience, it is that he took on 2 guys with 2 years total between them.

Finally, we had a candidate for this job who apparently was seriously interested, who had a pretty impressive resume. He rebuilt a Denver program that had been to the NCAAs once in the previous 15 years and brought them to 12 in 19 years including 2 Championships. So it was kind of like Tulane looking for a basketball coach, Calhoun applying for the job but they hire Craig Esherick. As a final note, I recently met the head coach of a mid-level hockey east team and we were chatting about UConn and recruiting. His comment was that to be successful you need to recruit Canada and forget New England. He said that the top New England kids are locked up by BC, BU, UNH, and to a lesser extent Harvard, Yale and Maine. Aside from the odd borderline kid who blossoms or some kid who grew up following your program or is the son of an alumnus or something, you can't out-recruit those guys. This idea that Connecticut kids will be flocking to UConn because of Mike Cavanaugh and Peirera is just looney.

David Quinn is now the HC at Boston U. McCarthy is like a Quinn.
 
Dan doesn't know how bad things were under Hathaway. I can point to things Warde did that Hathaway would have failed at (or did fail) - keeping the Michigan game at the Rent, getting fundraising for the practice facility and getting the actual construction started, signing KO to a multi year deal (OH NO IT TOOK A MONTH LONGER WE MIGHT HAVE LOST ONE OR TWO RECRUITS LETS ALL DRINK BLEACH), telling PP to take GDL out of the OC duties, hiring Cavanaugh, scheduling Boise and BYU in football, Maryland, Florida possibly Stanford for MBB... all of this evidence doesn't count because it doesn't support the conclusion. So - ignore the data. It's like trying to convince a Fox News watcher that Obama actually is anything other than a muslim socialist - they already have it ingrained in their head as an article of faith and no mountain of facts or reality will change that.

Now, I am not saying Warde is on the same level as Tom Jurich. He's not rockstar level, that was a pithy quote that maybe Herbst shouldn't have said. But he's not a bumbling dunce either. He's not the type to make public rah-rah "we're awesome every other school can usck it" statements, or to say "waaaah our conference situation sucks" either, so all the boneyarders who feel the need to have the AD mirror their every emotion will always be disappointed.

I think he's got some okay accomplishments, but since we're stuck in the AAC (thanks mostly to DeFillippo, FSU, and Tom Jurich), conference affiliation takes precedence and everything else is ignored. Perhaps if the football team only goes 5-6 wins then we'll see Warde make a tougher decision and then we'll have a something meatier to evaluate him on. I hope we manage to get 8 wins somehow though just because it would start the program finally coming out of the doldrums.
I hate to come to Dan's defense here, but I actually think he is more right than wrong on this. He got badly out maneuvered by Jurich (and I've heard we WERE penned into that slot) on the ACC so in some ways everything else is like saying the London Whale kept his desk neat. He lost $6 billion in 15 seconds but what the hey? Has he done some things well? Sure. But I'd say on the whole he has been no more than adequate, and he's been downright awful on some. How do you schedule a big basketball game on the same day as a potentially big football game two years in a row? Scheduling for football was fine as far as it goes, but as Dan points out, getting Boise and BYU isn't exactly a coup. Hockey, the decison to upgrade was a good one. The selection of a head coach is no better than a guess at this point. Remember this guy has been turned down for a bunch of jobs, and by most reports he was not scheduled to succeed York when he decides to step aside. And what gives me pause is the fact that he didn't get the UMass job, and Umass struggled to find someone to even take it. That he doesn't seem to get that Pasqualoni is sucking the life and the interest out of the football program is also troubling. While having a good basketball program is important to UConn's self identity, having a good football program is critical to its athletic future.
 
I'd love for freescooter go up to Cavanaugh, tell him he should forget about recruiting Connecticut because we're not going to get those kids (as was heard from another HE coach) and then hear Cavanaugh's response.
 
David Quinn is now the HC at Boston U. McCarthy is like a Quinn.
Who is McCarthy? Quinn has been an assistant at a few places including BU, an AHL head coach, a coach of the national U-17 team and an NHL Assistant. I like the choice at BU. In fact he was a terrific choice. I like guys who have been assistants/lower level head coaches in more than 1 place. They have been exposed to more than one way of doing things. In Quinn's case he has shown that he knows how to be a head coach. To me Cavanaugh has lifetime assistant written all over him. And again, I wouldn't have a problem with hiring an inexperienced 2nd assistant. it is pretty common in college hockey. But he hired 2 inexperienced assistants. to me that raises questions. did he not have an adequate budget to bring in an experienced assistant? If so that is an issue with the Athletic Director. Or did he not have enough confidence that he only wanted young guys who wouldn't ever challenge him? that would be a real issue with him. or was he unable to convince a more experienced assistant to join him? If so you have to wonder about his ability to convince a better recruit to come to Storrs.
 
Who is McCarthy? Quinn has been an assistant at a few places including BU, an AHL head coach, a coach of the national U-17 team and an NHL Assistant. I like the choice at BU. In fact he was a terrific choice. I like guys who have been assistants/lower level head coaches in more than 1 place. They have been exposed to more than one way of doing things. In Quinn's case he has shown that he knows how to be a head coach. To me Cavanaugh has lifetime assistant written all over him. And again, I wouldn't have a problem with hiring an inexperienced 2nd assistant. it is pretty common in college hockey. But he hired 2 inexperienced assistants. to me that raises questions. did he not have an adequate budget to bring in an experienced assistant? If so that is an issue with the Athletic Director. Or did he not have enough confidence that he only wanted young guys who wouldn't ever challenge him? that would be a real issue with him. or was he unable to convince a more experienced assistant to join him? If so you have to wonder about his ability to convince a better recruit to come to Storrs.

You are blasting him for hiring an assistant like David Quinn!! The assistant was David Quinn a few years ago. Bizarre.
 
I'd love for freescooter go up to Cavanaugh, tell him he should forget about recruiting Connecticut because we're not going to get those kids (as was heard from another HE coach) and then hear Cavanaugh's response.
Not sure if you noticed, but there were 2 Connecticut based teams in the NCAA finals. there was 1 Connecticut player. there are currently 4 D1 hockey teams in Connecticut. National Champ Yale had 0 Connecticut kids. Runner up Quinnipiac had 1. UConn had 3 and th eworst team in the country, Sacred heart, had 3. In terms of New Englanders, BC had 11, BU 9, while mid-level program, Merrimack had 6, all from Massachusetts, and half of those from nearby towns.
 
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You are blasting him for hiring an assistant like David Quinn!! The assistant was David Quinn a few years ago. Bizarre.
Apparently you either don't read or don't comprehend. I said quite clearly i don't have a problem hiring an inexperienced assistant. My problem is hiring 2 inexperienced assistants, especially with an inexerienced head coach. Quinn began his coaching career at Northeastern. I don't know who else was there at the time but I suspect the assistants had more than 2 years coaching experience. But if not, well, I'm not sure we want to model our program after theirs anyway.
 
Dan does have a lot of great points. Warde has had many opportunities to do something outstanding and he's generally achieved mediocrity. Of course if we got an invite to a big conference, his job performance would have to be rated satisfactory; that one consideration almost dominates everything else. But that's out of our control. He has to excel at everything that is within our control.

I wish they would hire Dan as a consultant, he has a lot of good ideas. They need more of an entrepreneurial, less of a bureaucratic, mindset.
 
Apparently you either don't read or don't comprehend. I said quite clearly i don't have a problem hiring an inexperienced assistant. My problem is hiring 2 inexperienced assistants, especially with an inexerienced head coach. Quinn began his coaching career at Northeastern. I don't know who else was there at the time but I suspect the assistants had more than 2 years coaching experience. But if not, well, I'm not sure we want to model our program after theirs anyway.

No, Quinn didn't begin his coaching career at Northeastern. He began it at BU, was behind that BU bench under Parker forever. At the time, the other assistants were one of the Bavis brothers (who were younger than Quinn) and the goalie coach, who was a lot older, but the goalie coach was strictly a goalie coach and did no more. One of the guys Quinn coached in his first year out was Mike Sullivan.

Sullivan played 10 years of NHL hockey before being named coach of the Providence Bruins. With one year of coaching experience, he was then named coach of the Boston Bruins. He lead them to a 104 point record and coached them for 5 seasons.

There is no way to say how much experience these guys need. No one had less coaching experience than Mike Sullivan. And yet he lead the Bruins to a 104 point season in his first year.
 
Not sure if you noticed, but there were 2 Connecticut based teams in the NCAA finals. there was 1 Connecticut player. there are currently 4 D1 hockey teams in Connecticut. National Champ Yale had 0 Connecticut kids. Runner up Quinnipiac had 1. UConn had 3 and th eworst team in the country, Sacred heart, had 3. In terms of New Englanders, BC had 11, BU 9, while mid-level program, Merrimack had 6, all from Massachusetts, and half of those from nearby towns.

... and if you truly believe that they are putting all their recruiting eggs in the CT basket you are delusional. It was a classic new coach sound bite line... You know it, I know it, Warde knows it and sure as hell Cavanaugh knows it. If Gwoz was ready to commit to more than two years to three years - he probably would have the job.
 
Dan does have a lot of great points. Warde has had many opportunities to do something outstanding and he's generally achieved mediocrity. Of course if we got an invite to a big conference, his job performance would have to be rated satisfactory; that one consideration almost dominates everything else. But that's out of our control. He has to excel at everything that is within our control.

I wish they would hire Dan as a consultant, he has a lot of good ideas. They need more of an entrepreneurial, less of a bureaucratic, mindset.


Send me lawyers, guns and money. I'll figure it out from there.

My root issue is that at such a critical time for uconn we are making blah average decisions and not doing everything possible to improve. We're not making horrible decisions and shooting ourselves in the foot either. But we're keeping the stereo type perception of we're around but nothing special. We need to be special.

We need to show some life. Schools come up here and kickoff is ghost town. That leaves a bad impression on the high level heads that we just don't have the fanbase or drama class teachers to put on a show. I always dreamed of a countdown clock on a scoreboard and when It gets to 20 seconds left the student section yells uconn. Then the rest of the stadium yells huskies. Do the chant as we all know and when the chant ends everyone starts stomping feet and yelling getting real hyped up. Then the smoke comes and some good rock song starts playing. 3 husky dogs come ripping out and dash got he 50 down the line of cheerleaders to 3 guys with leashes. Following them are 3 players with a USA, uconn and ct flags. The USA flag gets assigned by some player reward each week, same with the uconn flag. Make it a big deal to get that privilege. The ct flag only ct kids can earn the right to carry. The first game of each year the captains carry for official recognition pics and w/e. so they then follow the dogs running out of the tunnel and then the rest of the team.

What is so hard about drawing that up and doing it? I honestly don't get what's so hard about that. It would be great. It gives ppl a reason to get in early. U want to be there for the dogs hauling ass up the field. U want to be there stomping the concrete and yelling. U want to be chanting uconn. It's gives the fanbase a sense of pride and a reason to be in there early.

Then here's the tricky part we stink at. Some one up in the press box takes his cell phone out and records the whole thing. Then that person takes it and puts in all over twitter and you tubes of the world. Now we're getting somewhere. You call it the most exciting minute in New England. Or entrance or something. Basically burry bc and umass before they even sniff it.

Stuff like this should be happening. It's not. And because its not I'm pissed.
 
No, Quinn didn't begin his coaching career at Northeastern. He began it at BU, was behind that BU bench under Parker forever. At the time, the other assistants were one of the Bavis brothers (who were younger than Quinn) and the goalie coach, who was a lot older, but the goalie coach was strictly a goalie coach and did no more. One of the guys Quinn coached in his first year out was Mike Sullivan.

Sullivan played 10 years of NHL hockey before being named coach of the Providence Bruins. With one year of coaching experience, he was then named coach of the Boston Bruins. He lead them to a 104 point record and coached them for 5 seasons.

There is no way to say how much experience these guys need. No one had less coaching experience than Mike Sullivan. And yet he lead the Bruins to a 104 point season in his first year.
I don't know where you get this stuff on Quinn, but he coached at Northeastern and Nebraska-Omaha in the college ranks before he coached at BU. Or at least that's what the BU website says.
From the BU press release announcing Quinn's selection as head Coach to replace Jack Parker:

"However, his hopes for an Olympic Team berth and a career in the NHL came to an end prior to his senior year at BU when he was diagnosed with a blood disorder called Christmas Disease that ultimately ended his hockey-playing career. After trying to play two seasons of professional hockey, he took the assistant position at Northeastern, where he was responsible for recruiting, off-ice conditioning, scouting and video coordination."

After Northeastern he went to Nebraska Omaha for six years. Then for a few years with Hockey USA coaching U-17 and U-18 national teams. He didn't return to BU as an assistant until 2004, by which time he had experience as an assistant at NU, an Assistant at UNO and coach of the US U-17 and U-18 teams. It is possible I guess that he was some kind of student assistant his Senior season which he missed due to his medical condition. Maybe some kind of volunteer after that until he got clearance to play again, maybe its possible. But none of that is listed on his biography from BU. But his first real coaching job was at Northeastern.
 
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