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Dallas has some talent, with some very strong-willed personalities. And it's a group with little familiarity with each other.The question is can that new coach do something with them. Not easy. He's had no head coaching experience. I think that was obvious in the 2nd half. The Lynx, on the other hand, have been together now for a few years, as was the team Reeve had during their championship years. That group almost won it all last year.
 
The Wings have a bunch of new players on their roster who are trying to work together with a handful of Wings veterans. In addition, they really don’t have a strong paint presence which makes them vulnerable to teams that attack the basket effectively.

For the rest of the season, the Wings are going to be a work in process. Hopefully, the team will get a little better every time they take the court, and be a much better team by the end of the season.

I’m sure that the Wings have a multi-year plan to build their roster through the draft and/or free agent market. Paige is the 1st piece of the new roster. If the Wings can’t get it done, I have no doubt that Paige will find a team where she can chase a championship.
 
oldude said:
The Wings have a bunch of new players on their roster who are trying to work together with a handful of Wings veterans. In addition, they really don’t have a strong paint presence which makes them vulnerable to teams that attack the basket effectively.

For the rest of the season, the Wings are going to be a work in process. Hopefully, the team will get a little better every time they take the court, and be a much better team by the end of the season.

I’m sure that the Wings have a multi-year plan to build their roster through the draft and/or free agent market. Paige is the 1st piece of the new roster. If the Wings can’t get it done, I have no doubt that Paige will find a team where she can chase a championship.
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Great point. Look at Indiana for a comparison. Last season, they started off rough, albeit it the schedule they had for the first half didn't help. The second half was way better for them and they made the playoffs. Major changes were made in the off-season and they're being looked at as a threat this year.

It's way too early to say whether this team is or isn't the right one for Paige. The team still needs to find themselves both on the court and the front office. It would be no different had she landed in LA or Washington. The reactions over one game with this team don't make sense for me however, it is what it is.
 
Keep in mind that Caitlyn Clark's team last year struggled early on. I'm not saying that Paige and Clark are the same player, because clearly they're not, but I am saying that it will take time for the wings to find equilibrium and figure out how to best utilize the personnel they have on team.
 
That was a tough watch. Was happy to see Paige score early and hit some midrange. But most of her shot attempts were contested 1v1 plays. Dallas has very little if any ball movement. Watching the game I was adjusting from UConn ball back to the W style. But watching LA vs GS I was reminded it’s not just this 1v1 ball that Dallas plays.

Poor fit for Paige in theory. She may be able to get her teammates to buy into a more selfless team ball. But doesn’t help they have a coach with relatively zero experience. Didn’t get any insight into what this team wants to be, something that was clear from other teams that played last night.

Noticed in the second half the response to a Minnesota run was immediate hero ball. Players missed Paige and others wide open off penetration. And the defense seemed to give in. Will be interesting to see how it unfolds.
 
cancontent said:
Look at Indiana for a comparison.
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In addition to the excellent points you made, I'd add that Caitlin was also Indiana's second straight number one pick. Not that she wouldn't have been a transformational player by herself, but adding her alongside Aliyah Boston gives them an amazing young core to build on for years to come. In this analogy, Paige is the Aliyah; she's the foundation. I don't see a Caitlin in next year's draft class, but there is a Lauren, an Azzi, a Flau'jae, etc. As you alluded to, last night's game was just the beginning for this version of the Wings.
 
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Jonathan14 said:
In addition to the excellent points you made, I'd add that Caitlin was also Indiana's second straight number one pick. Not that she wouldn't have been a transformational player by herself, but adding her alongside Aliyah Boston gives them an amazing young core to build on for years to come. In this analogy, Paige is the Aliyah; she's the foundation. I don't see a Caitlin in next year's draft class, but there is a Lauren, an Azzi, a Flau'jae, etc. As you alluded to, last night's game was just the beginning for this version of the Wings.
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Thank you. Long term, this could be such a different team. And Miller has put together highly competitive teams that made the Championship finals. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt versus assuming the worst from the start.

Interesting side note, the new High Performance Women's Director for Canada Basketball stated in an interview they had considered Miller to be their head coach for the National team. He's highly regarded on an international level in addition to the WNBA. He would have been a great choice to revamp that program had he been interested.
 
Curt Miller certainly has a long and successful history as a WBB coach and executive. But Chris Koclanes has an extremely light resume that includes no prior head coaching experience, and coaching the Wings is not conducive for on-the-job training.
 
it is my opinion for years now, that the only way the Wings will be a contender is to trade AO which will help in having a game based on passing instead of one on one hero ball. While Paige will get better as the season proceeds and she gets acclaimed to the physicality and speed of the pro game, the Wings are going nowhere but the bottom of the ranking.
 
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dtbtbtb said:
it is my opinion for years now, that the only way the Wings will be a contender is to trade AO which will help in having a game based on passing instead of one on one hero ball. While Paige will get better as the season proceeds and she gets acclaimed to the physicality and speed of the pro game, the Wings are going nowhere but the bottom of the ranking.
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+100. As fans, we had no choice where Paige was going, and I realize it's only been 1 game, but I closely watched the Dallas/Minny game and the Indiana/Chicago games.

Clark is in exactly the right situation and team. She has the ball in her hands and gets to make most of the PG decisions. Of course she's going to shoot, but as her triple double showed today, she's awesome at dishing assists as well.

Paige, on the other hand, is on a team with a selfish ball dominant guard (Ogunbowale) who has NEVER learned to play well with others (in the sense of sharing the ball etc.). Paige really couldn't be in a worse situation IMHO. Dallas is a mess and if they are smart, they will trade Arike.

There were NUMEROUS plays where Arike got the ball, Paige moved to get wide open, and instead of a nice pass to her for a shot, Arike forced her way to the basket, missed the shot of course, and sometimes was fouled. So selfish.
 
EricLA said:
+100. As fans, we had no choice where Paige was going, and I realize it's only been 1 game, but I closely watched the Dallas/Minny game and the Indiana/Chicago games.

Clark is in exactly the right situation and team. She has the ball in her hands and gets to make most of the PG decisions. Of course she's going to shoot, but as her triple double showed today, she's awesome at dishing assists as well.

Paige, on the other hand, is on a team with a selfish ball dominant guard (Ogunbowale) who has NEVER learned to play well with others (in the sense of sharing the ball etc.). Paige really couldn't be in a worse situation IMHO. Dallas is a mess and if they are smart, they will trade Arike.

There were NUMEROUS plays where Arike got the ball, Paige moved to get wide open, and instead of a nice pass to her for a shot, Arike forced her way to the basket, missed the shot of course, and sometimes was fouled. So selfish.
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Tonight, Paige will embark on her second WNBA game. EricLA said exactly what I was thinking. In the last game, Paige was left standing alone in the corner, while Arike just forced shots in traffic. The Wings fans, as well as all the critics want to see why Paige was the #1 draft choice. None of them had the privilege of watching her for 5 years, every single game. Paige has to see the handwriting on the wall, that she will not get the ball when she should, only because the star of the team has to be the "one", the one who leads, scores, and just has to dominate her team. Paige cannot afford to be the passive player that we have seen, and by the way, Geno has harped on all these years. Its only the second game, but she has to take charge, start looking for her shot and just be aggressive. We all know what she can do, but now she has a new fan base that knows nothing except Caitlin Clark. She is nothing like Caitlin Clark, and thats fine with me, but I think that her new teams fans expect more than what she showed the other night. Paige can light it up if she wants to, so now is the time to show these fans what she is about. It's perfectly obvious that Atike wants to be the leader in every category, and I don't think Paige will be given the opportunity to shine like the Wings management envisioned. Its time Paige, let loose and hunt your shot if you can find it, and don't worry about anyone else. I'm not saying to abandon what thew coach is trying to do, but if nothing is working it has to be the Paige show. Fans were disappointed in her first game, so let's just show them the aggressive Paige that can turn any game around. Also, maybe some of her teammates can make a layup for a change so she can get an assist.
 
Bald Husky said:
Tonight, Paige will embark on her second WNBA game. EricLA said exactly what I was thinking. In the last game, Paige was left standing alone in the corner, while Arike just forced shots in traffic. The Wings fans, as well as all the critics want to see why Paige was the #1 draft choice. None of them had the privilege of watching her for 5 years, every single game. Paige has to see the handwriting on the wall, that she will not get the ball when she should, only because the star of the team has to be the "one", the one who leads, scores, and just has to dominate her team. Paige cannot afford to be the passive player that we have seen, and by the way, Geno has harped on all these years. Its only the second game, but she has to take charge, start looking for her shot and just be aggressive. We all know what she can do, but now she has a new fan base that knows nothing except Caitlin Clark. She is nothing like Caitlin Clark, and thats fine with me, but I think that her new teams fans expect more than what she showed the other night. Paige can light it up if she wants to, so now is the time to show these fans what she is about. It's perfectly obvious that Atike wants to be the leader in every category, and I don't think Paige will be given the opportunity to shine like the Wings management envisioned. Its time Paige, let loose and hunt your shot if you can find it, and don't worry about anyone else. I'm not saying to abandon what thew coach is trying to do, but if nothing is working it has to be the Paige show. Fans were disappointed in her first game, so let's just show them the aggressive Paige that can turn any game around. Also, maybe some of her teammates can make a layup for a change so she can get an assist.
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1). No one in this forum can speak to what Paige does or doesn't see. It sounds like you're projecting based on your dislike of Arike.

2). Agreed regarding it's only game two. She also stated after the game that the team, including her have things to learn from and work on. Let's see how things play out versus thinking the worst.

Clark's rookie season was rough at the start, but she adjusted, persevered and finished the season strong No Paige isn't Clark, but she's resilient and confident in herself which is evident in how she lead UConn in the tournament. She'll figure it out.

3). I'd agreed with this point had it been framed as "some fans", because one can't assume every fan had the same expectations for her first game. I wasn't disappointed in how she performed on Friday. She had decent numbers in her first game and will get better as she adjusts. Considering she's going from NCAA level to the pros in less than a month, it's a steep learning curve and she seems to be handling it just fine.
 
cancontent said:
1). No one in this forum can speak to what Paige does or doesn't see. It sounds like you're projecting based on your dislike of Arike.

2). Agreed regarding it's only game two. She also stated after the game that the team, including her have things to learn from and work on. Let's see how things play out versus thinking the worst.

Clark's rookie season was rough at the start, but she adjusted, persevered and finished the season strong No Paige isn't Clark, but she's resilient and confident in herself which is evident in how she lead UConn in the tournament. She'll figure it out.

3). I'd agreed with this point had it been framed as "some fans", because one can't assume every fan had the same expectations for her first game. I wasn't disappointed in how she performed on Friday. She had decent numbers in her first game and will get better as she adjusts. Considering she's going from NCAA level to the pros in less than a month, it's a steep learning curve and she seems to be handling it just fine.
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This is not a good team, and if they want to get better Paige has to be aggressive and play her game. BTW, I love Arike, one of my favorite players of all time. BUT, don't tell me that is the reason for the post. This is about the growth of the team, and I'm talking about Wings fans who really don't know Paige. I do, do you? I believe she did alright in her first game, but with a year's full of hype by the media, she has to step it up and be the aggressor. Fans are vicious now a days, just ask the players who visit Indiana.
 
That moment when you realize you're playing against Napheesa Collier
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Honestly, it really didn't seem like anyone on the wings could guard her, but the matchup against Paige seemed particularly unfair.
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dtbtbtb said:
it is my opinion for years now, that the only way the Wings will be a contender is to trade AO which will help in having a game based on passing instead of one on one hero ball. While Paige will get better as the season proceeds and she gets acclaimed to the physicality and speed of the pro game, the Wings are going nowhere but the bottom of the ranking.
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You know, Arike Ogunbowale's contract with the Dallas Wings expires at the end of the season. The wings are not required to resign her next season as a free agent. It is my understanding that in addition to Arike, every other veteran player in the league will also be a free agent; every team will have the opportunity to go recruiting with their resume of core young players who are locked into a contract with their franchise.

I've no idea how this "collective bargaining agreement" will work out, but it seems as if it will be a huge game a musical chair, with only the young core players as the staple remaining on the teams. So, of the big-time veteran players, and I am talking big-time like A'ja, and Phee, Stewie, etc.; which are going to want to go play in Indiana? And why wouldn't they! Indiana was soooo poor that they received back to back #1 selections in Clark and Boston. In addition, they have Lexie Hull locked. Going into this party, that is a pretty solid core group of youngsters, just seeking new veteran free agent friends!

So, what other team? Perhaps the Dallas Wings? They have Paige and Seigrist locked up. If it turns out that they are really bad this season (apprears they will be) and they end up winning the lottery choice again, that team would be just about as desirable as the Fever. Paige, Maddy, Lauren Betts, Napheesa Collier, and Sabrina Ionescu would sure make for a pretty solid starting five.

The Washington Mystics have Iriafen, Citron and Edwards; perhaps that is a group that the A'ja Wilson's will want to go join! I guess the point is, you just never know what next year will look like. Paige playing in Dallas this season is not the end of the world.
 
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Bald Husky said:
This is not a good team, and if they want to get better Paige has to be aggressive and play her game. BTW, I love Arike, one of my favorite players of all time. BUT, don't tell me that is the reason for the post. This is about the growth of the team, and I'm talking about Wings fans who really don't know Paige. I do, do you? I believe she did alright in her first game, but with a year's full of hype by the media, she has to step it up and be the aggressor. Fans are vicious now a days, just ask the players who visit Indiana.
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It may not be a good team, but one game doesn't make that a fact. Is DC a juggernaut because they're 2-0? No. No one knows until the season's over.

Maybe some Wings fans don't know much about Paige, but you're painting the entire fanbase with a very wide brush, along with your comment about Indiana fans. Give the fanbase the benefit of the doubt and see what happens.

Paige will be fine and will learn what she needs to do. Give her and this revamped team the time to figure it out.
 
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