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MSGRET said:
Leave it to ESPN to not mention that she was also awarded the 2025 Wade Trophy POY and Honda Sports Awards. The top 2 awards given out after the National Championship Game.
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And take away from their excellent graphic work melding the uniforms together? 😉
 
Phil said:
I am a huge Citron fan but I can't think of any way to justify picking her over Paige.
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In the stats I posted earlier in this thread, the ONLY statistic that Citron beat out Paige was 3 point shooting %. Apparently that is the ONLY metric those 2 voters looked at, and it was lazy voting to say the least.
 
As I've mentioned on this forum many a time, I've been a huge fan of Paige Buckets since early in her high school career, watching games online. A little bit ago, I was looking at MaxPreps and found that she scored 8.9 points per game and 3.9 rebounds per game... In 8th grade!

And it's not like she was on a desperate-for-players team... They went 29-3 that year.

I just hope the Wings can find some good roster mates for next year... And I also hope no player strike happens.

Also, I heard a side comment during the playoffs tonight that some positive things have happened on the labor front. Hope that works out!!
 
MSGRET said:
Leave it to ESPN to not mention that she was also awarded the 2025 Wade Trophy POY and Honda Sports Awards. The top 2 awards given out after the National Championship Game.
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Just a minor oversight by ESPN? We all have seen how much ESPN, a Disney company, is heavily invested in Caitlin. There is a clear difference in ESPN's level of investment and media attention given to Clark vs Bueckers. ESPN has their obvious bias toward Clark. It's been covered pretty extensively on this forum and there shouldn't even be an argument about that based on the media attention they give Clark vs Bueckers but after all the back and forth as there surely will be by Clark fans I'll go with Geno's opinion: Bueckers is a better and "more unguardable' player. But that isn't going to change ESPN so there's no need even looking for it.
 
WiseWillie said:
Just a minor oversight by ESPN? We all have seen how much ESPN, a Disney company, is heavily invested in Caitlin. There is a clear difference in ESPN's level of investment and media attention given to Clark vs Bueckers. ESPN has their obvious bias toward Clark. It's been covered pretty extensively on this forum and there shouldn't even be an argument about that based on the media attention they give Clark vs Bueckers but after all the back and forth as there surely will be by Clark fans I'll go with Geno's opinion: Bueckers is a better and "more unguardable' player. But that isn't going to change ESPN so there's no need even looking for it.
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While I have always stated my belief that you start your team with Paige over CC because Paige elevates her teammates like no one else, I’m not particularly fond of the “either/or” nature of the comparisons between Paige & CC. I think both are great players. I look forward to seeing them compete against each other for years in the W, while also bringing home a bunch of Olympic gold medals together as the backcourt for Team USA.
 
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WiseWillie said:
Just a minor oversight by ESPN? We all have seen how much ESPN, a Disney company, is heavily invested in Caitlin. There is a clear difference in ESPN's level of investment and media attention given to Clark vs Bueckers. ESPN has their obvious bias toward Clark. It's been covered pretty extensively on this forum and there shouldn't even be an argument about that based on the media attention they give Clark vs Bueckers but after all the back and forth as there surely will be by Clark fans I'll go with Geno's opinion: Bueckers is a better and "more unguardable' player. But that isn't going to change ESPN so there's no need even looking for it.
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This is regarding the graphic post by social media right? Do they not have the right to some artistic license with respect to the visual they want to publish? The reason I ask is that I don't see this as a slight the same way others have.

Plus, ESPN did a fair bit of coverage on Paige winning the award plus her season performance throughout the day when it was announced. All of ESPNs shows talked about it, and there was coverage on SportsCenter that evening.
 
oldude said:
While I have always stated my belief that you start your team with Paige over CC because Paige elevates her teammates like no one else, I’m not particularly fond of the “either/or” nature of the comparisons between Paige & CC. I think both are great players. I look forward to seeing them compete against each other for years in the W, while also bringing home a bunch of Olympic gold medals together as the backcourt for Team USA.
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CC elevated her teammates to lead the Fever to their first playoff in 8 years..Mitchell and Boston had career years because of Clark
 
oldude said:
While I have always stated my belief that you start your team with Paige over CC because Paige elevates her teammates like no one else, I’m not particularly fond of the “either/or” nature of the comparisons between Paige & CC. I think both are great players. I look forward to seeing them compete against each other for years in the W, while also bringing home a bunch of Olympic gold medals together as the backcourt for Team USA.
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Paige just gradulated from Uconn..what did you expect him to say
 
browns said:
CC elevated her teammates to lead the Fever to their first playoff in 8 years..Mitchell and Boston had career years because of Clark
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And Clark had the benefit of key cogs like Mitchell and Boston being on the team when she was drafted. Paige didn't have that situation in her case and still broke records.

Switch scenarios and it's very likely Paige would have had a similar impact with that same roster. Context matters when you make such statements.
 
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HuskyNan said:
Leave it to UConn fans to complain that the UConn player only got 97.2% of all votes
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You are right, Nan. UConn fan exurberance can at times be a little too over exuberant. I'm old enough to know that is not going to change - and maybe it shouldn't; it's what makes UConn, UConn.

Not complaining, but a player who set records at the Basketball Capitol of the World and led the team to a national championship and then set records as the ROY should get everyone's vote and attention 100% of the time, no question. I will acknowledge that can be labeled as a completely biased opinion (some may even see it as a complaint) from an overly exuberant fan, but one who won't change. 😊
 
browns said:
CC elevated her teammates to lead the Fever to their first playoff in 8 years..Mitchell and Boston had career years because of Clark
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Well … Boston’s scoring fell a half point and her FG percentage dipped from 58 to 53 in year two. So not really. Giving Clark credit for a “career year” for someone in their second season, when the sample size is 2, is a little silly to begin with, but the stats don’t even reflect that.

Mitchell’s scoring did go up a point from 18.2 to 19.2 and FG percentage improved from 44 to 47 … so you could fairly say it was a career year for scoring efficiency (and it’s fair to say CC had something to do with that, drawing attention and getting her better looks). But Mitchell also became very one dimensional. Her assists dipped under 2 (from 3.1 to 1.8) for the only time in her career and her A-to-TO ratio was a career-worst 1.1. In 2022 (when the Fever admittedly stunk) she averaged 18.4 points on 43 percent shooting with 4.2 assists and a 1.8 assist to turnover ratio. That’s arguably a better individual season than 19.2, 47 pct, 1.8 assists and a 1.1 ratio.

Meanwhile this year with CC out, Mitchell has almost doubled her assists back up to 3.4 - greatly improved her A:TO ratio to 1.9 - and her scoring has also gone up to 20.2. She’s having her career year this year without Clark. She’s likely first team all W.

We saw this same phenomenon at Iowa with the disrespect for Monika Czinano - who scored 2500 career points and shot 68 percent in every year she started (even the year before CC got there). But the narrative now is that she’s just one of those randos who was carried, instead of the closest thing to an automatic bucket that college hoops has seen this century.
 
WiseWillie said:
Just a minor oversight by ESPN? We all have seen how much ESPN, a Disney company, is heavily invested in Caitlin. There is a clear difference in ESPN's level of investment and media attention given to Clark vs Bueckers. ESPN has their obvious bias toward Clark. It's been covered pretty extensively on this forum and there shouldn't even be an argument about that based on the media attention they give Clark vs Bueckers but after all the back and forth as there surely will be by Clark fans I'll go with Geno's opinion: Bueckers is a better and "more unguardable' player. But that isn't going to change ESPN so there's no need even looking for it.
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Paige got plenty of attention from ESPN. The game where she dropped 44 was all over their featured media pieces. She's regularly been highlighted despite playing on the worst team in the leauge. Ever her injuries were headline news.



It's truly amazing how Clark lives rent-free in people's heads on this forum.
 
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Congrats to Paige on an incredible rookie season. Very glad to see her healthy and making her mark on the league, well deserved. I'm sure she could care less about winning "just" 70 of the 72 of 1st place votes.

Also, why is CC being pulled into this thread? She's been out almost the entire season and is completely irrelevant to Paige winning ROY. Is it really that hard to let a thread celebrating Paige be about celebrating Paige?
 
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bballnut90 said:
Congrats to Paige on an incredible rookie season. Very glad to see her healthy and making her mark on the league, well deserved. Also, I'm sure she could care less about winning "just" 70 of the 72 of 1st place votes.

Also, why is CC being pulled into this thread? She's been out almost the entire and is completely irrelevant to Paige winning ROY. Is it really that hard to let a thread celebrating Paige be about celebrating Paige?
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My bad if in #35 I brought up ESPN's coverage of CC vs PB. Not needed for sure on this thread. Please accept my mea culpa Nan and Boneyard. Let's devote all of our comments to only Paige who deserves all of our attention and credit for what she has worked hard at and accomplished. She is a record setter.
 


Just came across this and thought it would make some of the gang chuckle. It looks like the coaching battle between Paige and Arike has carried over into the off-season. 😉
 
cancontent said:
And Clark had the benefit of key cogs like Mitchell and Boston being on the team when she was drafted. Paige didn't have that situation in her case and still broke records.

Switch scenarios and it's very likely Paige would have had a similar impact with that same roster. Context matters when you make such statements.
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No she wouldn't..Paige has never come close to averaging over 8 assists a game not even in college
 
WiseWillie said:
Just a minor oversight by ESPN? We all have seen how much ESPN, a Disney company, is heavily invested in Caitlin. There is a clear difference in ESPN's level of investment and media attention given to Clark vs Bueckers. ESPN has their obvious bias toward Clark. It's been covered pretty extensively on this forum and there shouldn't even be an argument about that based on the media attention they give Clark vs Bueckers but after all the back and forth as there surely will be by Clark fans I'll go with Geno's opinion: Bueckers is a better and "more unguardable' player. But that isn't going to change ESPN so there's no need even looking for it.
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Why wouldn't ESPN give Clark the most media attention..she's the face of the WNBA and elevated the W like it's never been before
 
browns said:
Why wouldn't ESPN give Clark the most media attention..she's the face of the WNBA and elevated the W like it's never been before
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Because for the WNBA to have a future, it has to move beyond Caitlin Clark. If they hitch their wagon to any one person, the spark created by Clark will die a quick death.
 
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browns said:
No she wouldn't..Paige has never come close to averaging over 8 assists a game not even in college
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At UConn, Paige wasn’t the main/ only point guard.

If you follow UConn WBB at all, the read-react offense thrives with many ball handlers capable of making an assist.

And Geno also moved Paige as the off-ball scorer and pleaded with Paige to curb her assist-first urge and hunt for her shots and shoot when open.

Caitlyn’s assists at Iowa came with high usage (40.1%, senior year), high turnovers (15.5%, senior year) and middling A/TO (1.87). Paige’s college stats are here. Paige’s A/TO (senior year) is gold-standard level.

In the WNBA, Indiana requires Caitlyn to be the point guard. She has comparable stats to her Iowa years — being the point guard, but with better usage (i.e. better teammates) but with the same abysmal turnovers and middling A/TO.

If you compare the distribution of Win Shares (Caitlyn | Paige ), it is clear that being the point guard with better teammates has a lot to do with the assist numbers.

Lastly, Paige’s WNBA assists (5.4) and A/TO (2.70) compare favorably to WNBA all-time lists (assists | A/TO) even while not being the point guard.
 
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browns said:
Why wouldn't ESPN give Clark the most media attention..she's the face of the WNBA and elevated the W like it's never been before
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ESPN will focus their coverage on the topics and players that get them attention, however they're not going to put all their eggs in one basket. This past season was an example, with Clark out for majority of the season. Not to mention, people get tired if the focus is on one player.

The same thing was happening to Bueckers in 2020. There was a fair bit of griping online about ESPN pushing the Bueckers' narrative that season. When Bueckers was injured in 2022, more attention went to Clark, deservedly so, because she was the new storyline that ESPN could promote. Had Bueckers been healthy that year, we'd likely would have had a lot of comparison discussions, similar to Bird and Magic when they were in college.

With respect to whether she's "the face" of the WNBA, I would argue she is "one of many faces" of the WNBA. Assuming that everyone watching are there for just Clark or that fans only started to pay attention when Clark graduated is short sighted. Growth in attendance and viewership started as Clark started her collegiate career. Yes she helped, significantly, but to say it's all because of Clark is incorrect and disingenuous if you have been paying attention to the league for some time.
 
NycUcWbbFan said:
At UConn, Paige wasn’t the main/ only point guard.

If you follow UConn WBB at all, the read-react offense thrives with many ball handlers capable of making an assist.

And Geno also moved Paige as the off-ball scorer and pleaded with Paige to curb her assist-first urge and hunt for her shots and shoot when open.

Caitlyn’s assists at Iowa came with high usage (40.1%, senior year), high turnovers (15.5%, senior year) and middling A/TO (1.87). Paige’s college stats are here. Paige’s A/TO (senior year) is gold-standard level.

In the WNBA, Indiana requires Caitlyn to be the point guard. She has comparable stats to her Iowa years — being the point guard, but with better usage (i.e. better teammates) but with the same abysmal turnovers and middling A/TO.

If you compare the distribution of Win Shares (Caitlyn | Paige ), it is clear that being the point guard with better teammates has a lot to do with the assist numbers.

Lastly, Paige’s WNBA assists (5.4) and A/TO (2.70) compare favorably to WNBA all-time lists (assists | A/TO) even while not being the point guard.
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Nice effort but you're probably just confusing him with all this. 😉
 
cancontent said:
ESPN will focus their coverage on the topics and players that get them attention, however they're not going to put all their eggs in one basket. This past season was an example, with Clark out for majority of the season. Not to mention, people get tired if the focus is on one player.

The same thing was happening to Bueckers in 2020. There was a fair bit of griping online about ESPN pushing the Bueckers' narrative that season. When Bueckers was injured in 2022, more attention went to Clark, deservedly so, because she was the new storyline that ESPN could promote. Had Bueckers been healthy that year, we'd likely would have had a lot of comparison discussions, similar to Bird and Magic when they were in college.

With respect to whether she's "the face" of the WNBA, I would argue she is "one of many faces" of the WNBA. Assuming that everyone watching are there for just Clark or that fans only started to pay attention when Clark graduated is short sighted. Growth in attendance and viewership started as Clark started her collegiate career. Yes she helped, significantly, but to say it's all because of Clark is incorrect and disingenuous if you have been paying attention to the league for some time.
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Good points but you can't argue with these guys. They think Clark is like their niece or granddaughter or something.
 
BobbyJ said:
Good points but you can't argue with these guys. They think Clark is like their niece or granddaughter or something.
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Fair, but the same can be said about any fan who has their favourite player. 😉
 
Phil said:
I am a huge Citron fan but I can't think of any way to justify picking her over Paige.
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Some media outlets worked awful hard to pull that off, then went dark in mid-August. Can't figure why. 🤣
 
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