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Can we be fair? Losing USC and UCLA put it on an entirely different footing, and losing UW and Oregon would make it hard to survive as a major conference. But losing Colorado, if it doesn’t start an exit, has no material effect whatsoever. Colorado is east of the Rockies and for the dozen years it was in the conference sucked in football and was well below average in hoops. The direct effect of them leaving is minimal.

Yes, if it causes a panic, that’s another matter. But if you’re UW, or UA, seriously, why do you care.
This is a great point.
Losing Colorado isn’t a big deal to Pac. The damaging blow was the LA schools.

That’s what makes me think this mass exodus of the corner schools is overblown. I could be wrong.

Colorado has a history with Big 12. The others, not so much
 
This is a great point.
Losing Colorado isn’t a big deal to Pac. The damaging blow was the LA schools.

That’s what makes me think this mass exodus of the corner schools is overblown. I could be wrong.

Colorado has a history with Big 12. The others, not so much
The problem for the other schools is that there aren't really appealing backfill programs, either athletically or academically. You're looking at SDSU, Fresno, Utah State, Colorado State, etc. So, you get back to 10 or 12 with some meh schools, but there's no room for growth and a clear ticking time bomb with the B1G, since the LA schools alone make no sense and you have no media deal in place right now...
 
Can we be fair? Losing USC and UCLA put it on an entirely different footing, and losing UW and Oregon would make it hard to survive as a major conference. But losing Colorado, if it doesn’t start an exit, has no material effect whatsoever. Colorado is east of the Rockies and for the dozen years it was in the conference sucked in football and was well below average in hoops. The direct effect of them leaving is minimal.

Yes, if it causes a panic, that’s another matter. But if you’re UW, or UA, seriously, why do you care.
The speculation, and that’s all it is, is that Colorado leaving creates hesitation among the media partners they are talking to and reduces a deal that was already a tough sell. Losing CU athletics, ok. But losing Denver one of the fastest growing metro areas and one dominated by the Buffs? That’s going to cost them.

Hypothetically, maybe you had a $24m deal, now cut to say $22m a school. The $ gap could be such that even the schools who really don’t want to go to the Big XII will consider it.
 
The ACC is in a worse position than the B12 but not because they were better managed. The B12 was raided half a dozen times. So now the B12 is benefitting from Texas money/love of football, and being fairly undesirable to the P2 conferences. The ACC remained (mostly) intact, which unfortunately is not an asset for conferences not named the SEC or B10.
 
Anyone who makes an argument whose premise is "football drives the bus" has no idea why any of the realignment moves are happening.
I would say this is 100% correct.

The premise includes the proposition that Iowa St. versus Kansas st. draws eyeballs, or hell, Texas Tech versus Cincinnati (when/if those teams are ranked, then maybe, but otherwise... that's not what people mean when they say football drives the bus).
 
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The ACC is in a worse position than the B12 but not because they were better managed. The B12 was raided half a dozen times. So now the B12 is benefitting from Texas money/love of football, and being fairly undesirable to the P2 conferences. The ACC remained (mostly) intact, which unfortunately is not an asset for conferences not named the SEC or B10.
The ACC is in a much better position than the B12. They have their own network, major brands in football and basketball and they are tied together for 13 more years. The ACC remains the best fit for us. As BC continues to go down their clout diminishes greatly within the ACC. We need to invest in Mora and sellout our games
 
The ACC is in a worse position than the B12 but not because they were better managed. The B12 was raided half a dozen times. So now the B12 is benefitting from Texas money/love of football, and being fairly undesirable to the P2 conferences. The ACC remained (mostly) intact, which unfortunately is not an asset for conferences not named the SEC or B10.
The ACC is in a worse position because everybody knows their major players are gone as soon as they can and do not want to accept more bodies.
 
The problem for the other schools is that there aren't really appealing backfill programs, either athletically or academically. You're looking at SDSU, Fresno, Utah State, Colorado State, etc. So, you get back to 10 or 12 with some meh schools, but there's no room for growth and a clear ticking time bomb with the B1G, since the LA schools alone make no sense and you have no media deal in place right now...
There are backfills, but the PAC had elitist visions of who they could add. SDSU was always available. They basically replace Colorado. If the assumption was Colorado gone, backfill with sdsu and move on

If they assumed Colorado stayed, then it was SDsU and SMU to get back to 12. Now maybe throw in Tulane and they could still get back to 12.

Still don’t think Colorado is this huge impetus for defections. None of the other schools want the Big 12.
 
Clemson, also, is in a small market in a small state, isn’t a flagship, and is looked at as “maybe SEC” simply because for a few years it was one of 2 dominant programs in the country. If Clemson goes back to anywhere near its historical mean by ‘36, the SEC would have no interest. Getting into FL with FSU has reasons beyond the team is super hot and winning, but that’s all Clemson’s interest is based on.
Never understood the Clemson to SEC theory. They have somewhere between a quarter and a third the states support normally. Obviously riding the recent success and that success is notable but if it crashes and burns they would bring very little value to the SEC. North Carolina, NC State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, FSU and Georgia Tech theoretically have better value than Clemson. Heck UConn could have more value to the SEC if the football program reaches a modicum of sustained success.
 
There are backfills, but the PAC had elitist visions of who they could add. SDSU was always available. They basically replace Colorado. If the assumption was Colorado gone, backfill with sdsu and move on

If they assumed Colorado stayed, then it was SDsU and SMU to get back to 12. Now maybe throw in Tulane and they could still get back to 12.

Still don’t think Colorado is this huge impetus for defections. None of the other schools want the Big 12.
If at @GoKU is correct Arizona and ASU may have serious interest. That would be seismic to the PAC. Getting UConn and Arizona would accomplish Yormack’s goal of increasing the conference’s superiority in basketball. Additionally Imagine the Hurley brothers playing against one another and the hype it would generate.

Colorado was a means to an end. It mollifies any resistance to UConn with any current Big 12 schools and precipitates the Zona moves. If the scenario plays out Yormack, at least for the moment, significantly puts the Big12 in the number three position when just a short while ago they were on life support.
 
The PAC 12 just ran out of toilet paper and ESPN is not there to give them any

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The ACC is in a much better position than the B12. They have their own network, major brands in football and basketball and they are tied together for 13 more years. The ACC remains the best fit for us. As BC continues to go down their clout diminishes greatly within the ACC. We need to invest in Mora and sellout our games
The ACC is unstable because they have major brands that want to move to the P2 and have options to do so. The only question is does that happen in 2036 or earlier? The Big 12 is a group of schools that really don't have P2 options. As for the ACCN, the ACCN will see peak revenues very soon as it is a linear cable network with cord cutting reducing the number of subscribers over time. That is the same issue that is impacting ESPN. Can the ACCN drive revenue growth through streaming? I don't think so as the ACC is made up of too many small private schools with limited fanbases.
 
Not sure where to put this but why not here. Here’s a far fetched scenario that may not be that far fetched.

UCONN already has a Big XII invite but are waiting to see the four corner schools response. If Arizona and ASU go to Big XII that would certainly be a nail in the coffin of the PAC as it exists. Oregon, Washington, Stanford, and Cal are not going to back fill with the teams discussed.
UCONN has also been in discussions with B1G. Should PAC collapse, UCONN Oregon Washington and Notre Dame to B1G. Four 5 team pods
East: UCONN, Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland, Notre Dame
West: UCLA, USC, Oregon, Washington, Nebraska
Pod 3: Michigan, Ohio St, Mich St, Indiana, Purdue
Pod 4: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Iowa, Illinois

Stanford, Cal fly independent for a few years with a scheduling agreement with B1G.
When the ACC collapses bring in Virginia, UNC, Cal, and Stanford. Virginia and UNC to East pod. Notre Dame to Pod 3. Nebraska to Pod 4. Cal and Stanford to West.

That shores up both coast population centers plus their already existing footprint.

Yeah, it’s an “out there” idea but if you’re gonna dream you might as well dream B1G.
 
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I was just thinking, Benedict started his career at ASU and was there for a decade. I wonder if he still has a pulse on what's going on over there and maybe that's leading to our supposed confidence that Aaron Torres has noted?
 
You are misunderstanding his post. We don't have a Big 12 invite at this time.

No, I'm saying two things:

1) There's no chance the B1G would invite us right now, and
2) Even if they would, there's no way we would slow play the Big XII invite in hopes of that. The second either conference offers us, we're accepting.
 
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No, I'm saying two things:

1) There's no chance the B1G would invite us right now, and
2) Even if they would, there's no way we would slow play the Big XII invite in hopes of that. The second either conference offers us, we're accepting.
The fact is as much we may root for UCONN, none of “us” boneyarders are privy to the real goings on. And neither are the trolls or click-baiting cellar dwelling tweeters. If you knew and were posting on here what you knew you wouldn’t be in the know much longer. There’s a lot of money at stake in these negotiations so confidentiality is critical.
The rest of us look for crumbs to support our narrative. Some do it via trolling (which I think is pathetic). Some grasp the littlest possible clue.
I am damn proud of my alma mater and believe based on our academic and athletic department performance we are just as deserving, if not more deserving, of a seat at the big (or B1G) table as a majority of the so-called P5 schools. I didn’t say that scenario was happening but I choose to be a positive dreamer.
Colorado’s invite was probably extended when they were visited months ago. And they responded appropriately waiting to see a counter. The same may be happening with UCONN.
 
The fact is as much we may root for UCONN, none of “us” boneyarders are privy to the real goings on. And neither are the trolls or click-baiting cellar dwelling tweeters. If you knew and were posting on here what you knew you wouldn’t be in the know much longer. There’s a lot of money at stake in these negotiations so confidentiality is critical.
The rest of us look for crumbs to support our narrative. Some do it via trolling (which I think is pathetic). Some grasp the littlest possible clue.
I am damn proud of my alma mater and believe based on our academic and athletic department performance we are just as deserving, if not more deserving, of a seat at the big (or B1G) table as a majority of the so-called P5 schools. I didn’t say that scenario was happening but I choose to be a positive dreamer.
Colorado’s invite was probably extended when they were visited months ago. And they responded appropriately waiting to see a counter. The same may be happening with UCONN.
Stop, we aren't going to the B1G.
 
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