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IMO a few doses of the 2-1-2, 3-2 or Box+1 Zone internmingled with the m2m would add some differnt looks and cause the opposng offenses some difficulty in adjusting. And, as soon as they adjust, switch back to m2m.
I agree that mixing it up could help create some indecision for the opposition. Basically be a man to man defense but at times surprise the opponent with a zone. Don’t care what type just the one we are best at in practice.

My point being is how much lower in defensive metrics until we decide to make some tweaks to what is clearly not working.
 
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I love these threads in which boneyarders talk like they know more than our coaches. These coaches eat, drink and sleep basketball. Don’t you think they actually discuss every possibility? They meet every day before practice and toss around different ideas
 
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You can still play man, but just not attacking/denying everywhere. Give a step (or 2 if needed). Foot in paint when you are two passes away. If someone drives, you have other defenders playing help-the problem is you give up the open three.

Our identity is, We attack on our man D with the high hedge and subsequent rotation, trying to wear down others with shot clock violations or stops. Not gonna happen this year. Simply going to a traditional man, with shell drill team defense fundamentals would be what I'd like to see. DH knows more about defense than any of us. I just think, that he thinks he can coach them up, but 5 man out ISO's are gonna be what we will see when it matters if others do a good scout, and we dont have an answer IMO.
 
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I see a lot of talk about the high hedge in this thread, but from what I saw that isn't really what hurt us against Creighton. Kalkbrenner got below his season average on less than 50% from the floor. When the hedge isn't working, it looks more like in 2022 when Kalkbrenner went 10-14 and got 22 while running Sanogo ragged.

Our biggest issue in this game was just not being able to guard Jamiya Neal in the first half, and that comes down to Solo and Stewart. I thought Ross did a better job guarding him than either of those guys, but just isn't providing enough on offense at the moment to earn major minutes
 
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I see a lot of talk about the high hedge in this thread, but from what I saw that isn't really what hurt us against Creighton. Kalkbrenner got below his season average on less than 50% from the floor. When the hedge isn't working, it looks more like in 2022 when Kalkbrenner went 10-14 and got 22 while running Sanogo ragged.

Our biggest issue in this game was just not being able to guard Jamiya Neal in the first half, and that comes down to Solo and Stewart. I thought Ross did a better job guarding him than either of those guys, but just isn't providing enough on offense at the moment to earn major minutes
If they were able to prevent Jamiya Neal from going on his inferno, I think UConn wins this game comfortably. I have watched Creighton a lot this year. When Neal starts off cold or not doing anything, he usually remains cold or disengaged the rest of the game.

What got him going were the two easy baskets at the beginning which were a layup from Ball losing sight of him to the 25 ft straight drive to a dunk where he blew by Ball as if he was stuck in mud. Then he started hitting more difficult shots he created off of 1-on-1 moves such as step back 3s and the tough drive and shot over Stewart and Reed Jr. and at that point I was thinking "uh oh".

Role players going off against UConn unfortunately is happening too much. I keep reading UConn is unlucky with players getting hot, but when this keeps happening to UConn and not so much the other teams, it's an epidemic of bad defense from UConn. Look at Dante Maddox Jr of Xavier. He looked like Steph Curry against UConn with 22 points. It took him the next 5 games to score 22 points and that includes a 14 pt game against Seton Hall who stinks. If you eliminate the Seton Hall game, Maddox Jr has only scored 19 points total in the next 6 games after the UConn game.
 
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I love these threads in which boneyarders talk like they know more than our coaches. These coaches eat, drink and sleep basketball. Don’t you think they actually discuss every possibility? They meet every day before practice and toss around different ideas
It’s true of course but our coaches are still trying things and will ride the hot hand in many cases as they should. This ain’t paint by the numbers. I wonder how they are going to try to get Reed and Karaban more involved in the offense.
 
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Someone needs to gently remind DH we don't have Isaiah Whaley anymore. It might be time to end the high hedge

Please keep repeating this, thank you. Both 5s aren’t very good at it, one extends and doesn’t get back all the time the other extends gets back a little more but is never in rebounding position. Add to that our help defense or at least the understanding of it is horrible. I can’t tell you how many times I see the other teams kid go to the basket, beat his guy off the dribble and the weakside defenders are clinging to their guys with no idea of jumping off to help or hey, how about picking up a charge?

They’re not good on D it’s not going to change. Change some defensive strategy, maybe even some zone? But the high hedge, lose it after 1 step out no more than that!
 
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I can’t tell you how many times I see the other teams kid go to the basket, beat his guy off the dribble and the weakside defenders are clinging to their guys with no idea of jumping off to help or hey, how about picking up a charge?
Pretty sure this is a coaching philosophy decision. To not give the help D, because it would give up open 3, allowing them to attack and kick. He coaches them to stay on their men, and you are on an island defending the penetration. Hence the Iso dilemma. What Jay Wright did to us (and everyone). Against Dixon we did run a double team at times, but otherwise you need to wall up on your own. Its infuriating to see the layups without shot blocker cleaning up, due to no help D. I was yelling this 2 yrs ago but what do I know,then Danny won his first one, as the team came around. Hope it happens again?
 
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Here are the Evan Miya defensive ratings for UConn:

1) McNeeley 2.37
2) Reed 1.94
3) Diarra 1.85
4) Nowell 1.80
5) Johnson 1.34
6) Karaban 1.20
7) Mahaney 0.56
8) Ross 0.19
9) Stewart -0.34
10) Ball -0.60

For comparison, Clingan was 4.16, Castle was 2.93, Diarra was 2.47 last year.

Now, the offensive ratings:
1) Karaban 4.88
2) Diara 4.45
3) Ball 4.35
4) McNeeley 3.88
5) Johnson 3.38
6) Nowell 2.96
7) Mahaney 2.78
8) Stewart 2.28
9) Ross 2.27
10) Reed 1.75

Finally, here's a comparison between Johnson and Reed rebounds per 40 minutes:

Reed 14.5 rebounds/40 minutes
Johnson 6.0 rebounds/40 minutes

In my mind, Johnson's rebounding per 40 minutes is too low.

The bottom line, this year there are a group of players with a range of strengths and weaknesses that the coaches need to figure out how to make improvements. I think the coaches probably thought they would get defensive improvement this year from a number of players, but it really hasn't happened yet. And, UConn really needs McNeeley back.
 
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Pretty sure this is a coaching philosophy decision. To not give the help D, because it would give up open 3, allowing them to attack and kick. He coaches them to stay on their men, and you are on an island defending the penetration. Hence the Iso dilemma. What Jay Wright did to us (and everyone). Against Dixon we did run a double team at times, but otherwise you need to wall up on your own. Its infuriating to see the layups without shot blocker cleaning up, due to no help D. I was yelling this 2 yrs ago but what do I know,then Danny won his first one, as the team came around. Hope it happens again?

There is no coaching philosophy that would have you stay on your man when you see your teammate get beat and you can get in the lane, none. That’s defense 101 you would much rather force them to make a 3 than give them a dunk or lay in. You get in the way with hands out so passes don’t sneak by back to your guy. They’re not teaching anything different in those situations than that. If you can help you help.
 
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We win by making shots. We never win because we beat the hell out of the other team.
IMO a few doses of the 2-1-2, 3-2 or Box+1 Zone intermingled with the m2m would add some differnt looks and cause the opposng offenses some difficulty in adjusting. And, as soon as they adjust, switch back to m2m.
Sir, you are preaching to the choir!(at least a few choir members).
Not holding my breath though.
 
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I agree that mixing it up could help create some indecision for the opposition. Basically be a man to man defense but at times surprise the opponent with a zone. Don’t care what type just the one we are best at in practice.

My point being is how much lower in defensive metrics until we decide to make some tweaks to what is clearly not working.
Exactly
 
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There is no coaching philosophy that would have you stay on your man when you see your teammate get beat and you can get in the lane, none. That’s defense 101 you would much rather force them to make a 3 than give them a dunk or lay in. You get in the way with hands out so passes don’t sneak by back to your guy. They’re not teaching anything different in those situations than that. If you can help you help.
you ever hear of Shell drill? its the defensive 101 drill that anyone who has ever coached knows is a cornerstone of instruction. It shows that if you are two passes away, that you have a foot in the lane to be available for help. We don't usually do this (other than the hedge, when the 4 man is on way to paint to cover 5 man roll). Hence no one "can get into lane", bc they are in deny position on their men, irrespective of being 2 passes away/foot in paint. It's a choice. Quick, name me the last charge you remember from a help defender. I'll wait. We are coached to stay on shooters at 3 pt line, so usually no 2 pass away-help in lane. During the tourney we do change this up, most notably against Arkansas
 
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you ever hear of Shell drill? its the defensive 101 drill that anyone who has ever coached knows is a cornerstone of instruction. It shows that if you are two passes away, that you have a foot in the lane to be available for help. We don't usually do this (other than the hedge, when the 4 man is on way to paint to cover 5 man roll). Hence no one "can get into lane", bc they are in deny position on their men, irrespective of being 2 passes away/foot in paint. It's a choice. Quick, name me the last charge you remember from a help defender. I'll wait. We are coached to stay on shooters at 3 pt line, so usually no 2 pass away-help in lane. During the tourney we do change this up, most notably against Arkansas

Please stop it’s because we suck at reading help hence never on time to take a charge simple enough? . Any team on earth wants their players to leave their guy when they can HELP stop on a blow by whether it’s cut off or jab and retreat to make them throw a pass. This hasn’t changed ever and if you don’t know how or when to help then you’re not a good defender period. I was taught this at 11-12 years old and took charges my whole hoops life off of it. Our guys have their backs to the ball,, aren’t ready to help and are caught off guard so often it’s frustrating that’s my point. Our guys helped a ton last year even with Clingan back there, Cam being very good off the ball.
 
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IMO a few doses of the 2-1-2, 3-2 or Box+1 Zone intermingled with the m2m would add some differnt looks and cause the opposng offenses some difficulty in adjusting. And, as soon as they adjust, switch back to m2m.
The 3-2 is by far the easiest zone for a team to score against, along with the 1-3-1.
 
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Please stop it’s because we suck at reading help hence never on time to take a charge simple enough? . Any team on earth wants their players to leave their guy when they can HELP stop on a blow by whether it’s cut off or jab and retreat to make them throw a pass. This hasn’t changed ever and if you don’t know how or when to help then you’re not a good defender period. I was taught this at 11-12 years old and took charges my whole hoops life off of it. Our guys have their backs to the ball,, aren’t ready to help and are caught off guard so often it’s frustrating that’s my point. Our guys helped a ton last year even with Clingan back there, Cam being very good off the ball.
Very true about our guys turning their backs to the ball. One of the reasons we give up so many back doors
 

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IMO a few doses of the 2-1-2, 3-2 or Box+1 Zone intermingled with the m2m would add some differnt looks and cause the opposng offenses some difficulty in adjusting. And, as soon as they adjust, switch back to m2m.
I know Hurley hates that, but Calhoun did it when needed. This team needs to be harder to game plan against. We're too easy to attack. Not even close to as good as the last two years.
 

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Please stop it’s because we suck at reading help hence never on time to take a charge simple enough? . Any team on earth wants their players to leave their guy when they can HELP stop on a blow by whether it’s cut off or jab and retreat to make them throw a pass. This hasn’t changed ever and if you don’t know how or when to help then you’re not a good defender period. I was taught this at 11-12 years old and took charges my whole hoops life off of it. Our guys have their backs to the ball,, aren’t ready to help and are caught off guard so often it’s frustrating that’s my point. Our guys helped a ton last year even with Clingan back there, Cam being very good off the ball.
I have to pay more attention to our team defense but I’m shocked to hear our guys having their backs turned to the ball a lot. You’re suppose to see ball and man at all times unless cutting is happening.

Yes, help defense should also be a thing with proper rotating when doing so making drivers make the longest pass possible in the rotations. Danny has more than proven he’s an elite defensive coach though so I don’t like questioning him much there.
 
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I have to pay more attention to our team defense but I’m shocked to hear our guys having their backs turned to the ball a lot. You’re suppose to see ball and man at all times unless cutting is happening.

Yes, help defense should also be a thing with proper rotating when doing so making drivers make the longest pass possible in the rotations. Danny has more than proven he’s an elite defensive coach though so I don’t like questioning him much there.

I didn’t question Dan at all not sure if that’s what you perceived. It’s the players, their obvious shortcomings on that end.
 

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I didn’t question Dan at all not sure if that’s what you perceived. It’s the players, their obvious shortcomings on that end.
Yeah there’s a lot not to like about our players on that end. Solo especially seems to have a bad defensive stance and plays way too up and down and plays his man straight up.

He has no leverage on his slides and doesn’t force his man to any side specifically. Those things are very coachable though as long as he’s willing to give the effort to do it.
 
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I know Hurley hates that, but Calhoun did it when needed. This team needs to be harder to game plan against. We're too easy to attack. Not even close to as good as the last two years.
It's not even that Hurley hates it, it's that every time he has tried it for a few possessions it's been an unmitigated disaster
 

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Please stop it’s because we suck at reading help hence never on time to take a charge simple enough? . Any team on earth wants their players to leave their guy when they can HELP stop on a blow by whether it’s cut off or jab and retreat to make them throw a pass. This hasn’t changed ever and if you don’t know how or when to help then you’re not a good defender period. I was taught this at 11-12 years old and took charges my whole hoops life off of it. Our guys have their backs to the ball,, aren’t ready to help and are caught off guard so often it’s frustrating that’s my point. Our guys helped a ton last year even with Clingan back there, Cam being very good off the ball.
Just a question about this (charges). Haven't they changed the charge rule so it is next to impossible to get a charge called? I think I heard the announcers talking about this a few games back. Or is this only on banging into someone when "backing them down".
In any event you hardly see anyone trying to take charges like a few years back. It seems like it has to be set up and stationary when the ballhandler is like 10 feet away.
If the Big East is such a physical league why is defense so ticky tacky?
 
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Please stop it’s because we suck at reading help hence never on time to take a charge simple enough? . Any team on earth wants their players to leave their guy when they can HELP stop on a blow by whether it’s cut off or jab and retreat to make them throw a pass. This hasn’t changed ever and if you don’t know how or when to help then you’re not a good defender period. I was taught this at 11-12 years old and took charges my whole hoops life off of it. Our guys have their backs to the ball,, aren’t ready to help
Right lol. You're back is never to the ball if you are playing shell D correctly. We clearly don't. Man to man looks like a zone matchup even at times if you are doing it correctly. Unless the coaching is telling your players to stay in deny & to take away 3, regardless of how many passes you are away from the ball. Believe what you want. You think our entire defense this year can't play help D. Clearly often players have backs to ball, and its never fixed?? I say we are in deny, taking away 3 pt line, therefore shell man help principles are out window (other than your 5 man). Just watch next game, and see if we are in deny or foot in paint 2 passes away to provide help. I'll meet you back here
 
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