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Other than spite, why wouldn't the AAC keep UConn football on a reduced payout?


Yeah there are 8 people mad. No offense to you - but most of them aren’t exactly the top brass.
 
whaler11 said:
Yeah there are 8 people mad. No offense to you - but most of them aren’t exactly the top brass.
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I guess its 8 people with half a clue then
 
CL82 said:
It would have been close before the addition of UConn. I wonder if it will be more now, without football. Agree re SNY side deals. I wonder about the impact on our Nike and IMG deals but we've just renegotiated them.
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Hmmmmm.

Perhaps this actually answers the timing question (i.e. why "now"), right @Excalibur and @Fishy ?
 
Dream Jobbed 2.0 said:
NO ONE really WANTS TO BE THERE
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Don't mistake rubbing one out to Playboy to being unsatisfied with your wife.

Sure, who wouldn't want to be with Pam Anderson.. but, at the end of the day, no one is trading a spot in the 6th richest conference for anything short of a winning lottery ticket, unless their school is in utter financial ruin.
 
jrazz12 said:
Yeah "big boy conference."

UCF's 25-0 record getting shunned from playoff consideration would like a word with you
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Auburns undefeated record got shunned in the SEC in 2004. That's a political game.
 
StunningSteve said:
Don't mistake rubbing one out to Playboy to being unsatisfied with your wife.

Sure, who wouldn't want to be with Pam Anderson.. but, at the end of the day, no one is trading a spot in the 6th richest conference for anything short of a winning lottery ticket, unless their school is in utter financial ruin.
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The Pam Anderson reference shows you are super in touch.
 
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StunningSteve said:
no one is trading a spot in the 6th richest conference for anything short of a winning lottery ticket, unless their school is in utter financial ruin.
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Lol, Steve, I'm not a cheerleader for this deal, but the American's status as the G5 conference with the best gross media deal really doesn't justify lumping it in with the P5. FWIW, on a net basis particularly, I think the next NBE deal will be better than American's deal, and that's without football. UConn will bemuch better off financially when you add in the likely T3 rights sale to SNY.... and we still will won't be close to the P5 schools.

That doesn't make the move the right choice, necessarily. Respectfully, your attempt to equate the American with the P5 is silly.
 
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Madmannsucks said:
Pretty simple to me. They took all the sports that have any value from the conference. The football team has no following(attendance or TV). Who wants to broadcast a 59-27 loss in a 40000 seat stadium with between 3000 to 12000 fans?
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You're just Mad because OUR GIRLS are worth more than your damnable "like-every-other" Football team in the south. Truth is ... it is a pittance.
 
MustangMan said:
UConn took all the valuable content (BB). If ESPN gets a discount, it will be for the loss of basketball games. Football has little to no value.

Why would the AAC (or ESPN) pay anything to keep UConn FB?
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ESPN will want a conference championship game. If the NCAA says they need divisions to have one, they're going to add someone. There is no better option that would join than us. And we'd take a reduced payout on top of that fact. Not only is whoever else they'd consider a worse value, they also would probably want a path to a full payout down the line.
 
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CL82 said:
Lol, Steve, I'm not a cheerleader for this deal, but the American's status as the G5 conference with the best gross media deal really doesn't justify lumping it in with the P5. FWIW, on a net basis particularly, I think the next NBE deal will be better than American's deal, and that's without football. UConn will be financially better much better off when you add in the likely T3 rights sale to SNY.

That doesn't make the move the right choice, necessarily. Respectfully, your attempt to equate the American with the P5 is silly.
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Exactly right.

The economics - short term - clearly favor the Big East for us. It just is that simple no matter what someone from Memphis or Dallas wants to intuit. We need to make this move - IMHO - because our Fanbase were tired of soulless games against most of a league we don't care about. Indy is going to suck; we won't have any path to P5 (even though our Athletic Excellence is better than about 55 of those schools). We bit the bullitt. And it isn't easy. But it is not for whatever you think the economics will be. If Memphis with Penny is top 4 in the country, we still are going to prefer going to Philly to see UConn play Villanova or MSG to see a handful of these BE.
 
CL82 said:
Lol, Steve, I'm not a cheerleader for this deal, but the American's status as the G5 conference with the best gross media deal really doesn't justify lumping it in with the P5. FWIW, on a net basis particularly, I think the next NBE deal will be better than American's deal, and that's without football. UConn will be financially better much better off when you add in the likely T3 rights sale to SNY.

That doesn't make the move the right choice, necessarily. Respectfully, your attempt to equate the American with the P5 is silly.
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Sure, its easy to claim "status" but what does that mean? It's always going to be an arms race. Once access was negotiated into the NY6, the objective was to separate financially in the race for that bid (so its as close to a defacto New Years Day bowl as possible).
On top of that, negotiating a bowl slate with primarily autonomy teams was important, and achieved for the most part.
Increasing linear coverage on ESPN with payouts that approach 10 million with all of the revenue streams included, is pretty decent.

I don't think anyone knows what the landscape will look like by the time the NBE's 12 year deal runs out. Right now UConn's addition is a Hail Mary pass from Fox to try and bolster ratings to justify the current 4 million.

That's not a good sign for what's to come of Catholic basketball on that fledgling channel. There are many reasons why it hasn't gotten Old Big East like ratings for the watered down version.
 
StunningSteve said:
Sure, its easy to claim "status" but what does that mean? It's always going to be an arms race. Once access was negotiated into the NY6, the objective was to separate financially in the race for that bid (so its as close to a defacto New Years Day bowl as possible).
On top of that, negotiating a bowl slate with primarily autonomy teams was important, and achieved for the most part.
Increasing linear coverage on ESPN with payouts that approach 10 million with all of the revenue streams included, is pretty decent.

I don't think anyone knows what the landscape will look like by the time the NBE's 12 year deal runs out. Right now UConn's addition is a Hail Mary pass from Fox to try and bolster ratings to justify the current 4 million.

That's not a good sign for what's to come of Catholic basketball on that fledgling channel. There are many reasons why it hasn't gotten Old Big East like ratings for the watered down version.
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Missing the point Steve. It is dumb to treat the American and P5 leagues as equivalent. They aren't. But UConn will make more money in year 1 of joining the NBE, with the existing contract, than it will make in the American. Remember that the $7.2M is the figure for the the end of the deal and is before each school paying for its own production costs. It was hardly a windfall.
 
KSC94 said:
ESPN can renegotiate the deal. However, Navy's AD and media members have said we mean so little to ESPN that our exclusion would be negligible.
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Isn’t Gladchuck from BC? Could explain the attitude.
 
KSC94 said:
ESPN will want a conference championship game. If the NCAA says they need divisions to have one, they're going to add someone. There is no better option that would join than us. And we'd take a reduced payout on top of that fact. Not only is whoever else they'd consider a worse value, they also would probably want a path to a full payout down the line.
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They can have a conference championship with 11 teams (The Big12 does it with 10).
 
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CL82 said:
Missing the point Steve. It is dumb to treat the American and P5 leagues as equivalent. They aren't. But UConn will make more money in year 1 of joining the NBE, with the existing contract, than it will make in the American. Remember that the $7.2M is the figure for the the end of the deal and is before each school paying for its own production costs. It was hardly a windfall.
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No leagues are equivalent.

If you really believe that the 1 million dollar SNY deal was worth killing football and paying a 12 million dollar exit fee, that's your prerogative. I wont try to convince you otherwise.

If you believe the old folks are too dementia'd out to learn new technology to pipe in their games, that's fine too. I understand that there are a lot of laggards out there who grimace at the early adopters. I'm sure some of those folks enjoy the snap of their flip phones and pretend they are Captian Kirk from Star Trek...

It just seems like there's this detachment from the real world around here, and it's not coming from my satisfaction with the ESPN deal. I appreciate UConn's contribution, and I realize the ancillary equity that was put into building something new.

It's a lot to walk away from... But, to each their own... I wont begrudge you your right to watch your games on the set you've had for the last decade, and pretend you're rejoining your former league. Good luck with that. I'd say that the AAC is closer to the autonomy leagues than the NBE is to the old Big East. Who did Nova beat in the tournament this year? It must have been something else. I can't remember.
 
Well … $7 ain't 10. And it is a long way from $35m.

For every Memphis Tiger fan crowing about their bowls or the SMU (school that averaged 17,000 attendance the last two years) … we have made the difficult decision. Fans matter. We know we can get to MSG in 10,000 strong and feel our oats again. That will always be important in the College landscape.
 
A lot of this bickering has to do with a fact no one is mentioning. We are literally the only AAC school with options of any kind. Nobody else could follow us, period. Nobody else has an SNY option. People are so sick of our “arrogance”. The perceived arrogance is actually painful mourning of the loss of power status mixed with the truth that we are a fish out of water as evidenced by us being the only school with options. Despite our supposed lack of power and weak football, we have a network deal in NYC and the Big East welcoming us back with fanfare. We are not an AAC level school. We are something more. This is another chapter in the destruction of a once great AD. It is not a crappy, lowly AD finally admitting it is a failure as some try to frame it.
 
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StunningSteve said:
No leagues are equivalent.

If you really believe that the 1 million dollar SNY deal was worth killing football and paying a 12 million dollar exit fee, that's your prerogative. I wont try to convince you otherwise.

If you believe the old folks are too dementia'd out to learn new technology to pipe in their games, that's fine too. I understand that there are a lot of laggards out there who grimace at the early adopters. I'm sure some of those folks enjoy the snap of their flip phones and pretend they are Captian Kirk from Star Trek...

It just seems like there's this detachment from the real world around here, and it's not coming from my satisfaction with the ESPN deal. I appreciate UConn's contribution, and I realize the ancillary equity that was put into building something new.

It's a lot to walk away from... But, to each their own... I wont begrudge you your right to watch your games on the set you've had for the last decade, and pretend you're rejoining your former league. Good luck with that. I'd say that the AAC is closer to the autonomy leagues than the NBE is to the old Big East. Who did Nova beat in the tournament this year? It must have been something else. I can't remember.
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we dont want to be associated with you. you can move past rationalization and onto acceptance.
 
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UConnRock said:
How much will SNY or some other entity pay for full control of UConn football broadcasts as an independent? That is likely a discussion that has already occurred. Is there any value? Is there a package with UConn women and potentially other sports? We are not BYU, buy there is certainly more interest than other independent schools such as UMass or Army.

I refuse to believe that SNY was not a player in this decision. They had a cash cow in the women's program that was eliminated by the AAC contract.
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This. Frontier dropped SNY earlier this year and CT is a tough market for them because there aren’t enough Mets fans to force cable carriers’ hands. Losing the UConn women would have been a huge blow to SNY if we had stayed in the AAC.

I truly hope the school worked something out with SNY for WBB + football before we left the AAC (i.e. when we had all the leverage), and is not just getting around to it now. I suppose we’ll find out soon enough.
 
StunningSteve said:
Whaler, You're back! As I said, nothing but love here.
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While I appreciate the love and bear no ill will towards you personally - not having to worry about things such as Memphis State or Too Lane anymore really has put me in a good mood.
 
For the record, I am not mad or upset. UConn IMO was in a good (Not p 5) conference that is clearly on the rise. The conference IMO sold itself short with the ESPN deal. With all that was spent to upgrade the football program, it would appear this was a decision that was made rather quickly. The hoops programs have a chance to thrive. For the time being, no one else does.
 
We are a Athletic Department of Excellence. Over decades. The "we will figure it out" mode … belies a long history of success.

A Jim Calhoun - best Program builder in College Basketball. A Geno Auriemma - the finest Womens' Sport team ever. A Jim Penders - the best Northeast Baseball team despite challenges. A Joe Marrone - the longtime National contender in Soccer & attendance leading Program for decades. Men's Hockey - from low level playing on an Outdoor rink to the finest Hockey Conference in America - Hockey East. (*whaler11 - I left out the Field Hockey champions for your benefit)

Entitle Program Building Head Coaches to pursue Excellence. Today - we need HCRE to come through

So … WE are on this board with a bunch of traditional Connecticut /New England curmudgeon types. We need to energize the youth stakeholders & rabidly follow out teams - like we used to.
 
VAHuskyFan said:
This. Frontier dropped SNY earlier this year and CT is a tough market for them because there aren’t enough Mets fans to force cable carriers’ hands. Losing the UConn women would have been a huge blow to SNY if we had stayed in the AAC.

I truly hope the school worked something out with SNY for WBB + football before we left the AAC (i.e. when we had all the leverage), and is not just getting around to it now. I suppose we’ll find out soon enough.
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Maybe $2-$3M per year from SNY for football / WBB / occasional baseball + the Fox MBB deal would work. Add this to a couple of P5 $1M visits a year would cover lots of costs
 
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