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Btw just to help my guy Justice, he wasn't exactly a sub replacement level player, he was an all-star level player.

The comparison isn't crazy nor perfect, for cryin' out loud.

Argue, argue, argue.
 
Mr. French said:
Btw just to help my guy Justice, he wasn't exactly a sub replacement level player, he was an all-star level player.

The comparison isn't crazy nor perfect, for cryin' out loud.

Argue, argue, argue.
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Yeah but Bonds is arguably the best player to ever play unless you’re comparing him to the elite in the HOF it’s pretty crazy.
 
Mr. French said:
Btw just to help my guy Justice, he wasn't exactly a sub replacement level player, he was an all-star level player.

The comparison isn't crazy nor perfect, for cryin' out loud.

Argue, argue, argue.
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He's one of the best playoff performers and an all-star level player who won't make the Hall, that's why I brought him up.
 
FartMan69 said:
Yeah but Bonds is arguably the best player to ever play unless you’re comparing him to the elite in the HOF it’s pretty crazy.
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Well not really, in this case, since he was comparing an all time great pitcher to a just below HOF pitcher who did great in the playoffs.

Again, it's neither completely perfect nor completely insane as a comparison.
 
NielsisGood said:
Schilling is an arguable case for the HoF, Justice is not. Kershaw is an ATG but not likely to go down as the greatest pitcher ever. Bonds is the best hitter ever at his peak, and arguably the best positional player ever.

You made an obvious comparison that wasn't really necessary. My annoyance toward you is the fact that you decided to randomly take a more extreme example and compare that directly to Kershaw/Schilling, even though nobody had said Schilling was better overall than Kershaw. Pretty ironic you're asking me if I like to argue given the content of the totally unnecessary comparison you had made for the sake of being able to chime in and argue. Unsurprising given who it's coming from though, since that's your gimmick. Argue and try to be as big a as possible.
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Bonds is not the best hitter at his peak. His peak years you speak of he was in HGH monster. Previous to those years where he was clearly taking HGH he was a first-ballot hall-of-famer but that wasn't good enough for him. It took him to take HGH to put up those historic seasons has surpassed Babe Ruth Honus Wagner Roger Hornsby and other amazing offense of years of other players. But if you look at the top 25-50 of the greatest offensive seasons of all time Babe Ruth is the greatest offensive player of all time bar none.

Ted Williams is the greatest hitter of all time and it pains me to say it Manny Ramirez might have been the greatest right handed hitter of all time
 
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methodology said:
Bonds is not the best hitter at his peak. His peak years you speak of he was in HGH monster. Previous to those years where he was clearly taking HGH he was a first-ballot hall-of-famer but that wasn't good enough for him. It took him to take HGH to put up those historic seasons has surpassed Babe Ruth Honus Wagner Roger Hornsby and other amazing offense of years of other players. But if you look at the top 25-50 of the greatest offensive seasons of all time Babe Ruth is the greatest offensive player of all time bar none.

Ted Williams is the greatest hitter of all time and it pains me to say it Manny Ramirez might have been the greatest right handed hitter of all time
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Manny was also on roids and Ruth played in an all white league but he was so much better than anyone else from that era. Your point about Bonds is true though, a truly great all around player (3 MVP's) who would have been first ballot Hall of fame who was sick of seeing McGwire and Sosa get all the accolades so he made himself superhuman in his late 30's. Without the drugs he was nowhere near the best hitter of all-time, his own godfather was a better hitter.
 
methodology said:
Bonds is not the best hitter at his peak. His peak years you speak of he was in HGH monster. Previous to those years where he was clearly taking HGH he was a first-ballot hall-of-famer but that wasn't good enough for him. It took him to take HGH to put up those historic seasons has surpassed Babe Ruth Honus Wagner Roger Hornsby and other amazing offense of years of other players. But if you look at the top 25-50 of the greatest offensive seasons of all time Babe Ruth is the greatest offensive player of all time bar none.

Ted Williams is the greatest hitter of all time and it pains me to say it Manny Ramirez might have been the greatest right handed hitter of all time
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Bonds was an HGH monster when the majority of the league was taking stuff. He was still far and away the best hitter. From 2000-04 Bonds went .339/.535/.781 and 51.1 WAR. Nobody in the post segregation history of baseball can match that stat line, and only Mays has a better 5 year WAR. I'm personally not particularly inclined to ignore the numbers due to Bonds being a juiced out monster when that was the norm for the time and MLB was complicit in players using during that era post-strike.


Not sure if Manny is the best RHH ever, but he definitely has the best righty swing I've ever seen, especially whenever he'd launch a ball oppo.
 
methodology said:
Bonds is not the best hitter at his peak. His peak years you speak of he was in HGH monster. Previous to those years where he was clearly taking HGH he was a first-ballot hall-of-famer but that wasn't good enough for him. It took him to take HGH to put up those historic seasons has surpassed Babe Ruth Honus Wagner Roger Hornsby and other amazing offense of years of other players. But if you look at the top 25-50 of the greatest offensive seasons of all time Babe Ruth is the greatest offensive player of all time bar none.

Ted Williams is the greatest hitter of all time and it pains me to say it Manny Ramirez might have been the greatest right handed hitter of all time
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Arod is the best RH hitter of all time and I’m a diehard Sox fan. Manny is up there though
 
Not going to happen often but when looking at Pujols I have to agree, these 2 were much more comparable than I thought. Albert had a phenomenal run of consistency with BA (higher than ARod)/HR/RBI if you take a solid 12 years in a row vs ARod. Pujols had some nice .330 plus years with 40 plus HR's while ARod was always around .310 area give or take and maybe a little bugger HR and RBI but damn these guys were real close. Rod had a couple more huge years but this argument can be heard both ways, no winners or losers here. 2 great impact hitters.
 
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mauconnfan said:
Not going to happen often but when looking at Pujols I have to agree, these 2 were much more comparable than I thought. Albert had a phenomenal run of consistency with BA (higher than ARod)/HR/RBI if you take a solid 12 years in a row vs ARod. Pujols had some nice .330 plus years with 40 plus HR's while ARod was always around .310 area give or take and maybe a little bugger HR and RBI but damn these guys were real close. Rod had a couple more huge years but this argument can be heard both ways, no winners or losers here. 2 great impact hitters.
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Consider, Pujols has 3 MVPs, but came in second to roided-up Barry Bonds 2x and hit 49 HRs while batting 33o but came in second to Ryan Howard (who had a very good year, but lower WAR, lower OPS, lower everything but HR and RBI).

I think Pujols is the greatest hitter I've seen who isn't obviously roided up. And he might approach 700 HRs.
 
tzznandrew said:
Consider, Pujols has 3 MVPs, but came in second to roided-up Barry Bonds 2x and hit 49 HRs while batting 33o but came in second to Ryan Howard (who had a very good year, but lower WAR, lower OPS, lower everything but HR and RBI).

I think Pujols is the greatest hitter I've seen who isn't obviously roided up. And he might approach 700 HRs.
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Just a great all around hitter too. Power, eye, contact skills. I think he goes over 700, he still has 4 years left on his contract for massive money that he won't walk away from, and even if he doesn't get to 700 in those 4 years, he probably ends up close enough to take a swansong year with somebody just to get that mark.
 
NielsisGood said:
I'd put Pujols above Arod. His 10-11 year run with the Cards was incredible.
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Oh totally, the consistency Pujols had in the 00's is criminally underappreciated but watching and hating Arod for SOOO many years has me biased. Both had swings that every RH should model themselves after, Manny not so much but I think he had the most "pure" power out of all of them. I grew up in the steroid era so it's hard for me to really care about individuals and what they took because IMO the entire league was tainted and that part of baseball history shouldn't be erased.
 
FartMan69 said:
Oh totally, the consistency Pujols had in the 00's is criminally underappreciated but watching and hating Arod for SOOO many years has me biased. Both had swings that every RH should model themselves after, Manny not so much but I think he had the most "pure" power out of all of them. I grew up in the steroid era so it's hard for me to really care about individuals and what they took because IMO the entire league was tainted and that part of baseball history shouldn't be erased.
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Manny had the best swing of the 3, then Arod, then about 600 other guys from that era, then Pujols. His stance and swing is not something you'd teach a little leaguer.
 
Dodgers are just loaded, the Astros have no margin for error, Verlander and Keuchel have to be practically perfect against this lineup, now Astros have to PH for Verlander here.
 
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Dodgers are by far the best team in baseball, have been from start to finish. Bummed the Yankees didn't make the World Series but they wouldn't have beaten the Dodgers.
 
This was as big of a must win without actually being one with Verlander on the bump. 'Stros are toast.
 
mauconnfan said:
Not going to happen often but when looking at Pujols I have to agree, these 2 were much more comparable than I thought. Albert had a phenomenal run of consistency with BA (higher than ARod)/HR/RBI if you take a solid 12 years in a row vs ARod. Pujols had some nice .330 plus years with 40 plus HR's while ARod was always around .310 area give or take and maybe a little bugger HR and RBI but damn these guys were real close. Rod had a couple more huge years but this argument can be heard both ways, no winners or losers here. 2 great impact hitters.
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I always thought Pujols was clearly the better hitter but the lifetime numbers will be pretty damn close. One thing you have to factor in is that we know ARod was on PED's for most of his career, we don't know for sure about Pujols.
 
superjohn said:
Dodgers are by far the best team in baseball, have been from start to finish. Bummed the Yankees didn't make the World Series but they wouldn't have beaten the Dodgers.
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Yeah exactly, which means the Yankees will have to load up if they wanna win it all down the line against a team like this, as long as they go about it the smart way and not get locked into longterm contracts. Just keep staying the course, with the young guys.
 
Scoe said:
Yeah exactly, which means the Yankees will have to load up if they wanna win it all down the line against a team like this, as long as they go about it the smart way and not get locked into longterm contracts. Just keep staying the course, with the young guys.
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Dodgers are a very good team no doubt, but the Stros bats haven't shown up on the road all postseason either. Dodgers have a lot of contracts coming off the books the next couple of years, they'll lose some depth but they'll be real players for Harper, which would give them an insanely stacked core for however long Kershaw and even Turner remain close to their current level.
 
NielsisGood said:
Dodgers are a very good team no doubt, but the Stros bats haven't shown up on the road all postseason either. Dodgers have a lot of contracts coming off the books the next couple of years, they'll lose some depth but they'll be real players for Harper, which would give them an insanely stacked core for however long Kershaw and even Turner remain close to their current level.
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Dodgers, Cubs and Yankees will all be major players for Harper.
 
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Scoe said:
Dodgers, Cubs and Yankees will all be major players for Harper.
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I don't view the Cubs as being truly serious contenders for Harper. The only times Theo has handed out massive contracts like that were under immense pressure from Sox ownership. The Lester contract was actually under market value considering what other pitchers got soon after.

Gut feeling is that the Dodgers are the favorites for Harper, if only because they're the team with the least regard for the tax threshold, and because of what they were willing to pay Kershaw.
 
It will be very interesting to see how the Dodgers respond to getting punched in the face, they haven't faced a lot of adversity this year.
 
Scoe said:
It will be very interesting to see how the Dodgers respond to getting punched in the face, they haven't faced a lot of adversity this year.
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Wow, that pitcher basically gave up 2 homers and a double in like 3 or 4 pitches.
 
superjohn said:
Wow, that pitcher basically gave up 2 homers and a double in like 3 or 4 pitches.
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Its not over yet, I dont trust the Astros pen.
 
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NielsisGood said:
Giles s*** the bed. Shocking. What a crazy game.
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Huge blown opportunity there, now the Astros have used up their pen and used up the bat of Beltran, and the ump gets drilled lol.
 
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