OT Will There be Tebow Magic in Foxboro Today?

[meyers7]

These athletes must know that a certain part of the fan base may be offended.

If that offends people, they need to be offended.

 

[meyers7]

Yes the pats are doing fine its a damn shame isn't it.

It's justice.

 

[alexrgct]

Awesome. Now Tebow has more time to go to the philippines and try to convert a country that's 95% catholic to christianity.

What a pompous, self-important ostentatious goober. God doesn't care about your football career. If anything, he clearly favors Tom Brady. Who's led a more charmed existence than that guy? Hell, God wanted the Steelers to lose to Denver so that the Pats would have an easier opponent.

 

[RoyDodger]

If that offends people, they need to be offended.

There is a reason why religion was specially dealt with in the first amendment of our Constitution by our founding fathers. That's because religion has always been a very special and sensitive subject that has brought a great deal of strife and grief throughout human history. Need I mention the Crusades, the Inquisition, and the Holocaust? Need I mention the desire of so many of the people who originally came to this part of the world in order to seek religious freedom or at least freedom to worship as they chose? Need I mention the internecine strife that has gone on in our lifetimes in places like Ireland and the Middle East?

I'm not trying to make more of this than is necessary, but I want to point out the reasons why many are offended by overt specific religious behavior in inappropriate (public) situations. Religion belongs in appropriate places: one's place of worship, in one's home, and in one's heart. It doesn't belong in places of entertainment such as on the football field or baseball diamond.

 

[meyers7]

Religion belongs in appropriate places: one's place of worship, in one's home, and in one's heart. It doesn't belong in places of entertainment such as on the football field or baseball diamond.

Well I am certainly happy you didn't have any input in writing the Constitution. It is really "open-minded" of you to allow people to have their compartmentalized religion. Sure wouldn't want them to carry that "religion/faith" over into their everyday lives.

Geez, some people.

 

[HuskyNan]

Awesome. Now Tebow has more time to go to the philippines and try to convert a country that's 95% catholic to christianity.

What a pompous, self-important ostentatious goober. God doesn't care about your football career. If anything, he clearly favors Tom Brady. Who's led a more charmed existence than that guy? Hell, God wanted the Steelers to lose to Denver so that the Pats would have an easier opponent.

Is he pompous? My impression is that he's actually rather self-effacing but for some reason the press that covered him in college and now in the pros want to gush over him.

 

[meyers7]

What a pompous, self-important ostentatious goober. .

You really don't know much about him. He's probably done more good for people than you will ever do.

 

[meyers7]

Is he pompous? My impression is that he's actually rather self-effacing but for some reason the press that covered him in college and now in the pros want to gush over him.

Exactly!

 

[HuskyNan]

Can we please not do the "religion in sports" thing in this thread? Besides, wasn't this topic beaten to death in the previous pledge of allegiance threads?

 

[RoyDodger]

Meyers, it is ironic that you have a quote from Lily Tomlin in your signature line. Here are a few Lily Tomlin quotes from an interview she gave in 2005. These quotes seem somehow appropriate to someone who thinks that people deserve to be offended by someone else's overt religious activities in a public place.

• The larger picture is really to swing people's awareness of what really is moral. ... There are great clergy-people who absolutely do not agree with this. It's not whether God is on our side or whether we're doing God's will, it's being so narcissistic as to think that God is telling you what to do.

• The point I want to make is, the idea that people will say — out of the 170,000 people or however many were killed in the tsunami — they'll say, "God saved me." As if God particularly saved this person. There's a tremendous amount of narcissism in that belief, that God is speaking directly to you. I mean, it's unbelievable. ... All these disparate opinions and points of view that people say they're getting as direct divine guidance — I've been concerned for decades about presidents who claim to be born again. And knowing that everyone I knew in the fundamentalist church or in the evangelical Christian church — they wanted the rapture to come. ... We don't have to save the environment, because we're not going to be around.

And attributed to Lily Tomlin:

"When we talk to god, it's prayer. When god talks to us, it's schizophrenia.
-Lily Tomlin, American actress"

 

[RoyDodger]

Can we please not do the "religion in sports" thing in this thread? Besides, wasn't this topic beaten to death in the previous pledge of allegiance threads?

Nan: I didn't see your message before I posted, but I felt that a discussion of Tim Tebow's religious activity in an OT thread was particularly relevant. I will post no more on the subject.

 

[Cafe Poliziano]

Can we please not do the "religion in sports" thing in this thread? Besides, wasn't this topic beaten to death in the previous pledge of allegiance threads?

Makes me think of the Princes Bride, "there is a difference between all the way dead and mostly dead....... our friend here is only mostly dead

 

[Kibitzer]

I have my views ("Let God watch the game without being interrupted by customer service calls.") that I posted in that Pledge of Allegiance thread.

Let me add some expert testimony from The Gospel of Matthew 6:5-8.

"When you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen."

 

[HuskyNan]

Nan: I didn't see your message before I posted, but I felt that a discussion of Tim Tebow's religious activity in an OT thread was particularly relevant. I will post no more on the subject.

The thread is about football.

 

[alexrgct]

You really don't know much about him. He's probably done more good for people than you will ever do.

Actually I do. He supports a backwards, reactionary regressive interpretation of Christianity, one that is dangerous, horrifying, and repressive. This isnt a out "religion and sports"; this is about a guy and his family using sports to push the agenda of the evangelical right, and I am not ok with it. He has done no good for anyone. Missions? Please- it's a phony excuse to push his antiquated view of the world on people who are already Christian and desperately modernity, not his wretched, antiquated view of the world. He is dangerous, pompous, and on top of that, a crappy quarterback. Watching him get his ass kicked yesterday was a joy.

 

[RoyDodger]

The thread is about football.

Nan, as you can see, I'm not the only one who thinks that a discussion of Tim Tebow goes beyond simply a discussion of football.

 

[ctfjr]

Actually I do. He supports a backwards, reactionary regressive interpretation of Christianity, one that is dangerous, horrifying, and repressive. This isnt a out "religion and sports"; this is about a guy and his family using sports to push the agenda of the evangelical right, and I am not ok with it. He has done no good for anyone. Missions? Please- it's a phony excuse to push his antiquated view of the world on people who are already Christian and desperately modernity, not his wretched, antiquated view of the world. He is dangerous, pompous, and on top of that, a crappy quarterback. Watching him get his ass kicked yesterday was a joy.

lol - don't hold back, how do you really feel?

As a long long time Pats fan, I felt mildly miffed all week whenever I read a sports section. They seemed awfully filled with Tebow trivia & little about the Pats or their superstar qb.

 

[Adios]

Magic is forbidden in Christianity. lol

 

[EricSD]

i totally agree with Alex and Roy but getting back to the skill of Tebow - i don't think he's that talented. but he DID rev up a fan base in Denver into a frenzy. and the team did make it to the playoffs winning a game in the process. good for them, i guess. but i watched a couple of analysts after the game, who are much more intelligent than I when it comes to discussing football and they made a lot of sense...

they both agreed Tebow was an average talent (when it comes to NFL Q-backs). he's strong and mobile and a good scrambler/runner (not as good as Vick of course), but he's an awful passer and can't pass on the run. therefore, if Denver wants to keep him, they need to run offense that accentuates his strengths and mask his glaring weaknesses. the problem is (according to them) that the offense they needed to run is a "fad" offense, like the wildcat, and others. teams early in the season did not figure out how to play against it...

New England, however, had the defense down perfectly, and all a team has to do is watch NE's defense to know exactly how to stop Denver. it remains to be seen if Denver's fad offense can be sustained for any length of time.

i thought that analysis was really interesting and while i was thrilled to see Tebow get his ass handed to him, it's possible that Denver can potentially have some success with him at the helm. it's a great "story" as the media was all over it, and it's great for the fans, but ultimately, according to them, it won't be great for winning.

 

[DaddyChoc]

Watching him get his ass kicked yesterday was a joy.

I agree... Tom Brady, Gronkowski & Hernandez, all performed well yesterday!

 

[meyers7]

Can we please not do the "religion in sports" thing in this thread? Besides, wasn't this topic beaten to death in the previous pledge of allegiance threads?

Yes it was.

 

[meyers7]

Actually I do. He supports a backwards, reactionary regressive interpretation of Christianity, one that is dangerous, horrifying, and repressive. This isnt a out "religion and sports"; this is about a guy and his family using sports to push the agenda of the evangelical right, and I am not ok with it. He has done no good for anyone. Missions? Please- it's a phony excuse to push his antiquated view of the world on people who are already Christian and desperately modernity, not his wretched, antiquated view of the world. He is dangerous, pompous, and on top of that, a crappy quarterback. Watching him get his ass kicked yesterday was a joy.

I was right, you know absolutely nothing about him.

 

[meyers7]

lol - don't hold back, how do you really feel?

As a long long time Pats fan, I felt mildly miffed all week whenever I read a sports section. They seemed awfully filled with Tebow trivia & little about the Pats or their superstar qb.

And Brady certainly reminded them.

 

[meyers7]

Meyers, it is ironic that you have a quote from Lily Tomlin in your signature line.

Why? My signature line has nothing to do with what is being discussed.

These quotes seem somehow appropriate to someone who thinks that people deserve to be offended by someone else's overt religious activities in a public place.

I'm sure she's said a lot of silly things, she's a comedian.

 

[ctchamps]

I really don't care for Denver or the Pats, though I would like to see Mr. tuck rule not win a playoff game for four straight years, that would be great. I over heard someone about six months ago say is it coincidence that the pats have not won a playoff game since they got caught cheating.... Heres to Tebow and his boys pasting the brady bunch.

To expand upon this logic, it appears the Pats were forgiven.

 

[cardfan]

Nan, as you can see, I'm not the only one who thinks that a discussion of Tim Tebow goes beyond simply a discussion of football.

agree. A recent poll showed Tebow is the most popular professional athlete. His popularity is due to his Christian beliefs and volunteer work off the field as much as Ftball and QB skills. Both discussions are relevant.

 

[Dairyair]

Is he pompous? My impression is that he's actually rather self-effacing but for some reason the press that covered him in college and now in the pros want to gush over him.

The press is the entity making a big deal out of Tebow's actions...so typical of the press: build someone up to knock them down. If the press hadn't made such a big deal out of his actions, NO ONE WOULD CARE ABOUT TEBOW ONE WAY OR ANOTHER!

 

[cardfan]

The press is the entity making a big deal out of Tebow's actions...so typical of the press: build someone up to knock them down. If the press hadn't made such a big deal out of his actions, NO ONE WOULD CARE ABOUT TEBOW ONE WAY OR ANOTHER!

It's not entirely all on the media. Tebow appeared in a controversial anti-abortion TV ad that aired during the Super Bowl last year and another pro christian ad during his game last night.

Link

 

[ddminct]

It's not entirely all on the media. Tebow appeared in a controversial anti-abortion TV ad that aired during the Super Bowl last year and another pro christian ad during his game last night.

Link

BS it was only controversial because pro abortion people thought it was. Tell me what is so controversial about this ad.

PAM TEBOW: I call him my miracle baby. He almost didn't make it into this world. I remember so many times when I almost lost him. It was so hard. Well he's all grown up now, and I still worry about his health. Everybody treats him like he's different, but to me, he's just my baby. He's my Timmy, and I love him.
TIM TEBOW: Thanks mom. Love you too

 

[cardfan]

BS it was only controversial because pro abortion people thought it was. Tell me what is so controversial about this ad.

PAM TEBOW: I call him my miracle baby. He almost didn't make it into this world. I remember so many times when I almost lost him. It was so hard. Well he's all grown up now, and I still worry about his health. Everybody treats him like he's different, but to me, he's just my baby. He's my Timmy, and I love him.
TIM TEBOW: Thanks mom. Love you too

The group Focus on the Family who created and paid $$$$ for the ad, is clearly anti-abortion, even if the message in the ad was spun to be more generic.

from Wiki:
The group supports the teaching of what it considers to be traditional family values. It advocates school sponsored prayer and supports corporal punishment. It strongly opposes LGBT rights, abortion, pornography, legalized gambling,and pre-marital and extramarital sexual activity. Focus on the Family also embraces and reflects the wider political agenda of its audience, for instance promoting a religiously-centered conception of American identity and the support of Israel.

Focus on the Family maintains a strong pro-life stand against abortion, and provides grant funding and medical training to assist crisis pregnancy centers (also known as pregnancy resource centers) in obtaining ultrasound machines. The organization has been staunchly opposed to public funding for elective abortions. According to the organization, this funding, which has allowed CPCs to provide pregnant women with live sonogram images of the developing fetus, has led directly to the birth of over 1500 babies who would have otherwise been aborted.