OT Way OT: Brown, MIT murders link?

[TheHorde]

No! He saw the car the guy was driving. It wasn't parked in the building. He recognized the guy FROM THE PHOTOS, and linked him to the car.

"Up until that point, the police affidavit says officials had not connected a vehicle to the possible shooter."

Tipster using Reddit was key in cracking Brown University shooting case, police say

Information from a tipster who posted on Reddit about a strange encounter with another man was key in cracking the Brown University and MIT shootings cases, police say.

www.cbsnews.com

Do you think that cameras MIGHT have caught the perp sooner perhaps even while he was alive? If you had a loved one, perhaps even a young female, don’t you think it’s incumbent on a wealthy university to protect its students? What a take wow.

 

[StllH8L8ner]

Amateur. I’ve got 30, 35, 40 year grudges going.

See: my handle. 😂

 

[NJHusky]

Those should be cheap and on every floor in every building, with an alarm. One shot and everybody locks their doors. It won't prevent shootings, but it would save an awful lot of lives.

And immediately tell police where the event occurred

 

[temery]

Do you think that cameras MIGHT have caught the perp sooner perhaps even while he was alive? If you had a loved one, perhaps even a young female, don’t you think it’s incumbent on a wealthy university to protect its students? What a take wow.

How? Did he pull his mask off and hold up his driver's license to the camera? more cameras in that building would've done absolutely nothing to help catch the guy unless he literally identified himself on camera.

 

[TheHorde]

How? Did he pull his mask off and hold up his driver's license to the camera? more cameras in that building would've done absolutely nothing to help catch the guy unless he literally identified himself on camera.

So every perpetrator of a crime ever going forward will always have a mask on with no identifying characteristics like hair color, height, build, ear shape etc being visible? What happens if some sort of sexual assault takes place on the campus with someone emboldened knowing that university doesn’t have adequate surveillance? Tell me what the argument is in favor of not having a state of the art surveillance on an Ivy League campus with a multi billion dollar endowment?

 

[husky429]

I haven't read the thread, but it's crazy that this guy was caught because of a comment on Reddit.

 

[temery]

So every perpetrator of a crime ever going forward will always have a mask on with no identifying characteristics like hair color, height, build, ear shape etc being visible? What happens if some sort of sexual assault takes place on the campus with someone emboldened knowing that university doesn’t have adequate surveillance? Tell me what the argument is in favor of not having a state of the art surveillance on an Ivy League campus with a multi billion dollar endowment?

My argument has been pretty simple: Brown University is in no way at fault for the shooting.

Shot spotters on every floor (and around campus) and solid door locks for every room would do far more than more/better cameras.

 

[Vowelguy]

fyi
Guy was an active student 2000-01 school year. Formally withdrew July 2003.

So far no faculty seem to remember him.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

You maybe prefer having an educated homeless person in each building?

The observer said the shooter was casing the place for a couple of weeks. Maybe if security actually did something they would have talked with him a week before the shooting.

Again, even if more cameras existed, you need an army of security to be actively monitoring every minute of footage from 1200+ cameras. That’s not how the real world works. The observer gave the tip after the fact. It’s possible if someone had called in a suspicious person ahead of time, this could have been averted but that has zero to do with he number of cameras. This is not Vegas, cameras are generally not monitored at that level.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

Yes, law enforcement learned about the tip 3 days after the Brown shooting. The MIT professor was already murdered at that point. If cameras picked up the killer exiting/returning to his car the MIT professor would still be alive.

But again…. Those cameras would have not been Brown cameras because he wasn’t parked on campus. So this has zero to do with the number of cameras on Brown’s campus or at that building.

 

[CL82]

Unless someone thinks he took off his mask and smiled at the camera, more cameras in the building would've done jack s hit. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but it does absolutely nothing to change what happened.

Edit: There was a guy in the neighborhood who posted on Reddit that this guy was up to something. After the fact police saw him walks around the area. Nobody took him seriously until after the fact. There's no blame to go around in that respect because it's nothing more than Monday morning quarterbacking.

Bottom line: there's only one person to blame for these shootings and that is the guy who did the shootings.

Yeah, I think there's some topic drift on this Tom. You asked the question what would more cameras have done? I think the answer is if they provided more information about the killer, including his appearance, how he left campus, where he went, what vehicle he got into etc. that would help law-enforcement. Is it enough to save the MIT pro professor's life? I don't know, but more information is better than less information.

I completely agree that the blame for the murders falls squarely on the murderers shoulders, but we would be foolish society if we didn't take take a look at all the surrounding factors to see if there are things we can do better. That's true for this murder, it's true for every murder. We won't necessarily find things at every murder, but we should always look.

 

[superjohn]

And a homeless person lives there.

They should make the homeless guy Providence chief of police or at a minimum he should be named head of campus security.

 

[NJHusky]

How? Did he pull his mask off and hold up his driver's license to the camera? more cameras in that building would've done absolutely nothing to help catch the guy unless he literally identified himself on camera.

So why does anyone ever have cameras? You don’t think a high res photo even with a mask might provide some data

 

[CL82]

Any against Consonantguy?

"Consonant Guy!"​

 

[NJHusky]

They should make the homeless guy Providence chief of police or at a minimum he should be named head of campus security.

I thought the same thing. He’s more observant and prob smarter too

 

[HuskyNan]

Do you think that cameras MIGHT have caught the perp sooner perhaps even while he was alive? If you had a loved one, perhaps even a young female, don’t you think it’s incumbent on a wealthy university to protect its students? What a take wow.

Say what now?

 

[TheHorde]

Say what now?

Did I stutter?

 

[HuskyNan]

Did I stutter?

If you had, maybe I would have understood you better

 

[Vowelguy]

He entered a building, correct? And was right outside that building which is on university property? Surely you can’t seriously be saying that the university doesn’t have the right and ability to have surveillance on their own private property are you?

Yes of course they do. My point is that it's not super difficult to evade detection if you're only on campus for about 20 feet.

I'm sure Brown will be reviewing all its security measures in the aftermath. But its presumptious to argue after the fact that they should have had Attica-like surveillance in a city of 150k with TWO murders this year (all miles away from campus).

 

[TheHorde]

My argument has been pretty simple: Brown University is in no way at fault for the shooting.

Shot spotters on every floor (and around campus) and solid door locks for every room would do far more than more/better cameras.

They aren’t to blame for the shooting. Nobody I know of is saying they are. But what good are shot spotters and door locks for preventing other criminal activities that might take place like robberies or sexual assaults? Stste of the art surveillance systems can also possibly get good pics of a perp’s clothing and eye color. That can be very valuable in a criminal case when comparing high resolution photos from campus to the rental car place, mask wearing or no mask wearing. Do right by the students and do everything you can to protect them on private property.

 

[temery]

Yeah, I think there's some topic drift on this Tom. You asked the question what would more cameras have done? I think the answer is if they provided more information about the killer, including his appearance, how he left campus, where he went, what vehicle he got into etc. that would help law-enforcement. Is it enough to save the MIT pro professor's life? I don't know, but more information is better than less information.

I completely agree that the blame for the murders falls squarely on the murderers shoulders, but we would be foolish society if we didn't take take a look at all the surrounding factors to see if there are things we can do better. That's true for this murder, it's true for every murder. We won't necessarily find things at every murder, but we should always look.

His car was parked off campus. Do you think Brown should place cameras in the neighborhoods?

 

[CL82]

His car was parked off campus. Do you think Brown should place cameras in the neighborhoods?

Nope, but if you could show his path of egress from the campus, that might lead you to other sources of information, Ring doorbells, etc.

And before you scoff at that, I can tell you, with certainty, that the police do track people using private ring doorbell or other private security cameras.

 

[John]

If you had, maybe I would have understood you better

old white guy energy

 

[temery]

Nope, but if you could show his path of egress from the campus, that might lead you to other sources of information, Ring doorbells, etc.

And before you scoff at that, I can tell you, with certainty, that the police do track people using private ring doorbell or other private security cameras.

The only time police use ring doorbell and private security cameras is after the fact. They don't track anybody real time. but they did have access to those cameras very quickly and it would have done absolutely nothing to help catch the guy. It took some guy to post it on Reddit that he thought he might have seen the guy who they're showing on TV from cameras, some of which were on campus.

If the police were able to see the car on camera at any point, it would've been long after the fact, because the whiteness saw the car hours before the shooting.

 

[CL82]

The only time police use ring doorbell and private security cameras is after the fact. They don't track anybody real time. but they did have access to those cameras very quickly and it would have done absolutely nothing to help catch the guy. It took some guy to post it on Reddit that he thought he might have seen the guy who they're showing on TV from cameras, some of which were on campus.

If the police were able to see the car on camera at any point, it would've been long after the fact, because the whiteness saw the car hours before the shooting..

So, again, given that a second murder was committed two days after the first murders, in this particular case, more cameras might have saved the MIT professor's life by catching the killer in the intervening two days before his second killing.

You keep arguing that it wouldn't have prevented the Brown murders, I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you. I know I'm not.