OT Way OT: Brown, MIT murders link?

[WhereistheDove?]

But if they were monitored real time as part of a campus wide security initiative then there would be one MIT professor alive

I feel like you wildly misunderstand how security cameras are monitored in the real world. This is not a Vegas casino. No college has thousands of cameras being actively monitored real time by a huge security team to spot any potential threat and then respond to it. They are there as deterrents and to try to identify what happened after the fact. And after all this, I’m pretty sure I read that the shooter pretty much walked directly off campus after the shooting and his car was not parked on campus, where Brown’s number of cameras or monitoring has absolutely no bearing

 

[superjohn]

Tom, I think the argument is that if there were cameras that caught the perpetrator at the brown shooting, he might've been captured in the two days between the original shooting and the MIT shooting.

I'm not a huge fan of a big brother state where we are all constantly being monitored, but I do think have there been cameras in the huge blind spot behind the building it might've saved the MIT professor's life.

I think that's common sense to most people.

 

[temery]

Did you figure out yet the killer was a former Brown student?

If you knew, why didn't you call the police? There was a $50,000 reward.


If his identity had been known shortly after the Brown shooting, there is absolutely no way anybody would've said, hey let's go protect that MIT doctor that this guy knew 30 years ago.

 

[Dove]

Amateur. I’ve got 30, 35, 40 year grudges going.

Any against Consonantguy?

 

[WhereistheDove?]

I think that's common sense to most people.

He was caught based on a tip about the kind of car he was driving. That car (as far as I understand) was not parked on campus and would not have been identified by more cameras on campus. The police also identified an incorrect suspect initially, which delayed the case by at least a day. More cameras on brown seem very unlikely to have prevented the MIT shooting. More cameras in the residential area he fled to may have.

 

[Vowelguy]

I feel like you wildly misunderstand how security cameras are monitored in the real world. This is not a Vegas casino. No college has thousands of cameras being actively monitored real time by a huge security team to spot any potential threat and then respond to it. They are there as deterrents and to try to identify what happened after the fact. And after all this, I’m pretty sure I read that the shooter pretty much walked directly off campus after the shooting and his car was not parked on campus, where Brown’s number of cameras or monitoring has absolutely no bearing

Correct. And as I was noting, that's easy to do given the location of that building.

 

[superjohn]

If you knew, why didn't you call the police. There was a $50,000 reward.

You're struggling badly here. It was reported yesterday after they caught him he was a former Brown student. Read post #30, #31, #32.

 

[temery]

Amateur. I’ve got 30, 35, 40 year grudges going.

I have never held a grudge. That's my superpower.

 

[superjohn]

He was caught based on a tip about the kind of car he was driving. That car (as far as I understand) was not parked on campus and would not have been identified by more cameras on campus. The police also identified an incorrect suspect initially, which delayed the case by at least a day. More cameras on brown seem very unlikely to have prevented the MIT shooting. More cameras in the residential area he fled to may have.

Yes, law enforcement learned about the tip 3 days after the Brown shooting. The MIT professor was already murdered at that point. If cameras picked up the killer exiting/returning to his car the MIT professor would still be alive.

 

[NJHusky]

I feel like you wildly misunderstand how security cameras are monitored in the real world. This is not a Vegas casino. No college has thousands of cameras being actively monitored real time by a huge security team to spot any potential threat and then respond to it. They are there as deterrents and to try to identify what happened after the fact. And after all this, I’m pretty sure I read that the shooter pretty much walked directly off campus after the shooting and his car was not parked on campus, where Brown’s number of cameras or monitoring has absolutely no bearing

You maybe prefer having an educated homeless person in each building?

The observer said the shooter was casing the place for a couple of weeks. Maybe if security actually did something they would have talked with him a week before the shooting.

 

[Vowelguy]

I have never held a grudge.

What's the point of living if not to drive you to vanquish everyone who has ever crossed you?

 

[temery]

Yes, law enforcement learned about the tip 3 days after the Brown shooting. The MIT professor was already murdered at that point. If cameras picked up the killer exiting/returning to his car the MIT professor would still be alive.

Cameras picked up the guy days before, and I'm fairly certain he parked off campus. By the time anyone could have seen him get into his car, he would have been long gone.

Nobody is to blame for the shootings other than the shooter.

 

[TheHorde]

There were.

They need to get more and better ones then that don’t take grainy Bigfoot like pictures then.

 

[temery]

What's the point of living if not to drive you to vanquish everyone who has ever crossed you?

I just consider each a prolonged vested interest in the future of those who have wronged me. Grudge has too many negative connotations.

 

[temery]

They need to get more and better ones then that don’t take grainy Bigfoot like pictures then.

And you think that would have caught him?

 

[TheHorde]

And you think that would have caught him?

A homeless man is getting the reward for identifying him. So yes I do think clear pictures would have helped catch him, don’t you?

 

[superjohn]

You maybe prefer having an educated homeless person in each building?

The observer said the shooter was casing the place for a couple of weeks. Maybe if security actually did something they would have talked with him a week before the shooting.

I like the comment from Brown University President Christina Paxson that the university is still reviewing how the suspect gained access to the building while also saying the building was unlocked the day of the shootings.

 

[Vowelguy]

They need to get more and better ones then that don’t take grainy Bigfoot like pictures then.

And where exactly is Brown going to put all these super cameras to take pictures of Providence neighborhoods because once you exit that building, you can be off campus in <10 seconds.

 

[NJHusky]

Also there are acoustic gunshot detection systems. UCONN actually has it in place. May not stop the initial event but can alert police and limit the breadth

Gunshot detection

 

[temery]

A homeless man is getting the reward for identifying him. So yes I do think clear pictures would have helped catch him, don’t you?

No! He saw the car the guy was driving. It wasn't parked in the building. He recognized the guy FROM THE PHOTOS, and linked him to the car.

"Up until that point, the police affidavit says officials had not connected a vehicle to the possible shooter."

Tipster using Reddit was key in cracking Brown University shooting case, police say

Information from a tipster who posted on Reddit about a strange encounter with another man was key in cracking the Brown University and MIT shootings cases, police say.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[NJHusky]

I like the comment from Brown University President Christina Paxson that the university is still reviewing how the suspect gained access to the building while also saying the building was unlocked the day of the shootings.

And a homeless person lives there.

 

[TheHorde]

And where exactly are you going to put all these super cameras to take pictures off campus because once you exit that building, you can be off campus in <10 seconds.

He entered a building, correct? And was right outside that building which is on university property? Surely you can’t seriously be saying that the university doesn’t have the right and ability to have surveillance on their own private property are you? And I think they have the financial means to have state of the art equipment, right? If you had a loved one attending that university, wouldn’t you be ticked off knowing that school isn’t doing everything it could to protect your loved one. Good lord what a horrible take.

 

[temery]

Also there are acoustic gunshot detection systems. UCONN actually has it in place. May not stop the initial event but can alert police and limit the breadth

Gunshot detection

Those should be cheap and on every floor in every building, with an alarm. One shot and everybody locks their doors. It won't prevent shootings, but it would save an awful lot of lives.

 

[HuskyNan]

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/brown-university-shooter-search-live-updates-live-stream-2/3864109/

 

[NJHusky]

Cameras picked up the guy days before, and I'm fairly certain he parked off campus. By the time anyone could have seen him get into his car, he would have been long gone.

Nobody is to blame for the shootings other than the shooter.

But the homeless guy knew he didn’t belong and followed him leading to the car ID. If a homeless guy noticed the guy, why didn’t security? It’s not like the showed up and immediately started shooting. He was around for 2 weeks before