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The new pup is bringing ticks in by the bushel. We do the Frontline but now want to wage war outside in the yard. Would rather not get a pro. I see Lowes has some stuff that connects to a hose. I have sent 6 ticks to the DEEP and three have come back positive for the Lymes spirochetes.

Need a little help here....
 
If you're sophisticated enough to send ticks to some agency to have them tested, why wouldn't you be asking them for solutions? It seems like they might know something on the topic.

We can barely manage functional answers to questions about sneakers and hoses - a biological menace is just beyond us. You're going to end up with chickens and Napalm.
 
If you do find a tick on you, a one-time 200 mg dose of doxycycline is the indicated treatment...along with removing the tick of course (tweezers and a smooth, easy pulling force should do the trick), but Fishy's advice seems sound about what to do with your yard and pet.
 
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I have not had a lot of success with frontline. I started using Activil on my dogs in April and have only had one tick and no fleas since. Check it out.
 
If you do find a tick on you, a one-time 200 mg dose of doxycycline is the indicated treatment...along with removing the tick of course (tweezers and a smooth, easy pulling force should do the trick), but Fishy's advice seems sound about what to do with your yard and pet.

Speaking from experience, if you suspect you have Lyme Disease hit it hard and hit it fast.
The longer it goes untreated the more problems you will have (possible long term)

I would do a week of doxy at the very least just if you suspect you may have it and at least a month if you know you have it( trying to find a doctor to treat aggressively enough will be a challenge)
Ticks carry a bunch of snow in them. Bartonella,Babesia among other parasites and bacteria.
Do not fool around with ticks. They can really ruin your life
 
I've read about these, I've never tried them:

http://www.ticktubes.com/

The premise is that ticks usually end up on a field mouse at some point in their life-cycle. The mice take the treated cotton back to use as bedding and it kills the ticks.
 
Use Ortho Bug B Gone Max granules on your yard and a Preventic collar on your dog along with Frontline. I stopped a BAD outbreak at my house this summer with these two products. Make sure you water in the granules or put them down and pray for rain if your yard is too big to wet with a hose.
 
I've read about these, I've never tried them:

http://www.ticktubes.com/

The premise is that ticks usually end up on a field mouse at some point in their life-cycle. The mice take the treated cotton back to use as bedding and it kills the ticks.

I love this. So, I am banking that a tick hangs out in a mouse's cottony little home before he latches onto my dog and gets brought into my house? Awesome.
 
Can't we save the chickens and Napalm for the next time(WHENEVER that is!) that we lace them up against either Puke or the Cuse(in fact I'd be happy to add PeeCee to the list)? :p

GO HUSKIES!!!

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I love this. So, I am banking that a tick hangs out in a mouse's cottony little home before he latches onto my dog and gets brought into my house? Awesome.
This, my friend, is called 'thinking outside of the box.' People are too conventional which is probably why after all these years we still can't control ticks. As the poster indicates, they should be called mouse ticks, not deer ticks. I've never seen a deer in my yard, but I've seen (and trapped) many mice and seen loads of ticks. Last year, we had an Easter egg hunt on Easter morning and the whole family had ticks crawling on them. I happened to be contacted shortly after by the CDC on a clinical study Yale was doing. They paid participants $40 in Target gift cards and sprayed the perimeter of your property with a pesticide. You had to promise not to apply any other treatment and you had to go on-line every couple of months to answer a few questions about whether you had seen ticks or gotten bitten. After the summer, they sent you your final $20 gift card and tell you whether your yard was treated with water or the trial pesticide. We were in the lucky 50% that got the pesticide and had no tick problem. The granular treatment from Walmart works well but you need a ton of it and with a well I don't like applying massive amounts of poison. You should also eliminate brush piles and create a tree-less, brush-less barrier around you property since ticks dry out in the sun so prefer shady areas. Pets are the biggest problem because they bring the ticks into your living space where you don't expect them.
 
The new pup is bringing ticks in by the bushel. We do the Frontline but now want to wage war outside in the yard. Would rather not get a pro. I see Lowes has some stuff that connects to a hose. I have sent 6 ticks to the DEEP and three have come back positive for the Lymes spirochetes.

Need a little help here....


I thought this another thread about PC fans.
 
I love this. So, I am banking that a tick hangs out in a mouse's cottony little home before he latches onto my dog and gets brought into my house? Awesome.

Considering that the tick can only carry Lyme disease after getting it from a rodent, yes that's what you'd be banking on.

 
If you're sophisticated enough to send ticks to some agency to have them tested, why wouldn't you be asking them for solutions? It seems like they might know something on the topic.

We can barely manage functional answers to questions about sneakers and hoses - a biological menace is just beyond us. You're going to end up with chickens and Napalm.

Napalm would work. Might violate zoning restrictions though. Ask your town planning board.
 
With all of the damn deer here in NJ, everyone I know (including myself) go pro. I found a ‘green’ service company (out of Westchester County) that treats the yard 3 times a yard and it runs about $600 a year. Pricy; but it’s cheaper than getting Lyme disease.
 
The new pup is bringing ticks in by the bushel. We do the Frontline but now want to wage war outside in the yard. Would rather not get a pro. I see Lowes has some stuff that connects to a hose. I have sent 6 ticks to the DEEP and three have come back positive for the Lymes spirochetes.

Need a little help here....

Gotta check the little guy as soon as you get back from the walk or letting him out.........it's that time again. Taking them off all the time in here.........had Lyme disease once and it's not pretty - the dog that is!! But antibiotics work great..........they're dogs they're gonna get them!! And watch yourself for them too.......
 
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Napalm would work. Might violate zoning restrictions though. Ask your town planning board.

Zoning does not regulate NApalm. Perhaps the health code would, tho.

I am in a heavy wooded area and we have mice, moles (hate these duckkers) deer and birds. Only in the last three to four days has she become a cruise liner for ticks. 14 today. One was plucked engorged.

I love the guinea hen idea. I remember knowing someone who had a flock and they walked the neybahood. Everyone complained until they learned they were tick eaters.
 
I have not had a lot of success with frontline. I started using Activil on my dogs in April and have only had one tick and no fleas since. Check it out.

Thanks sparky. I'll look for Activil. Frontline is a fail.
 
Can't we save the chickens and Napalm for the next time(WHENEVER that is!) that we lace them up against either Puke or the Cuse(in fact I'd be happy to add PeeCee to the list)? :p

GO HUSKIES!!!

uconn-logo-150x150.jpg
Isn't chicken and napalm the third from last choice at Cluck U?
 
My first post on here and it's OT but this is important. Lyme can be very debilitating if left untreated. My daughter missed high school because Lyme took her down. She was so cognitively disabled that she lost the ability to read for three years. She was the top student in her class a in 8th grade and a top soccer player but then was out of school for five years. Couldn't be tutored for most of it because she was so impaired. She never got a chance to play the sport she loved or reap the rewards that come to a top student athlete (she had hoped to play D1 college) Finally in the fifth year of treatment started to improve, took SATs, got a GED and went off to college and did very well. She had both Lyme and something called Bartonella, which is just as debilitating as Lyme. Ticks carry several pathogens and often people end up with Lyme plus multiple coinfections, all of which respond to different antibiotics. So it is important to identify what infections you have. As a result of my daughter and all i learned in the process, i became a Lyme patient advocate 13 years ago, started a support group in Southbury that is still going, then moved to New Hampshire six years ago, started a group up here that now has over 600 members. There is so much misinformation out there about Lyme. If caught early and treated properly it usually is no problem. However, if not diagnosed and treated in the acute stage, it can become a physical and neurological nightmare. Unfortunately, the medical establishment is not very well informed and has a very narrow and wrong-headed view of Lyme and knows too little about the coinfections. As a result, many people are being misdiagnosed and undertreated and ending up very debilitated. Late stage Lyme is often misdiagnosed a MS, Parkinson's, ALS, Lupus, bipolar disease, chronic migraines, chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, autism, etc. The politics surrounding Lyme are fierce. The chances of getting properly treated at your pcp are between slim and none. The two pill prophylactic that the establishment recommends for a tick bite has proven highly ineffective, causing a lot of people to end up with chronic Lyme. The establishment protocol for Lyme is Doxycycline 100mg 2x/day for 10 -28 days, typically 3 weeks. The Lyme literate doctors prescribe Doxycycline 200mg 2x/day for a minimum of 28 days. This is for acute Lyme or even to treat a bite prophylactically. They found that too many patients were ending up with chronic Lyme on the lower dose. The chronic form of Lyme can be life-altering and difficult to resolve so best to treat aggressively during that window when you have the best chance to eradicate it. The establishment doesn't believe there is any such thing as chronic, persistent Lyme so they don't believe antibiotics beyond four weeks is worthwhile or effective. There should be no debate but there is. These bacteria have all kinds of ability to evade treatment and survive. Obviously, lots of people get bit and don't end up debilitated. There are over 100 strains of the Borrelia bacteria that causes Lyme and only some of those strains are highly virulent. But too often, people end up with neurodegenerative diseases or neuropsychiatric diseases as a result of a tick bite and go from specialist to specialist without any of them even considering the possibility that it all the result of Lyme and other tick-borne diseases. There are no more than a handful of Lyme literate doctors in each state that really understand Lyme and the establishment treats them as pariahs even though they are very fine doctors. They are putting their necks on the line for patients and have their eyes and minds open rather than buying into the mythical Infectious Disease Society of America Lyme guidelines that most of the establishment follows. By the way, the establishment considers rheumatologists and infectious disease doctors to be Lyme specialists but most are far from it. I give a lot of talks up here in NH and I usually tell people that rheumatologists and infectious disease docs are more responsible than all other specialties for misdiagnosis of Lyme.
Sorry about the lengthy OT post, just want to forewarn people to take Lyme seriously and to understand how little understanding your doctors have regarding Lyme.

As for treating the ticks, one inexpensive approach would be to treat your lawn and the periphery with food grade diatomaceous earth. You can get it at Agway and because it is food grade it is non-toxic and won't hurt your well water. Otherwise, the pest control and lawn services do a pretty good job applying 3 or 4 treatments a year. Some do have natural products that are supposed to be safe. Ticks like shade so the worst areas of your yard are the areas of brush, leaves, ground cover, shrubs and tall grass. The more you clean up those areas and provide a boundary of stone or wood chips between the lawn and the periphery the better. Best to put the kids swing sets out in the sun rather than in the shady corner of the yard as people typically do. And do thorough tick checks when coming in from outside. We call the tick "nature's dirty needle. It requires a blood meal at each of its three life stages, larva, nymph and adult. In its early stages it feeds on the whit footed mouse, chipmunks, squirrels, possums, raccoons, etc and these can and do pass along all kinds of pathogens including Borrelia, Bartonella, Babesia (malaria-like parasite that is a common coinfection), ehrlichia, anaplasmosis, powassan virus, etc). Our vets are seeing all of these in our pets. Unfortunately, our docs have been slow to recognize and understand these. We joke about going to the vet to get proper treatment.

Sorry to start off with such a lengthy, off-topic post but Dove's inquiry prompted me to sign up after years of "lurking". Just trying to help people avoid the horror show that we went through. I'm a long-time Husky fan going back to the days of Toby and Wes, when as a kid I would listen to them on the radio, not always easy because of the poor transmission in those days. We've come a long way, but those teams were a lot of fun too.
 
Great job Fanatic
Your summary was more than I had in me.
Lyme and co- infections have robbed me of several years also.
Happy to hear your daughter has gotten her life back
 
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My first post on here and it's OT but this is important. Lyme can be very debilitating if left untreated. My daughter missed high school because Lyme took her down. She was so cognitively disabled that she lost the ability to read for three years. She was the top student in her class a in 8th grade and a top soccer player but then was out of school for five years. Couldn't be tutored for most of it because she was so impaired. She never got a chance to play the sport she loved or reap the rewards that come to a top student athlete (she had hoped to play D1 college) Finally in the fifth year of treatment started to improve, took SATs, got a GED and went off to college and did very well. She had both Lyme and something called Bartonella, which is just as debilitating as Lyme. Ticks carry several pathogens and often people end up with Lyme plus multiple coinfections, all of which respond to different antibiotics. So it is important to identify what infections you have. As a result of my daughter and all i learned in the process, i became a Lyme patient advocate 13 years ago, started a support group in Southbury that is still going, then moved to New Hampshire six years ago, started a group up here that now has over 600 members. There is so much misinformation out there about Lyme. If caught early and treated properly it usually is no problem. However, if not diagnosed and treated in the acute stage, it can become a physical and neurological nightmare. Unfortunately, the medical establishment is not very well informed and has a very narrow and wrong-headed view of Lyme and knows too little about the coinfections. As a result, many people are being misdiagnosed and undertreated and ending up very debilitated. Late stage Lyme is often misdiagnosed a MS, Parkinson's, ALS, Lupus, bipolar disease, chronic migraines, chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, autism, etc. The politics surrounding Lyme are fierce. The chances of getting properly treated at your pcp are between slim and none. The two pill prophylactic that the establishment recommends for a tick bite has proven highly ineffective, causing a lot of people to end up with chronic Lyme. The establishment protocol for Lyme is Doxycycline 100mg 2x/day for 10 -28 days, typically 3 weeks. The Lyme literate doctors prescribe Doxycycline 200mg 2x/day for a minimum of 28 days. This is for acute Lyme or even to treat a bite prophylactically. They found that too many patients were ending up with chronic Lyme on the lower dose. The chronic form of Lyme can be life-altering and difficult to resolve so best to treat aggressively during that window when you have the best chance to eradicate it. The establishment doesn't believe there is any such thing as chronic, persistent Lyme so they don't believe antibiotics beyond four weeks is worthwhile or effective. There should be no debate but there is. These bacteria have all kinds of ability to evade treatment and survive. Obviously, lots of people get bit and don't end up debilitated. There are over 100 strains of the Borrelia bacteria that causes Lyme and only some of those strains are highly virulent. But too often, people end up with neurodegenerative diseases or neuropsychiatric diseases as a result of a tick bite and go from specialist to specialist without any of them even considering the possibility that it all the result of Lyme and other tick-borne diseases. There are no more than a handful of Lyme literate doctors in each state that really understand Lyme and the establishment treats them as pariahs even though they are very fine doctors. They are putting their necks on the line for patients and have their eyes and minds open rather than buying into the mythical Infectious Disease Society of America Lyme guidelines that most of the establishment follows. By the way, the establishment considers rheumatologists and infectious disease doctors to be Lyme specialists but most are far from it. I give a lot of talks up here in NH and I usually tell people that rheumatologists and infectious disease docs are more responsible than all other specialties for misdiagnosis of Lyme.
Sorry about the lengthy OT post, just want to forewarn people to take Lyme seriously and to understand how little understanding your doctors have regarding Lyme.

As for treating the ticks, one inexpensive approach would be to treat your lawn and the periphery with food grade diatomaceous earth. You can get it at Agway and because it is food grade it is non-toxic and won't hurt your well water. Otherwise, the pest control and lawn services do a pretty good job applying 3 or 4 treatments a year. Some do have natural products that are supposed to be safe. Ticks like shade so the worst areas of your yard are the areas of brush, leaves, ground cover, shrubs and tall grass. The more you clean up those areas and provide a boundary of stone or wood chips between the lawn and the periphery the better. Best to put the kids swing sets out in the sun rather than in the shady corner of the yard as people typically do. And do thorough tick checks when coming in from outside. We call the tick "nature's dirty needle. It requires a blood meal at each of its three life stages, larva, nymph and adult. In its early stages it feeds on the whit footed mouse, chipmunks, squirrels, possums, raccoons, etc and these can and do pass along all kinds of pathogens including Borrelia, Bartonella, Babesia (malaria-like parasite that is a common coinfection), ehrlichia, anaplasmosis, powassan virus, etc). Our vets are seeing all of these in our pets. Unfortunately, our docs have been slow to recognize and understand these. We joke about going to the vet to get proper treatment.

Sorry to start off with such a lengthy, off-topic post but Dove's inquiry prompted me to sign up after years of "lurking". Just trying to help people avoid the horror show that we went through. I'm a long-time Husky fan going back to the days of Toby and Wes, when as a kid I would listen to them on the radio, not always easy because of the poor transmission in those days. We've come a long way, but those teams were a lot of fun too.
...and what a first post it was. Keep them coming.
 
Wow. Great first post. I did actually have a Lyme disease scare last year.

I wasn't sure if it was Lyme but I had a short of bulls-eye bug bite after a round of golf (looking for a ball in the bushes). The golf course has a lot of deer as well.

I didn't take any chances and went to my pcp 2 days after and ended up taking Doxycycline for about 2 weeks. Thankfully I didn't have a fever or anything like that. I guess I'm not going to go around looking for golf balls anymore in the bushes!
 
I should have also mentioned that the standard blood tests for Lyme are highly unreliable particularly when done through Quest or your local hospital. They use a commercial test kit that is not very well designed. The CDC recommends a two tier testing protocol where one first does a screening test called a Lyme ELISA. The reliability of this test is somewhere close to 30%. Then if you get a positive result the doctor will order the confirming test called a Western Blot. This test is a bit more reliable but still only 50% accurate. If you get a positive ELISA but a negative Western Blot, the establishment doctors will call that positive a false positive and not treat or stop treatment. The truth is that the much greater likelihood was that the Western Blot was a false negative. Most positives are real positives. False negatives occur a lot. There is a lab out in California called Igenex. All they do is tick-borne testing so their tests are better designed and more reliable, not perfect but better. A lot of establishment doctors will call Igenex a bogus lab that will find lyme in wallpaper paste. Not at all true. i've seen a lot of negative results there. Just a better, more reliable lab for Lyme. There is also a lot of confusion regarding interpretation of the Western Blot results whatever the lab used. The test tests for antibodies specific to Lyme. They are identified by various numbered bands. The CDC has a surveillance criteria threshold that states that to be counted as an official case for surveillance statics purposes you need to have 5 of `10 bands positive. This has nothing to do with diagnosis. Having 1 or 2 bands positive is enough to be considered positive for diagnostic purposes. Yet many establishment docs mistakenly think you need 5 positive bands to be diagnosed with Lyme. Thus many, many patients are wrongly told they had a negative test and don't have Lyme with 1 to 4 bands positive. So the bottom line is that the tests are lousy and the doctors often don't interpret the results correctly even when the test is positive. If you have Lyme symptoms but don't get a positive diagnosis, you should seek a second opinion from a Lyme literate doctor. Even the CDC says that Lyme is often determined by clinical diagnosis, taking into account a patient's history of tick exposure and a patient's symptoms. I'm not a doctor but I've dealt with thousands of patients as a patient advocate. I can usually tell after 5-10 minutes of talking to someone about their symptoms, whether they have Lyme and what coinfections they have if any. Yet most doctors are seeing lots of patients with Lyme and missing it. That's why there is so much misdiagnosis. The pediatricians are missing it too. A lot of kids in special ed have Lyme but have been misdiagnosed with all kinds of other things.

Now back to basketball. I promise that's the last of the Lyme tutorial. I just wanted to be sure people know diagnosis isn't as straight forward as just taking a test.
 
This thread has caused me to realize a deep, abiding hatred of ticks and an equally strong fondness for paragraphs.
 
This thread has caused me to realize a deep, abiding hatred of ticks and an equally strong fondness for paragraphs.

Just be cool with the fact that it was grammatically perfect.
 
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