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Koepka was great. So was Harman. I don't know what the future holds but both were really good this whole week.
 
Jerry1714 said:
The funny thing is the people complaining about the low scores probably don't realize Hideki shot a 276, DJ shot a 276 last year, but because Oakmont is now a par 70 (it use to be a par 72) the under par score this year looks so inflated. USGA could have played this at a par 70 and people would have been fine.
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Man I thought it would be a cold day in hell before I would ever like one of your posts (pats/giants thing), but this is 100% on point. Guys saying this course sucks/is gimmicky is insane. Today was the only tough weather day, and most guys struggled out there.
 
Matt (Chicago) said:
Man I thought it would be a cold day in hell before I would ever like one of your posts (pats/giants thing), but this is 100% on point. Guys saying this course sucks/is gimmicky is insane. Today was the only tough weather day, and most guys struggled out there.
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I just didn't think it translated well to TV. I'm sure its a great place to play or watch in person.
 
JSM1970 said:
Me? Who cares, Rickie probably more upset than me right now

Played 1 good round, not enough to win
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Haha he's worth 10's of millions, plays golf all over the world and is dating one of the hottest women on the planet. You're complaining about a golf course looking bad on TV, so you tell me who's more upset right now ...
 
freescooter said:
No trouble, wide fairways eh greens stand up and blast it and chase. These new gimmicky courses are ruining the Open. Might as well play at East Hartford next year.
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If the tee boxes were in Hartford it might work.
 
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Interesting setup this week. I'm all for new courses in different parts of the country to host the US Open, but I wont lose sleep if Erin Hills isn't chosen again.

Course too expansive: crowds 5-deep lining tees, fairways and greens make it feel like a major - low-looking turnout made it feel non-major. No roars being heard on TV from other areas, players stepping off shots because of it and all that.

Risk/reward holes didn't have enough risk. Par 5s and short 4s didn't have the hazards or green complexes to make the players think twice picking a strategy or club. Par 5s had easy bailouts to make birdie from. No teeth. Sometimes at US Opens pars feel like birdies and that's how it should be.

Love the wide fairways but 60 yards wide is excessive for a US Open. Plenty of great 2nd shot courses (like Augusta, Riv, etc) Yield birdies but a player MUST play from the correct spot of the fairway to have a chance since the greens and bunkers are so challenging. Guys were cashing in birds from all over the park this week.

Any course with holes not framed with trees and contrasting grass/sand colors won't present so well on TV. It helped Fox had pro tracer on every shot.

Brooks is a deserving champ. The guy has all the firepower DJ has and is a few years younger. He should be around for a long time. Brian Harman is a killer and he'll compete for more majors.
 
Chin Diesel said:
My problem is equipment more than course.

I don't mind that a guy can hit a 3-wood 300 yards. It bothers me he can loft it high and drop it down on a green and get it to stop in 20' or less.

I'm with the old guard that golf ball technology has been a bigger threat to courses than clubs.

Shaft technology is the unspoken area right now too. They can fit a shaft for any player size and swing speed to have a kick/flex point that maximizes putting club head square.

The art of crafting a swing is gone. Someone on Golf Channel mentioned this yesterday. First these teens are taught how to use their body to maximize swing speed. Then they figure out everything else.
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I'm torn on the technology part. Best ball striker I knew played with rusty yard sale clubs. That was in mid-70s, so maybe it matters more now. I've been making my own sets, looking for an edge, but I haven't found anything significant yet. Had a pro I know hit them, and he said they seemed as good as the brand names he was playing. Again, 10 years ago. Maybe the newest stuff is worth the price... I only need about 30 yds per club to play like a 40 yesr old.
 
LIuconn said:
Interesting setup this week. I'm all for new courses in different parts of the country to host the US Open, but I wont lose sleep if Erin Hills isn't chosen again.

Course too expansive: crowds 5-deep lining tees, fairways and greens make it feel like a major - low-looking turnout made it feel non-major. No roars being heard on TV from other areas, players stepping off shots because of it and all that.

Risk/reward holes didn't have enough risk. Par 5s and short 4s didn't have the hazards or green complexes to make the players think twice picking a strategy or club. Par 5s had easy bailouts to make birdie from. No teeth. Sometimes at US Opens pars feel like birdies and that's how it should be.

Love the wide fairways but 60 yards wide is excessive for a US Open. Plenty of great 2nd shot courses (like Augusta, Riv, etc) Yield birdies but a player MUST play from the correct spot of the fairway to have a chance since the greens and bunkers are so challenging. Guys were cashing in birds from all over the park this week.

Any course with holes not framed with trees and contrasting grass/sand colors won't present so well on TV. It helped Fox had pro tracer on every shot.

Brooks is a deserving champ. The guy has all the firepower DJ has and is a few years younger. He should be around for a long time. Brian Harman is a killer and he'll compete for more majors.
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Felt more like a PGA than a US Open. I think I prefer tight old courses that place a premium on shotmaking.
 
I miss Tiger.

Just to put things into perspective. Second place at Erin hills, where everyone was tearing, it up was 12 under.

In 2000, at pebble, tiger shot 12 under. Second place was 3 over. 3 over at Erin hills was good for 46th place.

#goat
 
uconnfan68 said:
Felt more like a PGA than a US Open. I think I prefer tight old courses that place a premium on shotmaking.
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Fair enough.

A few changes it needs to make for future US Open considerations. Greens are too flat. Even 50' putts had 1-2 feet of break.

Between 2nd hole and 15th, they have to make one a longer par 4 or shorten to a par 3. Short par 4's are fun. Put the risk/reward burden on the player. Neither of these have the hazardous risk of going for it.

Finally, pinch the fairways 3-5 yards on either side and move some bunkers. If players want to launch 330 yards, there needs to be a severe punishment for not being perfect.

I think if it's dry and windy for 3 or 4 days, winning score is between -4 to -6.

Overall, the course held up well.
 
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I agree with LI. Fairways were too wide and there was no risk only reward. I also think that it is basically a resort course and is designed for regular golfers to shoot 88 not a US Open. Sure they lengthened it from the tees but in terms of greens and bunkers it's still a resort course. Suitable for the Dundee-Miflin Open maybe but not the US Open. Add in the setup with wide fairways and slow predictable greens and it was a lousy venue
 
uconnfan68 said:
Felt more like a PGA than a US Open. I think I prefer tight old courses that place a premium on shotmaking.
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I would take Erin Hills over the USGA trying to trick up courses like Shinnecock, where Phil said he aimed for bunkers instead of greens because of how dried out they were, or Winged Foot where the USGA made the rough legitimately unplayable. It basically took the same amount of shots to win at Erin Hills as it did at Oakmont and that was with wet and calm conditions.

Most of the golfers and golf personalities had good things to say about Erin Hills. Bubba hated the course which tells me it was a decent course. My biggest issue was there was no hole(s) that I really loved, lot of good golf holes, but did not think there was any really memorable hole(s).
 
FriarJ said:
He likes his binky Jim Nance the UConn sycophant that your school gave a NC ring to. There is nothing more to Whaler than that. Transparent as they come
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What in the world are you talking about? Jim Nantz? UConn gave him a ring? If that is true I had no idea.
 
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