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Chin Diesel said:
If I had one course to play in my life it would be Shinnecock.
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St. Andrew's Old Course for me. In this country, tough choice... Pebble Beach, Cypress Hills, Spyglass, Pine Valley, and Shinnecock would be on the final cut, with possibly Augusta.
 
Erin Hills is nowhere near as bad as Chambers Bay was. Chambers was brown ...Erin Hills is a lot more green. Chambers was like playing out of a dried up parking lot.

Just because it doesn't have the name cache yet doesn't make it a gimmicky course. It is a heck of a challenge that has been helped by overnight rains making it too soft for these guys around the greens. Just ask DJ, Rory, or Jason what they thought of it...
 
Carnoustie

And over here definitely Shinnecock. National maybe a close second, right next door

uconnfan68 said:
St. Andrew's Old Course for me. In this country, tough choice... Pebble Beach, Cypress Hills, Spyglass, Pine Valley, and Shinnecock would be on the final cut, with possibly Augusta.
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ConnZag3 said:
Erin Hills is nowhere near as bad as Chambers Bay was. Chambers was brown ...Erin Hills is a lot more green. Chambers was like playing out of a dried up parking lot.

Just because it doesn't have the name cache yet doesn't make it a gimmicky course. It is a heck of a challenge that has been helped by overnight rains making it too soft for these guys around the greens. Just ask DJ, Rory, or Jason what they thought of it...
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These courses don't even make sense here. Wisconsin has trees. Why make believe they don't? its just weird.
 
Never say never, but there will NEVER be another major player there

A gimmicky pseudo Links course in the middle of flat Midwestern farmland

ConnZag3 said:
Erin Hills is nowhere near as bad as Chambers Bay was. Chambers was brown ...Erin Hills is a lot more green. Chambers was like playing out of a dried up parking lot.

Just because it doesn't have the name cache yet doesn't make it a gimmicky course. It is a heck of a challenge that has been helped by overnight rains making it too soft for these guys around the greens. Just ask DJ, Rory, or Jason what they thought of it...
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uconnfan68 said:
St. Andrew's Old Course for me. In this country, tough choice... Pebble Beach, Cypress Hills, Spyglass, Pine Valley, and Shinnecock would be on the final cut, with possibly Augusta.
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I'm somewhat biased towards Shinnecock because I remember Floyd winning US Open there. I was always a big Floyd fan, along with Tom Watson, Lanny Wadkins, and a few others. I think Patrick Reed ends up like them. Bulldogs in competition and someone who always leaves the Wednesday practice round with a fat wad of his playing partners cash.

Chambers Bay was a disgrace and its' a shame if it ever hosts another major.

I've been working on the west coast and haven't watch the US Open live yet. Doesn't look too bad on the eyes.
 
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uconnfan68 said:
St. Andrew's Old Course for me. In this country, tough choice... Pebble Beach, Cypress Hills, Spyglass, Pine Valley, and Shinnecock would be on the final cut, with possibly Augusta.
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Pebble is great, but it in my opinion it was not as good as Shinni, Fishers Island, or Maidstone (which for some reason does not rank as high as the others but I absolutely loved).

Augusta is the dream course to play but its probably will only ever be that.
 
uconnfan68 said:
St. Andrew's Old Course for me. In this country, tough choice... Pebble Beach, Cypress Hills, Spyglass, Pine Valley, and Shinnecock would be on the final cut, with possibly Augusta.
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And I left out Whistling Straits, Black Wolf Run, Bandon Dunes, and a bunch of others. Too many to list.
 
Jerry1714 said:
Pebble is great, but it in my opinion it was not as good as Shinni, Fishers Island, or Maidstone (which for some reason does not rank as high as the others but I absolutely loved).

Augusta is the dream course to play but its probably will only ever be that.
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Played Pebble in July 1979, for $47, in a 2-some with a stranger, and we almost had the place to ourselves. And it was a spectacular top 10 day. All the others are tv viewing only ratings. I'll never play any of them unless I hit a large Powerball jackpot. I've heard great things about Fisher's Island. Sounded like my kind of place.
 
Kitaman said:
Reminds me somewhat of the public courses I play on; no trees!

But oh that fescue, and other challenges certainly make it PGA worthy.

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Chambers Bay is a wonderful course and incredibly hard.
 
Jerry1714 said:
Chambers Bay could have been a decent venue if the greens were not an utter disaster.
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The greens are literally beautiful now. I don't know how they fixed them but they are near perfect
 
ConnZag3 said:
Erin Hills is nowhere near as bad as Chambers Bay was. Chambers was brown ...Erin Hills is a lot more green. Chambers was like playing out of a dried up parking lot.

Just because it doesn't have the name cache yet doesn't make it a gimmicky course. It is a heck of a challenge that has been helped by overnight rains making it too soft for these guys around the greens. Just ask DJ, Rory, or Jason what they thought of it...
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Do you know why it's brown? It's a new wave of courses out in the west that need very little watering. This is the land of eco warriors and tree huggers. This winter reversed the tide a bit, but when people were rationing all over California, the last thing people wanted to see was millions of gallons of water poured on a course so wealthy people could smack a little ball. The USGA had a lot to do with Chambers design to build a course for the 21st century.
 
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Erin Hills is a joke

USGA overthinking itself with these gimmicky public courses

And they supposedly closed it for 7 months to make their changes

FriarJ said:
Do you know why it's brown? It's a new wave of courses out in the west that need very little watering. This is the land of eco warriors and tree huggers. This winter reversed the tide a bit, but when people were rationing all over California, the last thing people wanted to see was millions of gallons of water poured on a course so wealthy people could smack a little ball. The USGA had a lot to do with Chambers design to build a course for the 21st century.
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Jerry1714 said:
Pebble is great, but it in my opinion it was not as good as Shinni, Fishers Island, or Maidstone (which for some reason does not rank as high as the others but I absolutely loved).

Augusta is the dream course to play but its probably will only ever be that.
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Maidstone is incredible. It doesn't rank as highly because it's not long enough to host majors, but to me the layout is superior to Shinnecock and National. If I could pick one course to play before I croak, it would be Maidstone, even though I've played it more than a half-dozen times.
 
JSM1970 said:
Never say never, but there will NEVER be another major player there

A gimmicky pseudo Links course in the middle of flat Midwestern farmland
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JSM is 100% right. This course sucks.

Fox sucks even worse. They are going to butcher the World Cup.
 
Wow, I forgot how bad Fox is (especially Joe Buck) is with golf telecasts. He adds absolutely nothing as far as golf knowledge is concerned, and his broadcast style while fine for baseball (making something dramatic in a usually boring contest) just grates on my ears. He is mostly reading what someone hands him off camera which usually is statistics or some fact to give it "perspective". Jim Nantz is so much better (and I really miss Ken Venturi, he was the best).

Another problem with the broadcast by Fox is that the audio is difficult to hear amongst the background sounds. They are trying to include too many other sounds/noises as background, or the commentary volume is too low, and it gets lost for me. Although since they are pretty bad, maybe losing the commentary isn't so lamentable after all.
 
I don't disagree that Erin will likely never get another major with scores this low, but can't help that the 2 defenses of the course, being dry and quick and windy, have been completely eliminated this week.

Someone said Whistling Straits is a gem but Erin Hills is a joke. Please tell me how Whistling Straits is any different than Erin Hills? Hell, Whistling was carved up 2 years ago as well but no one seems to mind that because it wasn't the US Open.

The course is pretty damn straightforward if you hit the ball in the fairway and on the green. If you don't it can become an adventure...
 
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ConnZag3 said:
I don't disagree that Erin will likely never get another major with scores this low, but can't help that the 2 defenses of the course, being dry and quick and windy, have been completely eliminated this week.

Someone said Whistling Straits is a gem but Erin Hills is a joke. Please tell me how Whistling Straits is any different than Erin Hills? Hell, Whistling was carved up 2 years ago as well but no one seems to mind that because it wasn't the US Open.

The course is pretty damn straightforward if you hit the ball in the fairway and on the green. If you don't it can become an adventure...
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They need to stretch it to about 8500 yds. No more reachable 667 yd par 5s. ;^)
 
Conndog said:
Wow, I forgot how bad Fox is (especially Joe Buck) is with golf telecasts. He adds absolutely nothing as far as golf knowledge is concerned, and his broadcast style while fine for baseball (making something dramatic in a usually boring contest) just grates on my ears. He is mostly reading what someone hands him off camera which usually is statistics or some fact to give it "perspective". Jim Nantz is so much better (and I really miss Ken Venturi, he was the best).

Another problem with the broadcast by Fox is that the audio is difficult to hear amongst the background sounds. They are trying to include too many other sounds/noises as background, or the commentary volume is too low, and it gets lost for me. Although since they are pretty bad, maybe losing the commentary isn't so lamentable after all.
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Not disagreeing about Joe Buck but I don't really mind Fox. Most importantly is they show a lot of the actual golf and showed a ton of different players yesterday compared to a normal nbc or cbs broadcast. And to each his own but I can't stand Jim Nantz.
 
So is Fowler going to take it? Harmam, the other lefty, had a pretty nice round. Even if this course is playing "easy" - I enjoyed watching Thomas shoot that 63. That run just seemed absurd.
 
JSM1970 said:
Erin Hills is a brutally ugly course on TV

Shinnecock is in top most gorgeous US courses along with Pebble and maybe Kiawah or Olympic
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I 'm not a fan of links courses.
 
uconnfan68 said:
They need to stretch it to about 8500 yds. No more reachable 667 yd par 5s. ;^)
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My problem is equipment more than course.

I don't mind that a guy can hit a 3-wood 300 yards. It bothers me he can loft it high and drop it down on a green and get it to stop in 20' or less.

I'm with the old guard that golf ball technology has been a bigger threat to courses than clubs.

Shaft technology is the unspoken area right now too. They can fit a shaft for any player size and swing speed to have a kick/flex point that maximizes putting club head square.

The art of crafting a swing is gone. Someone on Golf Channel mentioned this yesterday. First these teens are taught how to use their body to maximize swing speed. Then they figure out everything else.
 
Could be a bloodbath today.

Wind is whipping.

As a player I'd feel great being in the club house with -10 posted.
 
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The golf swing is much like throwing the fastball these days. Kids are taught to swing/throw it as hard as they can. Subsequently, many will break down much younger than expected. The list of young pitchers who throw hard and are injured because of it is too long to mention. In golf, JDay has recurring back problems, Rory injured his ribs and Tiger is permanently injured head to foot. I don't see the trend changing any time soon. High reward, high risk. As for the course I'm ok with it. It's a links-ish course and on those types of courses if the weather is nice and if they get rains overnight guys can shoot low scores. I prefer parkland courses myself but I've never played in Ireland or Scotland. The two nicest courses I've played are Oakmont and Muirfield Village. I'm picking Koepka today.
 
JSM1970 said:
Erin Hills is a joke

USGA overthinking itself with these gimmicky public courses

And they supposedly closed it for 7 months to make their changes
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I played the course last year and went to the tournament Thursday and Friday. I'm really sorry that you think it looks ugly on TV, but the course is not gimmicky at all. Players have praised it all week.
 
JSM1970 said:
Never say never, but there will NEVER be another major player there

A gimmicky pseudo Links course in the middle of flat Midwestern farmland
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WRONG again. The topography in this part of the state features a lot of rolling hills. That's why the original designers thought this particular plot of land would be perfect for a golf course.
 
Fox is doing a fine job - love the different perspectives and Buck is better than cheesy Nantz.

Hole 9 proves length isn't needed to make a course challenging.

Shinnecock is another greenish-brown minimal tree inland links as well, so it will look similar on TV next year, just like it did in 04. It's a shorter, far superior course with no 2 consecutive holes playing in the same direction, no level lies, smaller landing areas and far more penal greens/complexes. But if the wind is down these guys might blitz it

JTs shot on 18 was just unreal. Two 3 woods to cover 650+ is insane. I do think the 288 yard par 4 was a mistake
 
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