Me too. And welter weight. Sugar Ray, Hagler, Hearns, Duran, Breeland, etc in the 80's/early 90's was absolutely must see TV
Hearns - Hagler is the undisputed champion. Both goes threw bombs from the jumpI have to go wth Ward-Gatti 1 as best fight I have seen. Unreal fight. Round 9 is as good as sports gets....
Just ahead of Balboa-Creed 1.
Hearns - Hagler is the undisputed champion. Both goes threw bombs from the jump
That fight was absolutely epic. I also remember it as the first time I ever drank a beer in front of my dad. Funny how silly things stick in your mind. I was just 17 and only took a couple of sips but i felt like an adult.Hearns - Hagler is the undisputed champion. Both goes threw bombs from the jump
You fail to mention Marlon Starling? You're not from CT, are you? I can remember seeing Moochie dropping his gloves after a bell and then taking a knock-out punch from Breeland. Unreal. Then won in a rematch, I think.
I think me and Tommy Hearns are still partially punch drunk from that fight, somehow 'guys' became 'goes' as I typed.That fight was absolutely epic. I also remember it as the first time I ever drank a beer in front of my dad. Funny how silly things stick in your mind. I was just 17 and only took a couple of sips but i felt like an adult.
Good point on short fight. The one's mentioned earlier and then Ali-Frazier (14 rounds) and Leonard-Hagler are also in the conversation for 12+ round fights. I'd pick the Thrilla in Manilla.I still have a VHS recording of that fight. Hagler was cut early and had to go all out as the fight was going to be stopped. Best short fight ever.
You fail to mention Marlon Starling? You're not from CT, are you? I can remember seeing Moochie dropping his gloves after a bell and then taking a knock-out punch from Breeland. Unreal. Then won in a rematch, I think.
Moochie destroyed Breland who was a golden boyNot quite. Moochie kicked Breland's ass. I remember that fight well, the pre-fight show was all about Breland. ABC was stunned by the result. He was popped after bell by Johnny Bumphis.
I did some Googlin' and Bumphus beat MArlon by scorecards when Moochie accidently headbutted him thus ending the fight due a gash on JB's forehead.Not quite. Moochie kicked Breland's ass. I remember that fight well, the pre-fight show was all about Breland. ABC was stunned by the result. He was popped after bell by Johnny Bumphis.
In the 80's the welterweight div was loaded.I did some Googlin' and Bumphus beat MArlon by scorecards when Moochie accidently headbutted him thus ending the fight due a gash on JB's forehead.
I do clearly remember Mooch dropping his gloves when a bell sounded and BANG(!!) down he went. National TV and Lampley calling the fight. But I clearly now misremember who the fight was against or if he resumed the fight.
All true, Tyson was a bully and it was great to see him dominated.Tyson was flawed in that his conditioning was not to go the distance. He also was a fighter not a boxer, especially after he changed trainers. The longer the opponent stayed in the ring it increased his chances of winning, not in the obvious sense but in that wearing Tyson down and getting it to later rounds. Tyson also got rocked like never before. Buster was a big dude and started leaning/pushing on Mike, enduring his punches and then fighting back.
I knew that Holyfield could and would beat Tyson. Tyson was his size and Holyfield was just a great light heavyweight boxer/fighter going back to the Olympics. He was not going to be intimidated, and after beating George Foreman was happy to see a smaller heavyweight.
As for Tyson he won many fights before the first bell rung. Micheal Spinks looked like he was wearing a diaper and not a cup when he got into the ring with Mike. Mike was just a bad arse MF, born to fight.
In the 80's the welterweight div was loaded.
I'm not sure guys like Pacheo,and even ,Mayweather would even want to get into the mix.
Ray Leonard - Mayweather would be quite a moneymaker.
Pacheo vs John the beast Mugabi would be interesting
But I don't see him getting by a Roberto Duran at his prime.
The paceman would have been laid to rest.at 135
The fight I always wanted to see was Duran vs Julio Ceasar Chavez at 135 or 140 in their prime.
Yeah, you are right. Starling had a lot weird fights in his career.I did some Googlin' and Bumphus beat MArlon by scorecards when Moochie accidently headbutted him thus ending the fight due a gash on JB's forehead.
I do clearly remember Mooch dropping his gloves when a bell sounded and BANG(!!) down he went. National TV and Lampley calling the fight. But I clearly now misremember who the fight was against or if he resumed the fight.
Tyson in his prime is the best fighter the heavyweight division's ever seen and it's not even close. Ali gets a boost with his civic activism and self-promotion, but I feel like Tyson would have cut him to pieces. Foreman in his prime would have been too slow. Louis could have been heavy handed enough, but he wasn't anywhere near the athlete Tyson was. The only heavyweight that comes close to having that kind of a talent gap between himself and the rest of the field is probably Sullivan - and now we're getting to horse drawn carriages territory...
Hand speed, head movement, ability to punch for obscene power moving forwards and back and a terrifying understanding of the geometry of a boxing ring. I'm probably in the minority here, but the only guy really anywhere close to his league at the time was Tony Tucker (who did rock him pretty bad in their fight, btw), but even that's probably a push.
Tyson's training was bad, the management was bad and there's no doubt he didn't take the fight seriously. His corner didn't even have ice packs and instead were using gloves. It was a sh-- show. All that's true. But I think people have always under-rated Douglas. Douglas motivated, sharp and in shape was *easily* a top 4-5 guy in the division at the time. When he wasn't, he was a punching bag. He had a tremendous jab and his left hook - save for Tyson's overhead right - was probably the best punch in the division. I think the result was a combination of Douglas having an outstanding game plan, his being in great shape and fighting maybe the best fight of his life. I think Tyson's poor performance wasn't as much him being out of shape as it was more of a lack of game plan.
I mean sure, Douglas was a bad match up size/skill for Tyson, but then again so were Tony Tucker and Frank Bruno, really; and Tyson beat both handily. I think Douglas deserves credit for fighting a great fight built on a great game plan and Tyson's corner being completely ill-equipped to come up with any way to get Tyson back into the fight.
Hearns - Hagler is the undisputed champion. Both goes threw bombs from the jump
Going on a bit of a tangent and self-confession. I can't watch boxing any more. I've totally converted to MMA. Much better athletes and a higher level of strategy.
You have it backwards. Ali was an iconic social figure. People loved Ali. When Frazier knocked him down, many considered that to be a tragedy. People disliked Iron Mike.Ali almost seems to be downgraded for his skill because of his social activism during and after his career. . . . . Ali would have danced and picked Tyson apart with his jab and took Tyson out similar to the strategy against Foreman in the jungle. Ali took Foreman's best shots and Tyson didn't hit as hard as Foreman.