OT- Tony Stewart

[Waquoit]

Unfortunately, Ward, Sr.'s opinion is irrelevant to the situation. Far too much emotion to be unbiased. Of course he is going to blame "the other guy" when his son is involved.

I wonder if he told his kid to not take any from Stewart. If he wrecks you get right in his face. The sponsors will love it.

 

[Dave Carlson]

Wrong. He should be held to the standards of an experienced professional driver because that's what he is. Drop the hyperbole it undermines your point.

Wait, they changed Article 125 of the New York Penal Code? Please send me the update, thanks

 

[uconnell]

The best thing about getting a visit from the ladies' board is that the sort of panties-in-a-wad, overwrought, uber emotional, misting up, failure-of-all-logic post that you see above makes all the other illogical "he tried to hit him and a crime was committed" posts in thread seem all the less irrational.

Hey, hey watch that,I'm from the ladies board,well from the mens board and the football board. Don't assume we all get our panties in a wad.

 

[Husky25]

Wrong. He should be held to the standards of an experienced professional driver because that's what he is. Drop the hyperbole it undermines your point.

Is the same benefit of the doubt extended to Stewart on the Thruway? Hypothetically, Stewart is late for pre-race obligations. So in order to get to the track on time, he is doing 90 in a 55, while weaving in and out of traffic. Is it okay because he is a racecar driver and is used to going speeds twice that and in a bigger crowd? Or does the double standard only come into play because he hurt someone?

I'm not a lawyer or a criminal investigator, but my opinion is a valuable as anyone else's. I've only seen the recording a few times, but I think that IF Stewart is charged, the most they can possibly find him guilty of is Criminally Negligent Homicide. OTOH, it probably won't go to a jury and they will plead down to a lesser charge. Whatever anyone thinks Stewart may have done (try to scare Ward, brown-wash him, Run him down, or didn't see him until it was too late - which is my personal opinion), it can't be proven by that video alone. The news said the investigators have a 2nd (and possibly more), recording so it will be interesting to see if they make it to the Court of Public Opinion (doubtful).

As far as sentencing, remember, Donte' Stallworth committed DUI Manslaughter (BAC of .12 and weed), and all he got was 30 days (served 24), revoked license, community service, and probation. Later, Yahoo! reported he ordered his lawyers to accept a plea deal that convicted him of a felony even when evidence showed he had an excellent chance of being found innocent. In that case, the victim ran across a normally busy causeway outside of a crosswalk. Booze and dope apparently notwithstanding, could Stallworth reasonably expect the victim to be there? Probably not. Could Stewart reasonably expect a 20 year old to pick a fight with a 1,400 lb. machine? Are all racing rules and regs. thrown out because a crime occurred? That is something for the investigators to figure out. The fact remains that Ward's profession is already inherently extremely dangerous and he put himself further into harm's way, which is against racing norms as well as regulations (at least as far as I understand them).

 

[jleves]

The best thing about getting a visit from the ladies' board is that the sort of panties-in-a-wad, overwrought, uber emotional, misting up, failure-of-all-logic post that you see above makes all the other illogical "he tried to hit him and a crime was committed" posts in thread seem all the less irrational.

I was going to respond to that post but I don' think I could top this.

 

[Strummer]

. . . . my opinion is a valuable as anyone else's.

One of the great tragedies of the Internet is the inherent propagation of this falsehood.

(this is not directed at Husky 25 in particular)

 

[David 76]

This situation begs the question...what would you do?

For discussion sake...let's assume that Tony's anger got the best of him...and he intended to scare the kid a little but it went horribly wrong. So there is no intent...just a collasal f up. Knowing what I know about Tony and this situation...I would say this is what I think happened.

So you are Tony.....what do you do? Fess up and go to jail? What would that do...won't bring the kid back. The only thing it will do is give you a piece of mind that you did the right thing. But doing the right thing means destroying your life.

Would you do the selfless right thing and confess that you messed up....or would you try to bury it away and move on with your life. One path results in losing everything.....your freedom, your wealth and your future. The other path you may retain your career and wealth but you will feel guilty as hell.

I would like to say I would do the right thing...but I am sure it is a tough call for him.

Character is what you do when nobodies looking. This would be a big test that I hope I would pass. What I wouldn't do is tell everyone I was going to race that weekend.

 

[David 76]

One of the great tragedies of the Internet is the inherent propagation of this falsehood.

(this is not directed at Husky 25 in particular)

Strummer, your arrogance makes your opinion meaningless to me. You are not the arbiter of valid opinions.
I actually think you are not like the Strummer on Boneyard but for some reason you try to put this demeanor forward. Maybe, I'm wrong.You may be this arrogant all the time. For your sake, I hope not.

 

[Strummer]

Strummer, your arrogance makes your opinion meaningless to me.

So you agree that all opinions are not equally valuable! Wonderful.

I'll add you to the list of the converted.

Yeah, I'm always like this. It's part of trying to live my life as free as possible from all of the socially demanded BS that human beings prefer. I got tired of the silliness a long time ago. It took some further time to shrug off several decades of conditioning. The part that gets left out is that most people would probably consider me funny as hell in real life. That doesn't translate to a BB message board well.

Now, when some half-wit claims that all opinions are of equal value, for example during a conversation about Iran, I point out that people who can't find Iran on a map, who don't know the difference between Sunni and Shiite, who have never heard of operation Ajax, and who don't understand the significance of the energy reserves remaining in the Caspian basin, have opinions on the matter that are probably baseless, and therefore not useful.

Sure, it cuts way back on the number of friends I'd have on facebook, if I did that, but choices must be made, and made they shall be, and those choices have consequences.

Make the choice, live with the consequence.

Still reading? You ARE converted!

 

[David 76]

Still reading and you got me to laugh. As usual, I get your point and mostly agree. But not converted.
The style seems intended to offend and I believe that most of us are doing the best we can with what we have.
I appreciate your responding.

 

[Rocktheworld]

So you agree that all opinions are not equally valuable! Wonderful.

I'll add you to the list of the converted.

Yeah, I'm always like this. It's part of trying to live my life as free as possible from all of the socially demanded BS that human beings prefer. I got tired of the silliness a long time ago. It took some further time to shrug off several decades of conditioning. The part that gets left out is that most people would probably consider me funny as hell in real life. That doesn't translate to a BB message board well.

Now, when some half-wit claims that all opinions are of equal value, for example during a conversation about Iran, I point out that people who can't find Iran on a map, who don't know the difference between Sunni and Shiite, who have never heard of operation Ajax, and who don't understand the significance of the energy reserves remaining in the Caspian basin, have opinions on the matter that are probably baseless, and therefore not useful.

Sure, it cuts way back on the number of friends I'd have on facebook, if I did that, but choices must be made, and made they shall be, and those choices have consequences.

Make the choice, live with the consequence.

Still reading? You ARE converted!

Wow I'm surprised you didn't just go with the example of some people still thinking the earth is 6000 years old and/or flat.

 

[CallMeBruce]

Wow I'm surprised you didn't just go with the example of some people still thinking the earth is 6000 years old and/or flat.

I used to work with a guy (a Syracuse grad, no less) who thinks the moon landing was faked.

 

[Husky25]

I used to work with a guy (a Syracuse grad, no less) who thinks the moon landing was faked.

The hoax conspiracy was debunked by Adam and Jamie.

 

[CallMeBruce]

The hoax conspiracy was debunked by Adam and Jamie.

Yeah, I didn't need Mythbusters to tell me that. My point was that a guy thought a really dumb thing.

 

[Husky25]

Yeah, I didn't need Mythbusters to tell me that. My point was that a guy thought a really dumb thing.

Even in the presence of near incontrovertible evidence, a lot of people still believe the moon landings were faked (among other controversies/conspiracies). It's not just that one person.

 

[CallMeBruce]

Even in the presence of near incontrovertible evidence, a lot of people still believe the moon landings were faked (among other controversies/conspiracies). It's not just that one person.

I'm aware that this is a widely held belief. I happen to think that it's a stupid and indefensible belief. I was hoping that the fact that this guy managed to attain a degree from Syracuse while believing that we faked the moon landing would draw more of a response.

 

[Rocktheworld]

Even in the presence of near incontrovertible evidence, a lot of people still believe the moon landings were faked (among other controversies/conspiracies). It's not just that one person.

I mean people by the billions still believe in a theistic god.

 

[Husky25]

I mean people by the billions still believe in a theistic god.

I thought about that, but I don't think it is the same thing. Not only does the moon landing evidence prove against a hoax, but the evidence also proves that the moon landings actually happened.

You cannot prove that there is no God, because no one has gone far enough and come back to reanimation. For me personally, (and my guess is for many, many others) faith fills in the gaps where science leaves off.

 

[Rocktheworld]

I thought about that, but I don't think it is the same thing. Not only does the moon landing evidence prove against a hoax, but the evidence also proves that the moon landings actually happened.

You cannot prove that there is no God, because no one has gone far enough and come back to reanimation. For me personally, (and my guess is for many, many others) faith fills in the gaps where science leaves off.

This is about believing something despite contrary evidence being provided, and there is plenty of evidence that runs contrary to what you see in the bible and quran.

 

[Husky25]

This is about believing something despite contrary evidence being provided, and there is plenty of evidence that runs contrary to what you see in the bible and quran.

The flip side to that is the same evidence that disproves the hoax, simultaneously proves the moon landings.

In terms of theology, there is certainly evidence against what is in the Bible (I don't know what in the Quran I don't speak/read/write the language. I hear it is taken quite literally though), but that does not prove there is no God, necessarily. Jesus was a real live human being. He existed. Was he God or a god? I don't know.

I, for one, do not take the Bible quite so literal. I actually regard it as a big game of Telephone. Most people in that era were illiterate. The Bible was a collection of stories and fables told word-of-mouth, and any given story could have been told ever so slightly different than how it was heard. Then it was written down however many years later (How long was a year in those days? How long was an hour or minute?), but after the stories were written down, they were translated, retold, and written in different languages all the while being changed ever so slightly each step along the way. Can I prove my theory? No not really. I think it's logical though. After all, The King James Bible wasn't published for just under 16 centuries after Christ was to have died). The bigger question is can you disprove it. The answer is equally in the negative.

This is not the case with the moon landings.

I didn't think my post would lead to a cesspool-like hijacking, so that is the last I'll address this topic here.

 

[sdhusky]

One of the great tragedies of the Internet is the inherent propagation of this falsehood.

(this is not directed at Husky 25 in particular)

Well, he was right. His opinion is just as valuable as anyone else on the internet.

ie: worthless.

At least that's my opinion.

 

[Husky25]

Which is worth as much as yours, evidently.

 

[Strummer]

Re: science - I live for science. My first great love (outside of females, baseball, and cracker jacks). I don't think the moon landing science is particularly overwhelming on either side. I also don't think that the psychology is particularly slam dunk on either side. There are plenty of holes in the official story, to be sure, but there are holes in the conspiracy story, as well.

I'd really love to be able to put a few folks on a lie detector on this one.

Some quick examples of eyebrow raisers in the official story - the story goes that hundreds of pounds of rocks were brought back from the moon. Only rice sized grains have ever been allowed to be examined, however. It is well known that moon rocks ended up in Antarctica after meteorite collisions on the moon. Von Braughn went to Antarctica prior to the moon missions. If the rocks NASA claims are moon rocks are from the moon, then give a couple out to independent researchers to examine, and not just some rice sized samples - some boulders. NASA claims it lost the original moon video. Um. Really? The most important technological moment in the history of its existence, and historically extremely important, and they lost it? Come on. If you want people to believe what you are saying, then you can't "lose" the best evidence that would kill what the conspiracy guys are saying; it raises the reasonable conclusion that the video tape would have provided evidence of a hoax. There are others that are eyebrow raising as well.

The problem with the moon landings and 911 is that people have such a huge vested interest in the outcome. Most people are born and raised to not question their own government's motives and behavior. It's been that way since the Sumerians, I'd guess. People therefore look for evidence to support their preconceived notions. Religion is a typical example of this behavior. Many people in my parents generation, for example, would never even consider that the moon landings were faked. Won't even look at any purported evidence. Just fold arm and look away, and, really, consider you a bad American for even considering it. Same with 911. One senator wanted to make it a crime to question the official story as treasonous. So when that is your perspective, are you going to weigh all evidence that is put in front of you? Or just the evidence that supports your patriotic position.

Because patriotism really is just one form of religious zealotry.

The reference to Mythbusters is a good example of how people approach this. The one guy on Mythbusters has a HS diploma and the other has a degree in Russian Linguistics. So they are by no means experts in anything lunar. But they produce a TV show and conclude such and such and people looking to support their opinion cite to that as a work of authority.


We got from Tony Stewart to the Moon Landings to Monotheism.
Well done boys.

 

[intlzncster]

One of the great tragedies of the Internet is the inherent propagation of this falsehood.

(this is not directed at Husky 25 in particular)

This always the case. Problem is, with the proliferation of the internet, we are now all patently aware of humanity's collective stupidity.

 

[intlzncster]

Still reading and you got me to laugh. As usual, I get your point and mostly agree. But not converted.
The style seems intended to offend and I believe that most of us are doing the best we can with what we have.
I appreciate your responding.

Man, the current incarnation of Strummer is waaaaaay more tame than his original moniker on TOB.

 

[intlzncster]

I used to work with a guy (a Syracuse grad, no less) who thinks the moon landing was faked.

I've me a LOT of people who think this. Amazing. I saw a video of Neil Armstrong (maybe Buzz A?) punching out a guy who was over-the-top harassing him about this. It was funny.

 

[intlzncster]

I'm aware that this is a widely held belief. I happen to think that it's a stupid and indefensible belief. I was hoping that the fact that this guy managed to attain a degree from Syracuse while believing that we faked the moon landing would draw more of a response.

Quite frankly, I thought that would be par for the course.

 

[Strummer]

Man, the current incarnation of Strummer is waaaaaay more tame than his original moniker on TOB.

Man, this is so right.
I'm not 1/2 the butt orifice I used to be.
What the hell happened to me?

 

[Geno-ista]

With his rear wheels?

Exactly what happened is a result of speeding up on the turn- whether it was to scare him or tap him or try to throw a ton of sand in his face. It's a known fact he would fish tail the back end in that direction if he gunned it coming out of the turn.

 

[jleves]

Exactly what happened is a result of speeding up on the turn- whether it was to scare him or tap him or try to throw a ton of sand in his face. It's a known fact he would fish tail the back end in that direction if he gunned it coming out of the turn.

Considering there is about 1/10th of second of video involving the car fishtailing, I can offer an equally reasonable solution: The kid came running down the track (which you can clearly see), slipped on the pretty banked turn of dirt, slid under the tire and caused the car to lose grip and fish tail out.

I'm no fan of Stewart but there is no more evidence that Stewart did anything than there is the kid sliding under the tire. Give it a rest.

Stewart is no angel, but racers are a very tight nit group and there is not one of them that would intentionally harm another with a car. Maybe with fists in the garage, but not with a car on the track.

I'm not sure what your agenda is regarding Stewart, but this is the second time you've decided people can do whatever they want with a car on a dirt track and you're simply wrong.