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OT Tim Brando: "There is too much privilege in college football"

whaler11 said:
They also happen to be the best teams every year... which is getting boring but at least Ohio State might finally miss a playoff.
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Not really. UCF may have won last year. They beat the team that beat both of the teams in the “national championship”. That was the farce.
 
dwalks93 said:
This is an inclusive and equitable concept which is exactly why it will never happen.

The P5 is not allowing (and is certainly not guaranteeing) the G5 a team in the playoff. Exclusivity and access is the key to insuring the current balance of power. Think of the recruiting advantage the P5 currently has....FSU can tell a recruit come to FSU and you can potentially play for a NC while a recruit at UCF knows no matter how much they win they'll be watching the playoff on the couch... Moreover, the elite power programs (like Bama) do not want to play another game to win a NC. The current system is perfect for the SEC, they'll try and put in 2 teams who only need to win 2 games to be the champion.

The current system promotes the biggest programs, the biggest fan bases, and the biggest money makers....this system is not flawed, it is functioning as designed.
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Yup - very good analysis. Only thing you left out is that the current system also perpetuates Notre Dame's precious independant status and individualized television and media contract with NBC. It's my opinion, already noted, that as long as Notre Dame can maintain independant status, the system will not change - for exactly the reason you state.

It's functioning exactly as it's designed and intended to, for those it benefits.
 
uconnfan68 said:
Not really. UCF may have won last year. They beat the team that beat both of the teams in the “national championship”. That was the farce.
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UCF beat Auburn who had already lost three times including to Clemson.

Should they have jumped one loss Clemson who also beat Auburn and whose SOS was ranked #4 (Sagarin has UCF playing one top 30 team and Clemson playing eight).

Or one loss Georgia with an SOS of #6 who played six top 30 teams.

Or Bama...(SOS #27)

Or Oklahoma (SOS #7)
 
UConn folks may be more familiar with Jesuit colleges than most of us...

With Georgetown, Holy Cross, St. John's, Xavier, Marquette, Creighton...and Boston College.

Heck...they could have the above and add Gonzaga, Santa Clara, St. Louis University, Fordham, and Canisius and have the Jesuit Conference
 
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Relegation would be interesting....

If you took the top 64 in Massey's Compilation end of year ratings last year.....and relegated the rest..you'd see some familiar names relegated downward...

Kansas, Oregon St., Illinois, Rutgers, North Carolina, Arkansas, Vanderbilt, Nebraska, Maryland, Florida, Syracuse, Virginia, Cal, & Minnesota.
 
uconndogs said:
No idea who your post is directed at, but if you are so naive as to think your view on fairness in college football is going to carry any weight on this board than more power to you. Honestly, the lack of self awareness and context is pretty amazing.
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So what's wrong with someone making a comment on the system overall? He's right about Clemson, so if you're worried about context and self awareness maybe he's suggesting UConn can grow into what Clemson has become.
That might be a biiiiiiiig stretch, but it's theoretically not impossible..............
 
Carl Spackler said:
Problem is that college football post season is stuck in limbo at present with this made by and for ESPN television BS four team 'playoff', morphed from the bowl system, rather than a true championship playoff of division 1A conferences. ESPN is dying under weight of bad contracts, and would love a true conference champion playoff bracket BUT Notre Dame and their 100 year NBC TV contract subsidizing independant status is the remaining obstacle to a true playoff system of conference champions. Gotta squeeze ND, but the ACC got on their knees to service the Irish Jesuit priests.

The common denominator is recruiting. As long as only a handful of schools and conferences the recruiting balance will get more and more lopsided, amd the same programs over and over will perpetuate, amd interest will decline.

In a true conference champions playoff, the field for recruiting players would be closer to level, than heavily skewed, and December college football would have opportunity to generate annual interest like March college basketball.
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Gotta hand it to those Jesuits.
 
There only needs to be 25ish football teams the rest of the teams are wasting money. After spending a weekend at school in the top 5, I've come to a realization that we are wasting our money at UConn. We will never be remotely okay at football, us northeastern just do not care the same way people in the south do.
 
Speaking of "privilege", I had no idea that Tom Byron is a UH alum.
 
champs99and04 said:
Seems like you're generalizing a lot here, though I do agree that Alabama has become increasingly like the UConn women in terms of dominance.

The playoff is what, four years old? You've had three different champions, four different runner-ups, and nine different participants. Sure, most of them have been traditional powers, but what did you expect? That's the way it's always going to be, no matter what the system is. Nobody was expecting to see Purdue in that New Year's Eve slot when the idea was hatched.
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I was expecting to see an undefeated UCF team in the Final 4 last year. Ironically, UCF probably would have had far more National Champion votes in the old BCS system than this current CFB Playoff. I do agree that college football is an Old Money Club and only a select few will ever get into the Playoff as currently situated. And in my opinion, that is exactly what makes this Playoff system a complete scam and an absolute dud. There are 4 spots and I expect the 4 best teams to be in the Playoff every year.
 
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Scrutiner said:
Gotta hand it to those Jesuits.
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If the ACC hadn't Flake d on Notre Dame and caved a couple years ago, they might have been pressed into conference affiliated football. Navy was already committed, and BYU and Army were simply waiting to get a seat somewhere.

As it is now, there is not a lot of leverage to be generated in any way to change things unless the television contracts simply dry up because nobody wants to watch anymore.
 
NavinRJohnson said:
Kind of like soccer?
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Yes. That is one method of sorting this out fairly. Promotion and Relegation was implemented because they had a huge density professional soccer clubs trying to compete at the same level.

I doubt the big boys like Alabama would ever get behind something like this but it would be pretty awesome.
 
Scrutiner said:
So what's wrong with someone making a comment on the system overall? He's right about Clemson, so if you're worried about context and self awareness maybe he's suggesting UConn can grow into what Clemson has become.
That might be a biiiiiiiig stretch, but it's theoretically not impossible....
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Nothing, but he's on here incessantly, harping to a fan base that has gotten the short-end of the stick on conference re-alignment, how fair the current system is. At some point it starts to sound like nails on the chalk board. There's a lot of folks, myself included, who are just tired of the shtick.
 
When Saban retires, things will go back to normal at Alabama. Same with Meyer and OSU.

Dabo Swinney is the man to worry about beyond 10 years.
 
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Butch said:
When Saban retires, things will go back to normal at Alabama. Same with Meyer and OSU.

Dabo Swinney is the man to worry about beyond 10 years.
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Tuscaloosa will come a-calling for its former son Dabo.
 
billybud said:
With Georgetown, Holy Cross, St. John's, Xavier, Marquette, Creighton...and Boston College.
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St John's is not a Jesuit University. Was Founded by the Congregation of the Mission.
 
Carl Spackler said:
Yup - very good analysis. Only thing you left out is that the current system also perpetuates Notre Dame's precious independant status and individualized television and media contract with NBC..
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Notre Dame's status is still untested. Clearly ND has a "preferred status" to every G5 team and is a "playoff selectable" team based on its current ranking (#3). However, ND is one of only 4 undefeated teams so we aren't comparing apples to apples.

The better questions is how to does ND rank against a P5 conference champion with the same win/loss record? ND is ranked so high right now because they are undefeated and a number of traditional P5 playoff selectable teams have lost a game (OSU, Oklahoma, Georgia, etc...)

The test will be what happens if ND loses a game? Would a one loss ND be selected over a one loss Big10 champion? What about a one loss ND versus one loss Big 12 champion? Or is it all team dependant? For example, would a one loss Big 12 champion Oklahoma get a playoff spot over a 1 loss ND but a one loss ND selected over a one loss Big12 champion WVU?

Bottom line - every UConn fan should be cheering for ND football to lose a game. What UConn needs is for a one loss ND to get passed over for playoff selection for a couple of one loss P5 champions. The only way ND ever joins a conference is if they believe their independant status hurts their ability to win a championship. Oh, and if ND decides to join a conference, it may start a new shuffle.
 
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dwalks93 said:
Notre Dame's status is still untested. Clearly ND has a "preferred status" to every G5 team and is a "playoff selectable" team based on its current ranking (#3). However, ND one of only 4 undefeated teams so we aren't comparing apples to apples.

The better questions is how to does ND rank against a P5 conference champion with the same win/loss record? ND is ranked so high right now because they are undeated and a number of traditional P5 playoff selectable teams have lost a game (OSU, Oklahoma, Georgia, etc...)

The test will be what happens if ND loses a game? Would a one loss ND be selected over a one loss Big10 champion? What about a one loss ND versus one loss Big 12 champion? Or is it all team dependant? For example, would a one loss Big 12 champion Oklahoma get a playoff spot over a 1 loss ND but a one loss ND selected over a one loss Big12 champion WVU?

Bottom line - every UConn fan should be cheering for ND football to lose a game. What UConn needs is for a one loss ND to get passed over for playoff selection for a couple of one loss P5 champions. The only way ND ever joins a conference is if they believe their independant status hurts their ability to win a championship. Oh, and if ND decides to join a conference, it may start a new shuffle.
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Would a one loss Michigan get in over a one loss ND, considering that Michigan’s one loss was to ND.
 
Five decades ago, I was in college, the Big Ten and Notre Dame were the traditional eastern big boys. And they still are.

Breaking in against the traditional powers doesn't happen overnight.

Fan bases are built, traditions built, gazillions expended, and decades spent chasing that white whale of a NC...before success.

UCF, like Miami, and FSU did, has a unique recruiting advantage over many programs..an advantage that may allow them to break through.
 
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Irishfan said:
Would a one loss Michigan get in over a one loss ND, considering that Michigan’s one loss was to ND.
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It's a great question and it goes to the untested nature of Notre Dame's status.

Clearly ND would have won a head to head match up with Michigan. But then again, ND would have lost more recently and Michigan would be on a 12 game winning streak.

At the end of the day I'll pick the money and the money is with the conferences. The Big10 won't let their 1 loss champion get snubbed and the P5 conferences will look out for each other...IMO if it comes down to ND/Michigan and they have both lost a game then Michigan gets the nod.
 
dwalks93 said:
It's a great question and it goes to the untested nature of Notre Dame's status.

Clearly ND would have won a head to head match up with Michigan. But then again, ND would have lost more recently and Michigan would be on a 12 game winning streak.

At the end of the day I'll pick the money and the money is with the conferences. The Big10 won't let their 1 loss champion get snubbed and the P5 conferences will look out for each other...IMO if it comes down to ND/Michigan and they have both lost a game then Michigan gets the nod.
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Of course, ND played Michigan with what is now their second string QB and without their best running back. But I agree that the conference’s will talk about that 13th data point as though it is really important. Of course, regarding those data points, Clemson would have Furman, Bama would have Louisiana Lafayette, and Michigan would have Western Michigan. And head to head should mean something. Maybe Clemson will beat Bama in the championship game, and they give the national championship to Alabama. If head to head doesn’t matter now, why should it matter then.
 
Penn State was the Big 10 Champ, beat Ohio State head to head...but it was Ohio State who went to the playoff.

Penn State had 2 losses...the Buckeyes only one..so the Buckeyes represented.
 
billybud said:
Penn State was the Big 10 Champ, beat Ohio State head to head...but it was Ohio State who went to the playoff.

Penn State had 2 losses...the Buckeyes only one..so the Buckeyes represented.
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And Ohio State didn’t have the 13th data point, so would that go as proof that the 13th data point isn’t really important?
 
It's very likely that if either Michigan or OSU runs the table they will be in along with Bama & Clemson.

If ND does lose a game they are still likely in. The only team with a chance to steal that spot would be if Texas wins out
 
Dooley said:
I was expecting to see an undefeated UCF team in the Final 4 last year.
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Were you actually, though? I wasn't. In fact, low expectations are probably the best defense against disappointment when it comes to college football. Scam or no scam, I'm just happy the BCS is gone and we can at least talk about four teams now.

It does suck to leave a team like UCF out. I think any reasonable person believes that they deserved a shot, whether that was at four teams, eight, or something else. Moving forward, you could probably solve some of those problems by creating a rule where the Georgia and Michigan's of the world have to travel outside the P5 to play a game every couple years. As things currently stand, the biggest challenges a school like UCF faces is that they're not prestigious enough to get a series with a big boy, meaning they have to schedule mediocre Big Ten programs like Illinois and then face the consequences when their OOC SOS sucks.
 
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