OT - Tiger/Masters Talk

[husky91]

Yes, where do these people even call and get heard? I was suprised to hear that the PGA even acknowledges these calls and they said they actually encourage it.

Thank you, I read through this whole thread and couldn't believe no one mentioned it. Was about to post something like this myself until you stole my thunder.

What kind of makes that call to the PGA Officials? Where would you even call? WTF? I bet that bunghole stickler-for-the-rules was so happy with himself too.

Also, people saying Tiger should WD are being sanctimonious wankers. The rules officials told him he was good to go. Once they realized they ducked up, they assessed the penalty. Done and done.

Much ado about nothing imo. Except for the who called in.

 

[Leebo]

Someone called the Augusta National clubhouse, according to the press conference they had.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Another angle.

Tiger's caddy f-ed up big time. Players can get caught up in the moment, brain fart, etc. But the caddy has to stay calm and make sure the drop is legal.

 

[husky91]

Wouldn't have been an issue until Tiger said be did he purposely to get a better length. If he didn't incriminate himself tourney officials would have left alone.

Another angle.

Tiger's caddy f-ed up big time. Players can get caught up in the moment, brain fart, etc. But the caddy has to stay calm and make sure the drop is legal.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Wouldn't have been an issue until Tiger said be did he purposely to get a better length. If he didn't incriminate himself tourney officials would have left alone.

Yeah but if the caddy intervenes there isn't any incriminating statement.

 

[blackbird]

This is where the myth of Tiger gets in the way of what Tiger actually does.

Tiger is great because he's the best putter. He had "stumbled" for a few years because his putting hadn't been as great. It's now returning, he's now winning.

Tiger ALWAYS scrambled. If he wasn't scrambling, the rest of the field has no chance. But Tiger has always been all over the golf course. So to say that he's done, because he's continuing to be all over the golf course..is silly.

 

[mauconnfan]

We have different definitions of "cheating".

Most pro golfers, current and retired, say he should be DQed. Either by the officials or by himself.

Greg Norman at the GHO is a good example of a doing what's right.[/quot

Norman is a real bad comparison - he didn't want to even be there Chin.....!! He was looking for an out......

 

[JayKoz]

Some of the people in this thread coming in to talk golf are making themselves look like complete fools.

Here's an absolute undeniable fact though.. If Tiger's ball doesn't hit the pin, he's tied and possibly in the outright lead.

Anyone thinking his career is "done" is absolutely clueless. Yeah, lets look at 3 holes and base our entire opinion of his golf game off of them. Logical.

 

[husky91]

Yes and really why he has never won a major w/o 54 hole lead. He can't catch guys, he gives himself too few legit chances in a round. Unless he plays a virtually flawless round and goes for a 66 or so he won't change that streak today.

His margin between the field is narrow and is really negative in these strong fields, the field is better. He may get another 1 or even 2 majors, but I doubt 4-5.

This is where the myth of Tiger gets in the way of what Tiger actually does.

Tiger is great because he's the best putter. He had "stumbled" for a few years because his putting hadn't been as great. It's now returning, he's now winning.

Tiger ALWAYS scrambled. If he wasn't scrambling, the rest of the field has no chance. But Tiger has always been all over the golf course. So to say that he's done, because he's continuing to be all over the golf course..is silly.

 

[husky91]

Here's an absolute undeniable fact though. If Tiger's ball doesn't hit the pin, he's tied and possibly in the outright lead.

It's only an undeniable fact that it did hit the stick and went in the drink. Will there be an asterisk it hit the stick on 15 and if it didn't Tiger could have won? And an asterisk for every other missed opportunity every other golfer had?

As for "done," that is winning and dominating majors. He may get 1-2 more, but that is getting harder and harder with each passing tourney where he doesn't. Fields are tougher, courses are more difficult and his game is losing its edge against both.

 

[mauconnfan]

Umm, who knows what he's at. Go watch his 16-18 today, awful golf holes. He scrambles and hangs around, but he gives himself too few birdie opportunities. His driving is awful. His length used to allow him to hit his stinger and still have a low or mid range iron in, no more. Has to hit woods and just awful. If his short game wasn't strong this week he'd be 6-8 back.

He can't have huge portions of his game not working. Yes, he can win a number of Honda Classics with bad fields, but he will struggle to win another major. Best chance is 2015 open @ St Andrews.

No way he sniffs Jack's 18.

I love Tiger haters, they are in denial........I could care less if he wins this one or not if you think he's not back to a point where he is competitive enough to win majors your ignorant. He's playing like the old Tiger and the way he played even the last 3 holes despite being all over the place is a major reason he's back......he was never consistently in fairways stinger or not. He hit 5 iron to 12 feet on 15 yesterday so you're right his length blows now!!....but the best is "If his short game wasn't strong this week he'd be 6-8 back."........that's the first time that's ever happened to a pro golfer huh?

 

[bear]

I love Tiger haters, they are in denial........I could care less if he wins this one or not if you think he's not back to a point where he is competitive enough to win majors your ignorant. He's playing like the old Tiger and the way he played even the last 3 holes despite being all over the place is a major reason he's back......he was never consistently in fairways stinger or not. He hit 5 iron to 12 feet on 15 yesterday so you're right his length blows now!!....but the best is "If his short game wasn't strong this week he'd be 6-8 back."........that's the first time that's ever happened to a pro golfer huh?

Thank you for making sense. The blind hatred that this guy gets is unbelievable.

 

[mauconnfan]

Thank you for making sense. The blind hatred that this guy gets is unbelievable.

Yeah huh? Listen I get the fact he cheated on his wife and to many their sense of morals will never allow him back in their fav's, that's fine. It's the holier than thou who already disliked the character prior to knowing he was cheating and now they hammer him whenever possible, especially with this little "who cares" mishap Friday. It's ridiculous quite honestly because whether you like him or hate him golf's not the same on the weekend without him involved........let's see how many viewers are staring down the TV with a Cabrera Snedeker final run? I will watch it because I love golf, but I know there are mahy that would rather see Tiger trying to come back or even fail for that matter.....he is huge for the game and the only reason it is where it is!!! It's not Phil or Rory I promise!

 

[husky91]

His short game is exceptionally well, he's making a higher % of up and downs and par saves than normal, probably 3-4 shots favorable than a normal week.

I'm a huge Tiger fan, favorite golfer by far. I just observe his game and why he hasn't won majors in last several years.

He hasn't won with a 54 hold deficit, which is telling. We'll see at Oakmont, that place is brutal.

I love Tiger haters, they are in denial........I could care less if he wins this one or not if you think he's not back to a point where he is competitive enough to win majors your ignorant. He's playing like the old Tiger and the way he played even the last 3 holes despite being all over the place is a major reason he's back......he was never consistently in fairways stinger or not. He hit 5 iron to 12 feet on 15 yesterday so you're right his length blows now!!....but the best is "If his short game wasn't strong this week he'd be 6-8 back."........that's the first time that's ever happened to a pro golfer huh?

 

[mauconnfan]

His short game is exceptionally well, he's making a higher % of up and downs and par saves than normal, probably 3-4 shots favorable than a normal week.

I'm a huge Tiger fan, favorite golfer by far. I just observe his game and why he hasn't won majors in last several years.

He hasn't won with a 54 hold deficit, which is telling. We'll see at Oakmont, that place is brutal.

Agree on Oakmont but that may take out all of the top players that week because it's brutal..........he will certainly be tested as will all of golf........that course will be won by the straightest hitter who makes putts and stays out of the most trouble.......the stinger may be back for that one!

He's always made more saves than anyone from crazy places I don't think he's any better at that this year...........stats may tell us otherwise!

 

[intlzncster]

Another angle.

Tiger's caddy f-ed up big time. Players can get caught up in the moment, brain fart, etc. But the caddy has to stay calm and make sure the drop is legal.

Is Stevie Williams laughing is ass off somewhere you think?

 

[mauconnfan]

Is Stevie Williams laughing is ass off somewhere you think?

Steve Williams is an a**!!!!

 

[CAHUSKY]

Is Stevie Williams laughing is ass off somewhere you think?

He'll be two holes behind Tiger caddying for Adam Scott today

 

[intlzncster]

Yes and really why he has never won a major w/o 54 hole lead. He can't catch guys, he gives himself too few legit chances in a round. Unless he plays a virtually flawless round and goes for a 66 or so he won't change that streak today.

His margin between the field is narrow and is really negative in these strong fields, the field is better. He may get another 1 or even 2 majors, but I doubt 4-5.

The field is definitely better. A large part of that is due to Tiger himself I would say, forcing everyone else to raise their games.

 

[intlzncster]

Steve Williams is an a**!!!!

So that's a Yes?

 

[intlzncster]

He'll be two holes behind Tiger caddying for Adam Scott today

OK, so maybe a chuckle instead. Doesn't want to interrupt the course of play.

 

[mauconnfan]

I just don't understand why it would be so funny to Steve Williams......Tiger knows the rules better than he or his new caddy........and his guy isn't doing a lot of winning!

 

[Chin Diesel]

I don't know how Tiger feels about Steve Williams or vice versa.

I did read an article a few weeks ago during the Bay Hill tournament where they were guestimating the net worth of many golfers and stuff. Steve Williams is estimated around $20M. Not bad for a looper. He is well beyond carrying clubs to make a living.

 

[intlzncster]

I just don't understand why it would be so funny to Steve Williams......Tiger knows the rules better than he or his new caddy........and his guy isn't doing a lot of winning!

Dude, it was a small joke. Steve and Tiger split in slightly less than amicable circumstances (sarcasm). Tiger fired him and Steve was irate.

It's not about who knows the rules better. It's about being able to apply the rules in the heat of the moment. Being removed from the direct pressure of the situation, it's the caddie's job to make sure that happens. In Tiger's own words:

Tiger "admitted the circumstances left him a bit dazed.

"I wasn't even really thinking," Woods said. "I was still a little ticked at what happened, and I was just trying to figure out, 'OK, I need to take some yardage off this shot,' and that's all I was thinking about was trying to make sure I took some yardage off of it, and evidently it was pretty obvious, I didn't drop in the right spot."

So his new caddy technically ducked up, because he should have had the cool head in that situation. That is one of their main jobs.

Therefore, Steve is happy it sticks it in Tiger's piehole.

 

[intlzncster]

I don't know how Tiger feels about Steve Williams or vice versa.

I did read an article a few weeks ago during the Bay Hill tournament where they were guestimating the net worth of many golfers and stuff. Steve Williams is estimated around $20M. Not bad for a looper. He is well beyond carrying clubs to make a living.

Oh he made a sh!tload of money of Tiger, no doubt. Steve should be forever grateful to him. But he's also a wanker and is pretty salty Tiger fired him, after Steve stuck with him through the whole sex scandal thing.