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OT: This was not the Patriots year. We knew that.

Butch said:
Yankees fans ARE front runners. You kidding me? Compare the number of Yankees fans to Mets fans. Is it just because the Yankees are in the AL and the AL is more popular???
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Guess you don't know what front runners are ay Butch? We all have them I agree, but Yankee fans are ripped (only now) by Sox fans because we have so many WS rings. You know what take them all away and just give me the ones I've seen I am still a Yankee fan through and through while having more. There are plenty like me in CT unlike the Pats who just showed up on the early 2000s. Never saw a Patriot hat or jersey growing up in the middle of the state form the late 60's through the 90's never. There are bandwagon/front runners and there are just fans, Pats fans are the perfect meaning to either of those Yankee fans, for the most part, ARE NOT.
 
gtcam said:
You must have lived a sheltered life
Ive lived in Manchester since 1977 and have had family there since 1923
I am and know a ton of Giants fans who have lived there and still live there
IMO it were the Pats fans that were far a few
But then again maybe we all stick together
Anyway, as a Giants fan - I do support and like the Pats - despise the Eagles and Cowboys
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May have been my neighborhood. But people didn't talk about it as much back then either. So perhaps my friends were just Pats fans. One was a Steeler fan, and still is.

I moved there in 1971 from KC (age 5). The 1976 Patriots were 11-3. 77 9-5 1978 they were 11-5. 1979 9-5. 1980 10-6. Those were the teams that built up fans in the area. Lots of great memorable players. The Ray Berry teams were good too, and that was while I was at UConn.
 
The Patriots bandwagon got rolling in 1993 when they hired Parcells and drafted Bledsoe. It accelerated with earnest when Kraft bought the team. It wasn't 2001 or 2004. It was 1993.

The late 80's/early 90's Patriots were the Cleveland Browns of their day. It was an investment and the owners (Victor Kiam, and then James Orthwein) looked to get the biggest return for the least amount of money they could, and the product reflected that.

The fact that they played in a stadium unfit for a Texas high school didn't help, nor did the Lisa Olson scandal, but the Patriots were often blacked-out in the local demographic back then. The blessing in disguise was that Victor Kiam could not buy the stadium with the team. Kraft out bid him and got the lease rights with the Patriots. So when Orthwein (a Busch, of Anheuser-Busch notoriety) was exploring moving the franchise to St. Louis, Kraft wouldn't let them out of the lease.

"Following the NFL's approval of the sale, the Patriots sold out their entire 1994 season..."
 
Husky25 said:
The Patriots bandwagon got rolling in 1993 when they hired Parcells and drafted Bledsoe. It accelerated with earnest when Kraft bought the team. It wasn't 2001 or 2004. It was 1993.

The late 80's/early 90's Patriots were the Cleveland Browns of their day. It was an investment and the owners (Victor Kiam, and then James Orthwein) looked to get the biggest return for the least amount of money they could, and the product reflected that.

The fact that they played in a stadium unfit for a Texas high school didn't help, nor did the Lisa Olson scandal, but the Patriots were often blacked-out in the local demographic back then. The blessing in disguise was that Victor Kiam could not buy the stadium with the team. Kraft out bid him and got the lease rights with the Patriots. So when Orthwein (a Busch, of Anheuser-Busch notoriety) was exploring moving the franchise to St. Louis, Kraft wouldn't let them out of the lease.

"Following the NFL's approval of the sale, the Patriots sold out their entire 1994 season..."
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Accelerated is a good word to use although it still didn't catch on for a few years. But yeah Parcells did get the train moving a bit. The Lisa Olsen scandal wow, forgot about that.
 
upstater said:
What I'm getting from this thread is that football is everything in life and that friends, girlfriends, boyfriends, etc., all depend on what team you root for.
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Confirmed.

Growing up in NJ every single buddy was a Giant and Yankee fan, except one guy who was born in Florida and liked the Marlins.

No further dissension was tolerated.
 
jcaprio90 said:
Saying 32nd ranked defense is a convenient excuse, sure they gave up a lot of yards all year but also gave up the 5th fewest amount of points. So 5th ranked defense where it actually matters
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You didn't read the Barnwell piece. They faced fewer possessions and had better field positions than any other D. Other Ds faced 4 games worth of possessions more this year. And that's because of one reason: the Patriots offense. Puts that D in great position to defend, and gets them great field position. Patriots can gain 650 yards of O, the punter never punts the ball once, and they can still lose. That says everything about the defense. And it's not a surprise. Barnwell wrote that article before the Super Bowl and he was right.
 
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I knew some Pats fans in central CT growing up going back to the Steve Grogan days. Not a lot but some. In 1985 more popped up during their AFC title run. Then they went into hibernation until Parcells arrived. Since the Brady/Belichick era got rolling you can't go anywhere in this state without seeing someone with a Brady jersey or Pats hat.
 
FriarJ said:
LOL, Connecticut is the most screwed up state and it not even close. Money, taxes, corruption, crime, poverty. on top of all that a complete and utter identity crisis. Yeah a NE state should not be rooting for NE. SMH
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Wow, nice shallow stereotypes there. But I do not take it personally as I have barley even lived in CT since I was 18 (maybe for 1 year total as well as 1 or 2 summers in the past 15 years)...

But I would suggest you read up on the history between the team and the state.
 
It'll be interesting next year. I'm sure Belichick will be thinking about replacing Brady at some point when he decides that Brady is no longer his best option at qb. He's been a great qb but he isn't irreplaceable.
 
Patriots fans are not going to disappear now. We still have Cowboys, Dolphins, Steelers, etc, fans.
 
uconnric said:
It'll be interesting next year. I'm sure Belichick will be thinking about replacing Brady at some point when he decides that Brady is no longer his best option at qb. He's been a great qb but he isn't irreplaceable.
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It's going to be a loooooooooong time before any QB leads their team to at least 8 Super Bowls again, if ever....
 
FriarJ said:
whatever, ancient history, and it doesnt change what a mess CT. is. somebody wondering how a NE state could have fans rooting for a team named NE is silly. Unless of course NY is CT.'s daddy. As I said, screwed up.
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Are you from RI? The biggest leach state in the country? If it weren’t for Boston and the CT casinos the unemployment rate would hover around 87% in RI.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
Nonsense. I grew up in CT and everyone I knew was a Patriots fan. 70's and 80's. UConn mid 80's was about 40% Giants, 35% Patriots and the rest Jets and other. Memo: Fairfield Cty. is not "Connecticut". It's in it, but it's the part least representative of the rest of the state.
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Completely false.
 
Jimmy Serrano said:
Are you from RI? The biggest leach state in the country? If it weren’t for Boston and the CT casinos the unemployment rate would hover around 87% in RI.
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Not to mention, this is what they call pizza:

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uconnric said:
It'll be interesting next year. I'm sure Belichick will be thinking about replacing Brady at some point when he decides that Brady is no longer his best option at qb. He's been a great qb but he isn't irreplaceable.
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Lmfao.
 
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To say that the Patriots fans "knew" it wasn't their year is preposterous. Everyone I saw in Minneapolis was convinced it would take an act of god for the Pats to lose. And half of them were crying during/after the game that the refs handed the game to Philly. Everyone was convinced that the early season defensive issues were solved.

The crowd was decidedly Philly - and Philly pushed it for 60 minutes, not 58.

Stadium was fantastic - except for egress. They didn't have all of the entrances open - it took nearly an hour to get outside. Had there been an issue - it would have been a stampede and people would have died. It was like Times Square on NYE - and that was with all of the Philly fans sitting in their seats to watch the trophy presentation.

Oddly - I was pretty happy for the Eagles fans. Doesn't mean I will ever attend a game in Philly in opposing colors, but for the most part they were respectful and truly happy. I was pretty much surrounded by them and the most obnoxious people were the two Pats fans behind me.
 
nomar said:
Doesn't seem you understand the basis for his comment. The Patriots used CT as leverage to get a new stadium. Personally, I don't think that's a reason for someone to stop liking their favorite team, but your reaction was uninformed. You should have wondered why he said that, rather than make a blanket comment about a state based on ignorance.
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I did not know that’s what he meant. My apologies
 
Fishy said:
Strange take given that the Patriots were favored to win the Super Bowl from like last February, but all right.

And Tom Brady is still pretty good. Yes, he’d be the third-best quarterback on the Eagles and he’d have to play blocker or something at the Manning family flag football games, but there’s no shame in that. He’s still the best Tom Brady.
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J187Money said:
To say that the Patriots fans "knew" it wasn't their year is preposterous. Everyone I saw in Minneapolis was convinced it would take an act of god for the Pats to lose. And half of them were crying during/after the game that the refs handed the game to Philly. Everyone was convinced that the early season defensive issues were solved.

The crowd was decidedly Philly - and Philly pushed it for 60 minutes, not 58.

Stadium was fantastic - except for egress. They didn't have all of the entrances open - it took nearly an hour to get outside. Had there been an issue - it would have been a stampede and people would have died. It was like Times Square on NYE - and that was with all of the Philly fans sitting in their seats to watch the trophy presentation.

Oddly - I was pretty happy for the Eagles fans. Doesn't mean I will ever attend a game in Philly in opposing colors, but for the most part they were respectful and truly happy. I was pretty much surrounded by them and the most obnoxious people were the two Pats fans behind me.
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That act of God was Brady's fumble. lol
 
J187Money said:
To say that the Patriots fans "knew" it wasn't their year is preposterous. Everyone I saw in Minneapolis was convinced it would take an act of god for the Pats to lose. And half of them were crying during/after the game that the refs handed the game to Philly. Everyone was convinced that the early season defensive issues were solved.

The crowd was decidedly Philly - and Philly pushed it for 60 minutes, not 58.

Stadium was fantastic - except for egress. They didn't have all of the entrances open - it took nearly an hour to get outside. Had there been an issue - it would have been a stampede and people would have died. It was like Times Square on NYE - and that was with all of the Philly fans sitting in their seats to watch the trophy presentation.

Oddly - I was pretty happy for the Eagles fans. Doesn't mean I will ever attend a game in Philly in opposing colors, but for the most part they were respectful and truly happy. I was pretty much surrounded by them and the most obnoxious people were the two Pats fans behind me.
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Would've loved to go to the game, but... on patsfans, it was different. There have been several year long threads on this issue. There is consensus this morning.

This was me back in December: How are the Pats 12-3 and on the verge of Home Field throughout ? Mind boggling defensive stats.

"Patriots have had a very weak schedule. They have 3 wins against playoff teams: Saints, Steelers, and Falcons. They've played a lot of very weak teams. People giving the defense kudos this weekend for stopping the Bills in the second half. Except has anyone looked to see how the Bills have played in the second half for the last few weeks?

Going backward: 3 points, 3 points, 0 points, 0 points, 3 points. That's 9 points in 5 second halfs. Less than a point per quarter."

This was me last week: "Expert" predictions thread

"The Patriots D scares me to death. I'm expecting a loss.

The recent Barnwell article summed up my feelings. The Patriots offense is putting the D is fantastic position. When I read that the Jags defense had to face 4 games worth of offensive possessions MORE than the Patriots D, it jibed with what I've been seeing. I have not been convinced by them all year, but couldn't really put my finger on it. Just team speed in the middle maybe? But then when I read the Barnwell article about how the D greatly benefits from the Patriots offense, unlike any other team in the league, it gave me pause. By comparison, the Jags D faced 4 games worth more offensive possessions than the Patriots D. And that's because of the Patriots O."
 
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mauconnfan said:
Accelerated is a good word to use although it still didn't catch on for a few years. But yeah Parcells did get the train moving a bit. The Lisa Olsen scandal wow, forgot about that.
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I sat on those damn metal bleachers at Schaefer many a cold day with my father watching terrible football. The stands were not always full. There were plenty of Pats fans around but nothing like now. It’s quite a phenomenon that I still can’t believe has happened. There are a group of longtime fans and some of today’s younger fans would still be fans if the sucked but I would say that makes up about 1/3 the fan base. 1/3 will remain casual fans and the other 1/3 will go away when it ends. I see it happening in Seattle
 
FriarJ said:
I sat on those damn metal bleachers at Schaefer many a cold day with my father watching terrible football. The stands were not always full. There were plenty of Pats fans around but nothing like now. It’s quite a phenomenon that I still can’t believe has happened. There are a group of longtime fans and some of today’s younger fans would still be fans if the sucked but I would say that makes up about 1/3 the fan base. 1/3 will remain casual fans and the other 1/3 will go away when it ends. I see it happening in Seattle
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Fair post, ok you're not as much of a ****head now.:eek:
 
Travelman32 said:
Wow, nice shallow stereotypes there. But I do not take it personally as I have barley even lived in CT since I was 18 (maybe for 1 year total as well as 1 or 2 summers in the past 15 years)...

But I would suggest you read up on the history between the team and the state.
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Yes I missed that, you have my apologies
 
upstater said:
Would've loved to go to the game, but... on patsfans, it was different. There have been several year long threads on this issue. There is consensus this morning.

This was me back in December: How are the Pats 12-3 and on the verge of Home Field throughout ? Mind boggling defensive stats.

"Patriots have had a very weak schedule. They have 3 wins against playoff teams: Saints, Steelers, and Falcons. They've played a lot of very weak teams. People giving the defense kudos this weekend for stopping the Bills in the second half. Except has anyone looked to see how the Bills have played in the second half for the last few weeks?

Going backward: 3 points, 3 points, 0 points, 0 points, 3 points. That's 9 points in 5 second halfs. Less than a point per quarter."

This was me last week: "Expert" predictions thread

"The Patriots D scares me to death. I'm expecting a loss.

The recent Barnwell article summed up my feelings. The Patriots offense is putting the D is fantastic position. When I read that the Jags defense had to face 4 games worth of offensive possessions MORE than the Patriots D, it jibed with what I've been seeing. I have not been convinced by them all year, but couldn't really put my finger on it. Just team speed in the middle maybe? But then when I read the Barnwell article about how the D greatly benefits from the Patriots offense, unlike any other team in the league, it gave me pause. By comparison, the Jags D faced 4 games worth more offensive possessions than the Patriots D. And that's because of the Patriots O."
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I thought it was a toss up. But to the point some are making, many of my Pats fan friends were having none of it. They thought Philly would go down. I think they underrated Foles, even though Brady was a "backup" in our first superbowl win. When Philly thrashed a good Vikings defense, I knew this would be a very difficult game. With Edelman, McClellan and Hightower? Probably would have felt differently.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I thought it was a toss up. But to the point some are making, many of my Pats fan friends were having none of it. They thought Philly would go down. I think they underrated Foles, even though Brady was a "backup" in our first superbowl win. When Philly thrashed a good Vikings defense, I knew this would be a very difficult game. With Edelman, McClellan and Hightower? Probably would have felt differently.
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They simply couldn’t defend stacked receiver formations. Kudos to Philly for watching early season tape and attacking them like that.
 
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