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So, your theory is that a ballboy released .1 PSI from 12 balls in 90 seconds.

That is what you are saying?

Because science says the balls should have been at 11.3 PSI.

You are saying that because some balls were at 11.2 PSI, something else happened.

But why would a guy release .1 PSI? Answer that.

And then tell me why you believe a proven liar like Goodell? He was caught lying in this case.

He lied.

But you believe him.

But he lied.

And I'm the crazy one apparently because I do not have faith in liars.

I think the Mad Hatter may have added something extra to your tea.


give it up my friend, haters are punch drunk and they have an uncanny ability to stay uninformed

if they don't know a few facts by now, they simply choose not to
 
give it up my friend, haters are punch drunk and they have an uncanny ability to stay uninformed

if they don't know a few facts by now, they simply choose not to

Allow me to add Willie99 to the list of people who know more than the Commissioner of the highest profile sports league in the world.

It's not like he showed up to this job from a shift at Target. He's been a front office blue blood in the NFL for almost three decades. He has listened to thousands of hours of evidence and testimony on this topic. He has the highest paid, most savvy legal counsel advising him on every step. He has a network of the smartest experts in every facet of the NFL at his disposal.

But Willie99 and upstater from the Boneyard cracked the case! Congrats!
 
give it up my friend, haters are punch drunk and they have an uncanny ability to stay uninformed

if they don't know a few facts by now, they simply choose not to
They're just trolling you (and everyone else).

Look the leaders of NFLPA are not exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer. They negotiated a bad agreement, and then signed on that agreement. As such they and members of the organization are required to follow the agreement. All the court did was say the actions were in concordance with said agreement. Indeed that's what Berman said at the outset, he was not going to re-try the case, that is not under his purview, he simply looked at the contract and said that it it did not; his colleagues disagreed.

The worst thing about this is Lester Munson, the dumbest lawyer (oops disbarred legal authority) either side of the Rockies was accidentally right, or accidentally predicted the ruling. Now his rotting carcass will be wheeled out again when things like this appear. Na, Ja, it's not that I watch ESPN much anyway.
 
There's only one piece of evidence that matters in the entire case.

Temperature affects air pressure.

The NFL has decided that they can't admit this fact of nature at this point, because they'll look like idiots for not thinking of it before, but they end up looking like idiots anyway.
 
Allow me to add Willie99 to the list of people who know more than the Commissioner of the highest profile sports league in the world.

It's not like he showed up to this job from a shift at Target. He's been a front office blue blood in the NFL for almost three decades. He has listened to thousands of hours of evidence and testimony on this topic. He has the highest paid, most savvy legal counsel advising him on every step. He has a network of the smartest experts in every facet of the NFL at his disposal.

But Willie99 and upstater from the Boneyard cracked the case! Congrats!
You understand that your argument is nothing more than an appeal to authority? The place or occupation of a person doesn't mean his (Goodell's) argument or position is correct, nor does it matter who advised or who agrees.
Moreover, Berman nor the 2nd Court of Appeals never ruled on the evidence nor even examined it, they ruled was the process within the framework of the contract in place. If Goodell got all the facts wrong, that matters not one iota. All that matters was is it in concordance with the contract. It is ruled to be so, and so it is.
 
You understand that your argument is nothing more than an appeal to authority? The place or occupation of a person doesn't mean his (Goodell's) argument or position is correct, nor does it matter who advised or who agrees.
Moreover, Berman nor the 2nd Court of Appeals never ruled on the evidence nor even examined it, they ruled was the process within the framework of the contract in place. If Goodell got all the facts wrong, that matters not one iota. All that matters was is it in concordance with the contract. It is ruled to be so, and so it is.
Can't reason with someone who has no ability to reason.
 
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I don't really care but I think you went around the actual question of why he destroyed his cell phone. I mean think about it he destroyed it, ruined it. Ts5034 is curious about it, maybe it's easy to tweak text transcripts, I don't know. But I do know the timing is questionable wouldn't you agree?

Considering all the personal crap that's on those things, I have no problem with anybody taking a sledgehammer to one they want to get rid of. Timing? Of course he should have destroyed it when he did. They told him they didn't need it. My first inclination in his situation would be to do the exact same thing. Why wait around for them to change their minds, and look what happened with the personal info anyway. It got released, thanks to his little POS cell phone.

A few years back I read about a survey they conducted regarding people who find lost cell phones. Surprisingly, the majority in the poll, something like 57 percent, told the interviewers they attempted to or did return the phones to their owners. However, the vast majority of those folks admitted they went through the entire phone before returning it, looking at everything.

I found one in a supermarket parking lot a few years ago. I had zero interest in looking at anything on the phone. I simply returned it to a Sprint office since it was a Sprint phone, and let them figure out who it belonged to. Why should I care what some complete stranger has on their phone?
 
... He has listened to thousands of hours of evidence and testimony on this topic. He has the highest paid, most savvy legal counsel advising him on every step. He has a network of the smartest experts in every facet of the NFL at his disposal.
and imagine that. He STILL got it wrong.
 
I mean, Goodell has worked under the tutelage of Pete Rozelle, Lamar Hunt and Paul Tagliabue. He's been in the league's front office since the early 80's. God forbid he should know as much as upstater from the Boneyard UConn Men's Basketball board, right?


So, what's your point? Goodell learned to lie, cheat and steal from the best of them? Or you think Rozelle, Hunt and Tagliabue were all choirboys? Which is it?
 
So, what's your point? Goodell learned to lie, cheat and steal from the best of them? Or you think Rozelle, Hunt and Tagliabue were all choirboys? Which is it?

Guessing no one knows, certainly not BYers despite the fact we have so many who believe they do. Good news for Goodell is he thinks he has something bad news is upstater disagrees, and Pats Nation too. Let's see who wins.
 
Allow me to add Willie99 to the list of people who know more than the Commissioner of the highest profile sports league in the world.

It's not like he showed up to this job from a shift at Target. He's been a front office blue blood in the NFL for almost three decades. He has listened to thousands of hours of evidence and testimony on this topic. He has the highest paid, most savvy legal counsel advising him on every step. He has a network of the smartest experts in every facet of the NFL at his disposal.

But Willie99 and upstater from the Boneyard cracked the case! Congrats!

what do you have against science? it's not real hard to learn something if you tried

science and scientists don't agree with Roger

Roger is a documented, proven liar, see Ray Rice

Roger manipulated facts and testimony.

Roger ignored all eyewitness / first hand testimony

Roger had a full season to do a study on ball pressure, he did nothing

The first judge mocked Roger's findings. The appeals judges said they're not ruling on the case, only saying Roger has the authority to do what he wants. Big difference

Roger manipulated the court of public opinion, allow me to add Deepster to the "thinking crowd" that swallowed hook line and sinker without reflex. He was depending on such an audience

If someone can only appeal to a higher authority, and that higher authority is Roger Goodall, I can only smirk as I'm shaking my head. After all, it's hard to miss all the mitigating testimony and findings, really really hard
 
So, what's your point? Goodell learned to lie, cheat and steal from the best of them? Or you think Rozelle, Hunt and Tagliabue were all choirboys? Which is it?

I think its laughable that some people that some people on this college basketball board think they know more than the commissioner of the NFL. On the highest profile topic that's on his desk.
 
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what do you have against science? it's not real hard to learn something if you tried

science and scientists don't agree with Roger

Roger is a documented, proven liar, see Ray Rice

Roger manipulated facts and testimony.

Roger ignored all eyewitness / first hand testimony

Roger had a full season to do a study on ball pressure, he did nothing

The first judge mocked Roger's findings. The appeals judges said they're not ruling on the case, only saying Roger has the authority to do what he wants. Big difference

Roger manipulated the court of public opinion, allow me to add Deepster to the "thinking crowd" that swallowed hook line and sinker without reflex. He was depending on such an audience

If someone can only appeal to a higher authority, and that higher authority is Roger Goodall, I can only smirk as I'm shaking my head. After all, it's hard to miss all the mitigating testimony and findings, really really hard

Maybe you should email him and enlighten him as to how he should do his job.
 
Maybe you should email him and enlighten him as to how he should do his job.

It is hilarious huh Deep?I mean I already knew they were whacked but they're kicking it up a notch once again. The world against the Pats LOL
 
Allow me to add Willie99 to the list of people who know more than the Commissioner of the highest profile sports league in the world.

It's not like he showed up to this job from a shift at Target. He's been a front office blue blood in the NFL for almost three decades. He has listened to thousands of hours of evidence and testimony on this topic. He has the highest paid, most savvy legal counsel advising him on every step. He has a network of the smartest experts in every facet of the NFL at his disposal.

But Willie99 and upstater from the Boneyard cracked the case! Congrats!

And yet his decisions get turned over in court time and time again. Whatever he is, he's most certainly ham fisted.
 
Interesting article regarding the current climate of thought among NFL teams RE deflategate:

Rival Exec: 'The Patriots Should Get Those Picks Back'

I spoke to many of these same sources, 10 interviewed in total, and they now have completely the opposite view. They believe the NFL got the investigation wrong—or mostly wrong—and that the Patriots never cheated. They believe that's the new consensus around the league.

What they say next is even more staggering.

"I hate the Patriots. I despise them," said one NFC team executive, who like everyone else interviewed, asked to remain anonymous for fear of angering the league office. "But they really should get those picks back."
 
So, what's your point? Goodell learned to lie, cheat and steal from the best of them? Or you think Rozelle, Hunt and Tagliabue were all choirboys? Which is it?

Maybe some people just believe everything Goodell says, even the stuff that's shown to be false.
 
I think its laughable that some people that some people on this college basketball board think they know more than the commissioner of the NFL. On the highest profile topic that's on his desk.
Basketball fans are now not allowed to follow football (or at the very least, have an opinion)? No wonder UConn has a hard time fill Rentschler.:rolleyes:
 
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Allow me to add Willie99 to the list of people who know more than the Commissioner of the highest profile sports league in the world.

It's not like he showed up to this job from a shift at Target. He's been a front office blue blood in the NFL for almost three decades. He has listened to thousands of hours of evidence and testimony on this topic. He has the highest paid, most savvy legal counsel advising him on every step. He has a network of the smartest experts in every facet of the NFL at his disposal.

But Willie99 and upstater from the Boneyard cracked the case! Congrats!

You, Mau and August are literally pulling all your eggs in the basket of a certified liar. The guy got caught lying about deflategate. Straight out lies. He was called out on those lies. And now we hear from you guys that Goodell is a straight shooter. You're embarrassing yourselves. I mean, you guys are laughable and deranged.
 
It is hilarious huh Deep?I mean I already knew they were whacked but they're kicking it up a notch once again. The world against the Pats LOL

What a joke. You guys love liars. Hard to take anything you say seriously when you are now professing trust in a known liar.
 
What a joke. You guys love liars. Hard to take anything you say seriously when you are now professing trust in a known liar.

How do we know you're not a liar?
 
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This entire farce has absolutely nothing to do with the relative IQ of Goodell, or anybody else that works for the NFL, either now or in the past. It's all about the fundamental unfairness of a process whereby only one person gets to decide the fate of every employee, in a kangaroo administrative setting with no checks and balances, and as we are now finding out, no effective means for administrative or judicial review. Admittedly the players signed up for it, so in a sense they've got nobody to blame but themselves, or maybe their attorneys.

The really sad part is that these continuously botched and increasingly laughable NFL league investigations (I use that term very loosely here) are being orchestrated by a man who couldn't find his own butt hole with two hands and a funnel. Meanwhile, the untold millions they're spending to pay an army of lawyers is money you might just as well be flushing down the toilet for all the good it's doing anybody. The whole mess is nothing but a personal, highly subjective vendetta against Kraft and the Patriots, born purely out of jealousy on the part of the other owners. Goodell is nothing but their tool, a lap/attack dog who jumps at their command. I suppose if this were the old days in Sicily they'd just vanish Kraft from the planet.

All the while the NFL is pouring these mega millions down the johnny flusher, we have former players walking around on crutches or riding in wheelchairs, or even worse, suffering from permanent, irreversible brain dysfunction due to suffering repeated concussions. Instead of thinking about helping any of these poor, unfortunate souls, let's pour money into this total nonsense, giving the league a further public relations black eye, and looking like a bunch of two year old children in the process. Way to go, Rog. You're a poor excuse for an attorney and an even poorer one as a human being.

BTW, I'm a Giants fan, although I admit I have nothing against the Patriots, other than Belichick's tired, old routine.
 
Maybe you should email him and enlighten him as to how he should do his job.

do you think you know more than the Nobel Prize scientist that disagrees with the trumped up science of the Wells Report?

I'd rather articulate my own arguments, based on my own opinions which were formulated by reading the work and opinions of those who actually might know something on the topic. But it's a lot easier to argue like those who merely want to cite the "knowledge" of Roger Goodall. You see, my expert trumps your expert when it come to scientific laws 24/7/365, so there.

When it comes down to what's more likely than not that something probably happened, let's talk to people who know this stuff. Yet another glaring hole in the NFL's argument.

Roger's only argument is I'm god, I can do what I want, because everything else he says either doesn't prove anything or has been disproven by real scientists.

Hate is blinding, and haters make me laugh when they think they're mocking those that disagree with them.
 
Roger is a dope, everyone "hates" the Pats, hat is blinding. BLAH BLAH BLAH

Get over yourselves this thread makes you all look like a joke. The things that happened and are happening are so far above the BYer's it'a amazing yet you all know more than the Commish. He can't do this over hate and because he's "God" get a grip people.
 
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