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OT the LeBron- Stephen A Smith feud

superjohn said:
Nah, it's an inferior product now. It's a three point contest and there's a skills and stars problem with US players currently.
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Nah, skill-wise these guys would run laps around guys in the 80s/90s. Drexler literally couldn’t dribble with his left, Jordan early in his career could barely go left. There is a massive gulf in skill lol.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Nah, skill-wise these guys would run laps around guys in the 80s/90s. Drexler literally couldn’t dribble with his left, Jordan early in his career could barely go left. There is a massive gulf in skill lol.
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Jordan would easily average 45 today. You sound like that clown Arenas.
 
superjohn said:
Jordan would easily average 45 today. You sound like that clown Arenas.
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Tell me where I lied.

45 a game? you have nostalgia glasses. We’ve disagreed on this before though, no need to rehash.
 
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CardiacAndre7 said:
Nah, skill-wise these guys would run laps around guys in the 80s/90s. Drexler literally couldn’t dribble with his left, Jordan early in his career could barely go left. There is a massive gulf in skill lol.
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Jordan with today's training, coaching and advancements in medicine and recovery would be up to speed with today's best in no time.
 
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Travelman6 said:
Jordan with today's training, coaching and advancements in medicine and recovery would be up to speed with today's best in no time.
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I don’t doubt it at all. But the argument has always been drop them in the other era. Drop Steph/Kyrie in the 80s they are getting called warlocks. Drop Giannis he’s averaging 40 on 75% shooting. I could go on. It’s just advancement, happens in every regard.
 
Ok going back on topic here, Lebron and Stephen A deserve each other. It's like 2 little kids arguing and people say Hurley whines smdh.
 
Travelman6 said:
Jordan with today's training, coaching and advancements in medicine and recovery would be up to speed with today's best in no time.
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Nobody in today's game was doing what Jordan was doing. Hands down the best player in the world in today's game is a dude who looks like he just learned how to run and can't jump over a nickel and the second best player in the world today is a YMCA version of Jordan. I can say that because they're my two favorite players in the league and it's true. Again, nobody in today's game was doing anything close to what Jordan was doing back then, he looks like a video game player.

 
The 90s isn't ancient times, the guys from that era were still dominant players into the 2010s, Jason Kidd for example became a better shooter as he got older.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
I don’t doubt it at all. But the argument has always been drop them in the other era. Drop Steph/Kyrie in the 80s they are getting called warlocks. Drop Giannis he’s averaging 40 on 75% shooting. I could go on. It’s just advancement, happens in every regard.
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This is so lazy.
 
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superjohn said:
This is so lazy.
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Nah, it’s what it would likely be. It’s evident you have disdain for the modern game, again, I am no huge fan of all the 3s and stoppages, etc. But i’m not some curmudgeon shaking my cane saying “The old days were so much better” like all of these old heads. They hate on the current NBA and players. Shaq and Chuck, big fan of those guys, but they are certified haters. Today’s stars really don’t do much besides pay homage to the past legends.

You obviously hate LeBron, fully you’re right. But pawning off your equally, often more exaggerated opinions as truth is lazy itself.

Alas, neither of us will change eachother’s mind, so best to both shut the hell up and move on.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Nah, it’s what it would likely be. It’s evident you have disdain for the modern game, again, I am no huge fan of all the 3s and stoppages, etc. But i’m not some curmudgeon shaking my cane saying “The old days were so much better” like all of these old heads. They hate on the current NBA and players. Shaq and Chuck, big fan of those guys, but they are certified haters. Today’s stars really don’t do much besides pay homage to the past legends.

You obviously hate LeBron, fully you’re right. But pawning off your equally, often more exaggerated opinions as truth is lazy itself.

Alas, neither of us will change eachother’s mind, so best to both shut the hell up and move on.
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You could just simulate and settle any debate.
 
superjohn said:
Nobody in today's game was doing what Jordan was doing. Hands down the best player in the world in today's game is a dude who looks like he just learned how to run and can't jump over a nickel and the second best player in the world today is a YMCA version of Jordan. I can say that because they're my two favorite players in the league and it's true. Again, nobody in today's game was doing anything close to what Jordan was doing back then, he looks like a video game player.

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"Jordan was making an impassioned plea before the competition committee that had gathered to consider rules changes to enliven the NBA game. Jordan spoke passionately. If teams were able to play zone defenses, he said, he never would have had the career he did," Sam Smith reported.

From HERE.

The amount of data players have to download and process, and the amount of ground they have to cover compared to even 15 years ago is staggering. Old heads struggle to understand this b/c of their nostalgia glasses. Jordan would be great today, but the triple threat stuff he thrived with 30 years ago has largely disappeared because it's an inefficient way to play ball when more complex zone and help schemes are allowed.

Take 20 minutes and understand what you're missing:

 
Scoe said:
You could just simulate and settle any debate.
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I guess the tables have turned and i’m gonna be the old head here because I don’t really think these simulations are of much use.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Nah, it’s what it would likely be. It’s evident you have disdain for the modern game, again, I am no huge fan of all the 3s and stoppages, etc. But i’m not some curmudgeon shaking my cane saying “The old days were so much better” like all of these old heads. They hate on the current NBA and players. Shaq and Chuck, big fan of those guys, but they are certified haters. Today’s stars really don’t do much besides pay homage to the past legends.

You obviously hate LeBron, fully you’re right. But pawning off your equally, often more exaggerated opinions as truth is lazy itself.

Alas, neither of us will change eachother’s mind, so best to both shut the hell up and move on.
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I loved the modern game until it became a three point contest with poor post play. The game badly needs balance.

You're one of those guys who thinks everything is better because it's newer. It was the same 10 foot rim then, guys just used it to put guys on posters more and they would throw it in to 7 footers right by that 10 foot rim who had great post moves.
 
Matrim55 said:
"Jordan was making an impassioned plea before the competition committee that had gathered to consider rules changes to enliven the NBA game. Jordan spoke passionately. If teams were able to play zone defenses, he said, he never would have had the career he did," Sam Smith reported.

From HERE.

The amount of data players have to download and process, and the amount of ground they have to cover compared to even 15 years ago is staggering. Old heads struggle to understand this b/c of their nostalgia glasses. Jordan would be great today, but the triple threat stuff he thrived with 30 years ago has largely disappeared because it's an inefficient way to play ball when more complex zone and help schemes are allowed.

Take 20 minutes and understand what you're missing:

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And Steph would've been dropped on his arse and wouldn't be dribbling around like a globetrotter launching 30 footers constantly.

Jordan would absolutely carve up this league. You were old enough to have the opportunity to watch it and you still missed it.
 
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superjohn said:
I loved the modern game until it became a three point contest with poor post play. The game badly needs balance.

You're one of those guys who thinks everything is better because it's newer. It was the same 10 foot rim then, guys just used it to put guys on posters more and they would throw it in to 7 footers right by that 10 foot rim who had great post moves.
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I mean, my view had a better track record than yours, at least related to sports. Guys got dunked on more because a lot of the bigs were plodding and slower and less athletic. You think Chris Dudley or Bryant Reeves are touching the league these days?
 
superjohn said:
And Steph would've been dropped on his arse and wouldn't be dribbling around like a globetrotter launching 30 footers constantly.
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idk what to say to someone who thinks Steph wouldn't have been able to hack it in an era where Fat Lever repeatedly finished top 10 in MVP voting and Michael Adams was a 25 ppg scorer.

Anyway: Jordan would still be great today, but MJ himself said he would never have had the career he did if he had to play by today's rules. "Rich man's DeMar DeRozen" is still really good, though.
 
Matrim55 said:
idk what to say to someone who thinks Steph wouldn't have been able to hack it in an era where Fat Lever repeatedly finished top 10 in MVP voting and Michael Adams was a 25 ppg scorer.

Anyway: Jordan would still be great today, but MJ himself said he would never have had the career he did if he had to play by today's rules. "Rich man's DeMar DeRozen" is still really good, though.
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I'm not sure what your point is with this, you're just going to name Nuggets players under Doug Moe and Westhead? Jalen Brunson is the best point guard in the NBA. Austin Reeves scores 20 per game, Norman Powell scores 23 per game. James Harden averaged 36 ppg in the modern era.

Sick Jordan, DeMar DeRozan Jordan comparison! Obviously a joke but I wouldn't be surprised if you thing SGA is better than Jordan.
 
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CardiacAndre7 said:
Nah, skill-wise these guys would run laps around guys in the 80s/90s. Drexler literally couldn’t dribble with his left, Jordan early in his career could barely go left. There is a massive gulf in skill lol.
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Only problem is, nobody wants to watch. Does that not qualify is important AT ALL ?
 
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