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OT: The game is Just too Rough

The talking suits are allowing WNBA & college WBB go more toward Olympics or FIBA style of physical BB!
And it sucks big-time!
I understand where it has to be some form of physical but bodies flying and grabbing and NO fouls being called is nuts!
 
msf22b said:
Watching the Atlanta/Indiana game..holding, banging
The game (W) is totally out of control; much too physical
Will kill the Golden Goose.
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The Commissioner should be spending much more time visiting the teams and explaining game etiquette and how she will exert future controls, rather than playing golf in Las Vegas this weekend.
 
Yeah, I can do without the World Wrestling Entertainment style drama story lines. The personal rivalry stuff is just juvenile garbage. Physical is ok if it's just incidental contact due to two players being aggressive in going after a ball, it's the grabbing and pushing that have to be called. It's a simple demonstration of incompetence: if you need to grab, you were beat. If you need to grab a lot, you're not very good. I say after a grabbing call by the refs, you have to play in mittens for the next five minutes.
 
Dogdude said:
Yeah, I can do without the World Wrestling Entertainment style drama story lines. The personal rivalry stuff is just juvenile garbage. Physical is ok if it's just incidental contact due to two players being aggressive in going after a ball, it's the grabbing and pushing that have to be called. It's a simple demonstration of incompetence: if you need to grab, you were beat. If you need to grab a lot, you're not very good. I say after a grabbing call by the refs, you have to play in mittens for the next five minutes.
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Back in the 60’s high school boys had to wear mittens and socks when playing the girls team. I think I think I was better with mittens.
 
Dogdude said:
If you need to grab a lot, you're not very good. I say after a grabbing call by the refs, you have to play in mittens for the next five minutes.
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After a traveling call, I say work boots

Except they never call traveling either.
 
Yeah, I'm cynical. Things don't happen in professional sports unless those in authority think it makes money. The NHL could stop fighting tomorrow if it did not think it would lose its audience. When the NBA was considered a bunch of thugs and families did not want to go to the games, David Stern put an end to most of the rough stuff.
 
Sometimes you get what you ask for, then find out it's not what you thought it would be. Crys heard in recent years, we want what the guys have, we want equality. While the guy's style of play and the physicality of what the officials allow far exceeds what is allowed on the women's side of the game. Looking at international games both men and women's officiating allows for an even increased level of physicality, from U.S. college play.
Case in point, think back, almost every foreign player Geno has brought into his program have needed time and some a season to tone down their physical style. It would be good if a happy medium could be achieved. We don't want patty cake play or officiating any more than we want MMA play or officiating.
I'm for giving the women a bit more latitude in physical play, closer to the men's game, just not all that is allowed in women's international play. We don't need Rugby style games; I still want pretty basketball. :cool:
 
HuskyNan said:
Tina disagrees

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As a seasoned and decorated pro Tina is surely entitled to her opinion as one who has experienced it for so many years. But that doesn't make it right. As a fan watching, it sure doesn't look particularly great for players to be continually held, pushed, bumped and more without calls being made. Unfortunately, I hope I'm wrong but I don't see it changing much. For whatever reasons, the WNBA apparently does not seem to consider it a large enough issue to warrant advocating substantive changes,
 
The Wings v. Fever game yesterday was atrociously refereed. Since when are you allowed to hold and restrain on the perimeter or anywhere else? The body checking and contact is not basketball. I don't mind physicality, I do mind consistent rule violations that are not called. It's a different game.
 
BBallF said:
The Wings v. Fever game yesterday was atrociously refereed. Since when are you allowed to hold and restrain on the perimeter or anywhere else? The body checking and contact is not basketball. I don't mind physicality, I do mind consistent rule violations that are not called. It's a different game.
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Wonder if being on ABC playing to a Disney-type generated excitement in front of a Sun home crowd had anything to do with it. After contending with all of the commentator talk on CC throughout ad nauseam, like you, I was pretty disgusted overall with the way the game was officiated. In fact I turned it off at the half because I couldn't watch more of how all the Wings but particularly Paige were being continually held and banged without calls being made.

Another beef if you will and then my ranting will cease. What is getting to be irksome is the apparent complete acceptance of it by the coach as shown by his calm, controlled demeanor. How about showing some life? Never once have I ever seen how he talks to or just mildly confronts a ref on the sidelines. Just stands there and doesn't even look very perturbed when a foul occurs on one of his players with an obviously missed call. Hey, coach, without going overboard and confronting a ref ,or maybe even getting a T at times, could show your players that their coach has taken note, isn't accepting it for his players and has their back.

Anyway, before straying too far off topic, the rough stuff is just part of the game we are told and must accept but is not also making sure that unnecessary, deliberate roughness which is occurring more and more on the perimeter is called for what it should be, a foul plan and simple?
 
WiseWillie said:
Wonder if being on ABC playing to a Disney-type generated excitement in front of a Sun home crowd had anything to do with it. After contending with all of the commentator talk on CC throughout ad nauseam, like you, I was pretty disgusted overall with the way the game was officiated. In fact I turned it off at the half because I couldn't watch more of how all the Wings but particularly Paige were being continually held and banged without calls being made.

Another beef if you will and then my ranting will cease. What is getting to be irksome is the apparent complete acceptance of it by the coach as shown by his calm, controlled demeanor. How about showing some life? Never once have I ever seen how he talks to or just mildly confronts a ref on the sidelines. Just stands there and doesn't even look very perturbed when a foul occurs on one of his players with an obviously missed call. Hey, coach, without going overboard and confronting a ref ,or maybe even getting a T at times, could show your players that their coach has taken note, isn't accepting it for his players and has their back.

Anyway, before straying too far off topic, the rough stuff is just part of the game we are told and must accept but is not also making sure that unnecessary, deliberate roughness which is occurring more and more on the perimeter is called for what it should be, a foul plan and simple?
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You mean the Fever. I agree with you about the Coach. His most effective player, Paige, was being taken out of the offense every possession by being held or bodied up. If I start my drive and you use your body to stop me, it's either a block or a charge. Apparently now there is "incidental obstruction". There is no freedom of movement in the W at all and it detracts from the game.
 
I hear retired NBA players say that today's league is much too soft, that back in their day, the game was much rougher. Perhaps the WNBA is at that point right now. As the league's gets more popular, the ensuing increase in revenue and marketing awareness will bring better officials, and support for the style of play and elite players which make this a beautiful game.
 
If you've ever watched a game you would realize that the ref could call something on just about every play. Sometimes it could be a physical foul, other times it would be palming or steps. Given the space of the court and the continuing growth of the players the physicality will not only continue, it will probably grow worse before it gets better.
 
if players foul out in droves it would stop. apparently, stopping is frowned upon.

why? give your theory ... it might ignite a brawl.
 
This game is far from "too rough". Go back and look at the early years of the WNBA. From the inception of the league up until 2008 range. Now that was some "rough" play. Going back to the Lisa Leslie/Lauren Jackson battles. It is interesting that during that era, especially with those two titans of the game, the physical play was horrendous, but it wasn't hyped like it is these days. The media attention wasn't as focused back then like now. Heck there was very little attention on the women's game back then vs now, until the playoffs when games got aired on ESPN or ABC and fans got to see the level of physical play. In the end, this current game is far from "too rough". Go back and look at some old games of the Detroit Shock. The Utah Starzz. The Sacramento Monarchs. The Phoenix Mercury. Pretty much every WNBA team played "physical", and players adjusted.
 
Speaking of old players talking about the old days, who cares? It's a new era, with younger stars and much younger fans, due to the style of ball that PB and CC play. There were plenty of superstar-level players in the past, but very few viewers. Is there a bit of a correlation? The NBA certainly found that if you give the stars room to move, you get a lot more viewers. Can the ratings and attendance go south with the WNBA? It certainly could...look what happens with soccer in the U.S.: right after every Olympics, it's the "dawning of a new era" in popularity, only to have it disappear within a year. Right now, PB and CC are the goose that laid the golden egg, give them the room to move and the ratings will continue to grow. Great them up and slow them down, then, meh.
 
Kat said:
I hear retired NBA players say that today's league is much too soft, that back in their day, the game was much rougher. Perhaps the WNBA is at that point right now. As the league's gets more popular, the ensuing increase in revenue and marketing awareness will bring better officials, and support for the style of play and elite players which make this a beautiful game.
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Back when Wilt played before Dr J and Jordan the NBA was very physical. It took a lot of years to get the game to where players could actually play. Now the NBA has become nothing more than a 3 point shooting contest. I won't watch it there is no flow to the game anymore.
 
Tina said the league is softer now. She specifically mentioned a ton of post players and power forwards from her "era" as big powerful players you had to bang against night in and night out.

I kept trying to "read between the lines" from what she was saying, but couldn't really find anything. She was pretty clear. The league has gotten softer. Remember back when Lambier was the coach of Detroit? Cheryl Ford? She was a beast playing for a coach who loved being overly physical in the NBA. The entire Shock team was brutal.

People keep talking about the physicality of defenders, but 2 players come to mind regarding physicality on offense - Reese and Boston - both of them will often get the ball far-ish away from the basket, slam the defender repeatedly to get closer to the basket, then whine when no foul is called on the defender. But overall I tend to agree with Tina.
 
RSHERMVIKES said:
The talking suits are allowing WNBA & college WBB go more toward Olympics or FIBA style of physical BB!
And it sucks big-time!
I understand where it has to be some form of physical but bodies flying and grabbing and NO fouls being called is nuts!
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Genuine question as FIBA rules are what we follow in Canada from age 13 and up. If it's the international standard, what is the specific difference with respect to physicality that's problematic when compared to the rules followed in the US at the NCAAW and WNBA level?
 
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