OT: Super bowl Prediction/Discussion Thread.

[Deepster]

I don't think Denver has ever seen an offense like Carolina's this year.

Denver just shut down New England who's offense is just as good, if not better than Carolina's.
YPG: Carolina 367, NE 374
PPG: Carolina 31.3, NE 29.1

New England's rush O is ranked much lower (30th), Carolina's is ranked much higher (2nd). Denver's D is ranked 3rd in rush D.
Carolina's pass O is ranked much lower (24th), New England's is much higher (5th). Denver's D is ranked 1st in rush D.

No reason to think Denver's D can't shut down Carolina.

 

[Mots010]

Carolina has been feasting off of turnovers in recent weeks, but turnovers are a fickle thing, and can shut off at any time. Peyton is limited at this point in his career, but don't expect a Carson Palmer-like avalanche of unforced interceptions thrown into double coverage. Broncos stay the course, with conservative low risk play calling, picking their spots, and force the other team to drive the length of the field to score.

If the Broncos lose the turnover battle, it will be tough for them to win.

 

[Husky25]

Denver just shut down New England who's offense is just as good, if not better than Carolina's.
YPG: Carolina 367, NE 374
PPG: Carolina 31.3, NE 29.1

New England's rush O is ranked much lower (30th), Carolina's is ranked much higher (2nd). Denver's D is ranked 3rd in rush D.
Carolina's pass O is ranked much lower (24th), New England's is much higher (5th). Denver's D is ranked 1st in rush D.

No reason to think Denver's D can't shut down Carolina.

You said it yourself, Carolina's offense is more balanced than New England. Carolina's offensive line is better than that motley crew New England was forced to bring into Denver last week. Finally (and as long as we are, for some reason, comparing Carolina's and New England's offense) Cam Newton rushed for 636 yards. Tom Brady had 53. Even if Newton drops back on an apparent pass play, it is not necessarily a designed pass and he is more adept at making either something out of nothing than Brady, who would just assume throw the ball at Gronk's feet and move on to 3rd & 10.

I have no idea why I'm being quoted Denver defensive ranks. Never have I said that Denver's defense is less than stellar. No one has, but the Carolina D is no slouch either. Plus Carolina's defense has the added advantage of playing against the 2015 Peyton Manning. Why is it so inconceivable that Carolina shut down Denver?

 

[B1GEast]

Carolina

 

[Deepster]

You said it yourself, Carolina's offense is more balanced than New England. Carolina's offensive line is better than that motley crew New England was forced to bring into Denver last week. Finally (and as long as we are, for some reason, comparing Carolina's and New England's offense) Cam Newton rushed for 636 yards. Tom Brady had 53. Even if Newton drops back on an apparent pass play, it is not necessarily a designed pass and he is more adept at making either something out of nothing than Brady, who would just assume throw the ball at Gronk's feet and move on to 3rd & 10.

I have no idea why I'm being quoted Denver defensive ranks. Never have I said that Denver's defense is less than stellar. No one has, but the Carolina D is no slouch either. Plus Carolina's defense has the added advantage of playing against the 2015 Peyton Manning. Why is it so inconceivable that Carolina shut down Denver?

How did I say they're more balanced? They're 2nd in rushing offense and 24th in passing offense. That's the exact opposite of "balanced".

You're being quoted Denver's defensive ranks because you said "I don't think Denver has ever seen an offense like Carolina's this year." The Denver D is not going to be steamrolled by Carolina's offense. Make book on that.

Do you even read what you write?

 

[Husky25]

How did I say they're more balanced? They're 2nd in rushing offense and 24th in passing offense. That's the exact opposite of "balanced".

You're being quoted Denver's defensive ranks because you said "I don't think Denver has ever seen an offense like Carolina's this year." The Denver D is not going to be steamrolled by Carolina's offense. Make book on that.

Do you even read what you write?

Very good. You know how to cut and paste. Point of procedure: One doesn't mean the other and I never said anything remotely close to "Carolina's offense is going to steamroll Denver's D."

I said, "...Before I hear any hype I kinda see Carolina winning this in a walk." Winning in a walk means a lot of things, but one thing it definitely considers is all facets of the game, including the fact that Carolina's D's (not exactly sub par in it's own right) is facing the 2015 version of Peyton Manning.

For as many yards as New England piled up this year, they were fairly one-dimensional, especially after Blount was lost for the rest of the year. Cam Newton was #31 in the NFL in rushing yards and #16 in passing. What one player did Denver face who was that dynamic? Answer: No one. And do you think for a second that Carolina's pass offense couldn't have rack up more yards than they did? They went 15-1, with a 13 point margin of victory. What do most teams do when the game is all but won, especially with a back like Jonathan Stewart? they keep the clock moving and make the game shorter.

Do you even read to what you respond.

 

[Deepster]

Very good. You know how to cut and paste. Point of procedure: One doesn't mean the other and I never said anything remotely close to "Carolina's offense is going to steamroll Denver's D."

I said, "...Before I hear any hype I kinda see Carolina winning this in a walk." Winning in a walk means a lot of things, but one thing it definitely considers is all facets of the game, including the fact that Carolina's D's (not exactly sub par in it's own right) is facing the 2015 version of Peyton Manning.

For as many yards as New England piled up this year, they were fairly one-dimensional, especially after Blount was lost for the rest of the year. Cam Newton was #31 in the NFL in rushing yards and #16 in passing. What one player did Denver face who was that dynamic? Answer: No one. And do you think for a second that Carolina's pass offense couldn't have rack up more yards than they did? They went 15-1, with a 13 point margin of victory. What do most teams do when the game is all but won, especially with a back like Jonathan Stewart? they keep the clock moving and make the game shorter.

Do you even read to what you respond.

No. I don't think that Carolina's pass offense could have racked up much more. For your point about being far ahead in games, I counter with:

a) They had no backs that catch passes out of the backfield. Stewart, Whitaker, Tolbert all have stone hands.
b) Ted Ginn is an all-or-nothing deep threat. 44 catches, 739 yds, 10 tds. Avg yds per catch of 17 yds. They wouldn't be throwing bombs much more and, if they did, he only caught 44 passes all year. Cotchery and Funchess are limited in what they would have ever produced above what they already did.

 

[Husky25]

No. I don't think that Carolina's pass offense could have racked up much more. For your point about being far ahead in games, I counter with:

a) They had no backs that catch passes out of the backfield. Stewart, Whitaker, Tolbert all have stone hands.
b) Ted Ginn is an all-or-nothing deep threat. 44 catches, 739 yds, 10 tds. Avg yds per catch of 17 yds. They wouldn't be throwing bombs much more and, if they did, he only caught 44 passes all year. Cotchery and Funchess are limited in what they would have ever produced above what they already did.

I mention being up in big, keeping the ball moving, the clock ticking, and shortening the game as possible reasons the Carolina passing game wasn't ranked (in yards) higher than 24.

You counter with the catching deficiencies of running backs. Interesting debate strategy. Why risk an incomplete pass (even if they, as a group, have a 80% completion percentage) and a stopped clock, when you can just hand the ball off, gain 4.1 yards, and run 40 seconds off the clock?

 

[Deepster]

http://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id...thers-helps-move-super-bowl-50-line-las-vegas

The unwashed masses can't lay down money on Carolina fast enough. Translation: Denver is a lock. Las Vegas made their bones on the stupidity of John Q Public and the sharks are just sitting out there waiting for the line to move north. And the farther it gets from the opening line, the better shot they have of hitting both sides (ex: Carolina wins by 5 and they have Denver +5.5 as well as Carolina -3.5) and that is a nightmare for Vegas.

 

[mauconnfan]

Pats lose, the other team wins

 

[Willy Gee]

http://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id...thers-helps-move-super-bowl-50-line-las-vegas

The unwashed masses can't lay down money on Carolina fast enough. Translation: Denver is a lock. Las Vegas made their bones on the stupidity of John Q Public and the sharks are just sitting out there waiting for the line to move north. And the farther it gets from the opening line, the better shot they have of hitting both sides (ex: Carolina wins by 5 and they have Denver +5.5 as well as Carolina -3.5) and that is a nightmare for Vegas.

This, this, this. The late "smart" money had Denver beating the Pats. I think 70% of the money was bet on the Patriots. The professional sports bettors waited until the last minute to put their cash on Denver. The casinos also cleaned up because they "gambled" on a Denver win/cover.

I don't see how Denver wins against Carolina, honestly. That being said, I would put my money on the Broncos, simply because I have more confidence in the public's stupidity than in my smarts.

 

[Deepster]

I love Denver straight up in this one.

• Everyone is calling it lopsided and predicting a blowout. That never plays out.
• The Panthers have that look about them that they're way too happy right now. And Rivera said he wants them to enjoy the next two weeks.
• Peyton gets two weeks to study film. You know he's going to put everything he has into that effort.
• Denver has huge game breakers on their side with Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders. For some reason, people are underplaying that a bit.
• Wade Phillips is an idiot of a head coach, but a heckuva defensive coordinator. If he can find a way to neutralize Brady in 1 week, he can figure out how to hem in Newton over 2 weeks.
• I'd be shocked if Carolina comes out as hot as they have been in recent weeks in the 1st half. The SB is a different animal. Prolonged pre-game, lots of adrenaline expended before the game starts, everyone is tight in the first 10 minutes.

Carolina -4.5 is a sucker bet, kids.

Congrats to all who followed my wise counsel.

 

[Rocktheworld]

Good for Peyton. Always been a fan of his (and really who couldn't be?). Cam has many years of success ahead of him and will most likely get a ring or two in his time. Peyton can now live the dream of riding off into the sunset (his 40s) with a championship.

 

[gtcam]

Very good. You know how to cut and paste. Point of procedure: One doesn't mean the other and I never said anything remotely close to "Carolina's offense is going to steamroll Denver's D."

I said, "...Before I hear any hype I kinda see Carolina winning this in a walk." Winning in a walk means a lot of things, but one thing it definitely considers is all facets of the game, including the fact that Carolina's D's (not exactly sub par in it's own right) is facing the 2015 version of Peyton Manning.

For as many yards as New England piled up this year, they were fairly one-dimensional, especially after Blount was lost for the rest of the year. Cam Newton was #31 in the NFL in rushing yards and #16 in passing. What one player did Denver face who was that dynamic? Answer: No one. And do you think for a second that Carolina's pass offense couldn't have rack up more yards than they did? They went 15-1, with a 13 point margin of victory. What do most teams do when the game is all but won, especially with a back like Jonathan Stewart? they keep the clock moving and make the game shorter.

Do you even read to what you respond.

What do you sat now Husky25?
Even with my GMen I don't go way overboard in my predictions or my opine
Cam Newton doesn't walk on water and is a very over rated quarterback (not athlete - that he is unbelievable) and as Deepster tried to get in your head is that Carolina has a lousy receiving team.
As I said the past 2 weeks - keep Newton in the pocket and you take all his weapons away
Unless Carolina changes some things, their dominance will be one season only.

 

[intlzncster]

Even with my GMen I don't go way overboard in my predictions or my opine
Cam Newton doesn't walk on water and is a very over rated quarterback (not athlete - that he is unbelievable) and as Deepster tried to get in your head is that Carolina has a lousy receiving team.

No, you just go overboard in the opposite direction. Cam ain't overrated, Denver's D is just that good. No QB can survive with an offensive line getting manhandled. See Brady 2 weeks ago (which is why I laughed when people said Cam would of torched Denver that day--straight BS). Plus, as you said yourself, Carolina doesn't have many weapons. It's Olsen, Stewart, and...... Ted Ginn Jr??

 

[Tommyboy]

No, you just go overboard in the opposite direction. Cam ain't overrated, Denver's D is just that good. No QB can survive with an offensive line getting manhandled. See Brady 2 weeks ago (which is why I laughed when people said Cam would of torched Denver that day--straight BS). Plus, as you said yourself, Carolina doesn't have many weapons. It's Olsen, Stewart, and. Ted Ginn Jr??

Seriously Ted Ginn Jr is such a . He must have ran out of bounds at least 6 times to avoid a hit.

 

[intlzncster]

Seriously Ted Ginn Jr is such a . He must have ran out of bounds at least 6 times to avoid a hit.

I was yelling at him all game about it. The bartender chick said, "well, after all this head injury stuff, maybe he's got the right idea." I didn't really have any reply to that.

 

[Husky25]

What do you sat now Husky25?
Even with my GMen I don't go way overboard in my predictions or my opine
Cam Newton doesn't walk on water and is a very over rated quarterback (not athlete - that he is unbelievable) and as Deepster tried to get in your head is that Carolina has a lousy receiving team.
As I said the past 2 weeks - keep Newton in the pocket and you take all his weapons away
Unless Carolina changes some things, their dominance will be one season only.

Denver's Defense was good. Real good. I didn't think they'd be able to contain Newton as well as they did. Ì kinda think the refs threw Carolina off their game a bit with the blown challenge, but whatever. Be that as it may, does it feel good? Is you day complete? I gave me opinion and I stand by everything I wrote. Denver didn't see such a Dynamic QB this season. They had a good game plan, but Carolina's D was every bit up to the task. Turnover put them on a shortfield time and again. It's not like Manning played well either.

 

[intlzncster]

Denver's Defense was good. Real good. I didn't think they'd be able to contain Newton as well as they did. Ì kinda think the refs threw Carolina off their game a bit with the blown challenge, but whatever. Be that as it may, does it feel good? Is you day complete? I gave me opinion and I stand by everything I wrote. Denver didn't see such a Dynamic QB this season. They had a good game plan, but Carolina's D was every bit up to the task. Turnover put them on a shortfield time and again. It's not like Manning played well either.

Probably the worst offensive performance of a winning QB ever. I think Carolina's offensive coordinator blew it that game. He didn't make any significant adjustments. Was still running Stewart twice a set of downs late in the game. Bad clock management. There was no urgency.

Didn't help that one of Carolina's key offensive players went out with a concussion. And Stewart was hobbled. They don't have enough players to afford any loss whatsoever.

 

[Huskyforlife]

I was yelling at him all game about it. The bartender chick said, "well, after all this head injury stuff, maybe he's got the right idea." I didn't really have any reply to that.

It's the motherf-ckin Super Bowl. You play a game where injuries are an inevitability. This isn't a game for a team that's 2-10 with nothing to play for. In the super bowl I would expect every single player to do anything they can to pull it out. You make millions of dollars, and winning the game will likely make you more money. You have to try to break tackles, it's the last game of the year.

 

[Mots010]

Probably the worst offensive performance of a winning QB ever. I think Carolina's offensive coordinator blew it that game. He didn't make any significant adjustments. Was still running Stewart twice a set of downs late in the game. Bad clock management. There was no urgency.

Didn't help that one of Carolina's key offensive players went out with a concussion. And Stewart was hobbled. They don't have enough players to afford any loss whatsoever.

I wouldnt be surprised if this was the worst QB performance a superbowl team has had when you look at the season as a whole. The stats are just embarrassing and highlight just how good this defense was all season.

 

[intlzncster]

It's the motherf-ckin Super Bowl. You play a game where injuries are an inevitability. This isn't a game for a team that's 2-10 with nothing to play for. In the super bowl I would expect every single player to do anything they can to pull it out. You make millions of dollars, and winning the game will likely make you more money. You have to try to break tackles, it's the last game of the year.

Oh, I agree. Just saying. That said, Ginn is a twig.

 

[Huskyforlife]

Oh, I agree. Just saying. That said, Ginn is a twig.

That's what I would have said