OT--Steve Nash to the Lakers, as Knicks Miss Out

[JaYnYcE]

Reed was chronically hurt. Havlicek in those playoffs was a bad break for the C's, they were the better team that entire year. But why am I trying to reason with a Knick fan? They think that DeBusschere deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Hondo.

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[BlueMAB]

as for the trade. If having Nash means Kobe won't be hovering over the ball as much as he currently does, then its a great addition. i just have a hard time believing Kobe will defer at all and play off the ball at all. he has to have the ball in his hands to be happy. if he would defer just a little and just let the offense flow thru Nash, i'd go as far to say that the Lakers are a legit championship contender. if Kobe continues his normal high volume inefficient ways than Nash won't be the effective player we know him to be, his value will be dimished and the Lakers will probably be around the same or slightly better than they were this year.

even tho i'm a Heat fan, i really would love to see Kobe realize he needs to chill out with the 25 shot games and let Nash run things. i think they would be amazing to watch especially considering how skilled Nash-Gasol combo will be.

I don't think you know as much about Kobe as you believe you do.

Kobe doesn't need to have the ball to be happy. He needs to WIN to be happy. Kobe had to shoot so much last year because Gasol isn't aggressive, Bynum is still developing, and nobody else on the roster could create their own shot. But most importantly Mike Brown's idea of offense is give the ball to your best player and let him make things happen. Kobe passes the ball when he trusts his teammates, he's demanded more of his teammates so he's not carrying the load. He had the chance to ball hog in the final game of the regular season to win the scoring title and he decided not to. Kobe wants to win, period. He's not Carmelo. If he's chucking shots, it's because he believes that's their best chance to win. He's not shooting because he just wants to score. His beef with Shaq was about Shaq not being as dedicated to winning (particularly with his off season workouts) as he should have been, it had nothing to do with sharing the ball.

Kobe has an incredibly high basketball IQ. He knows how much Nash's ability to create for others will mask Brown's awful offense, and how much pressure it will take off Kobe. They still need some depth on the bench, but this signing brings the Lakers closer to a return trip to the finals. I'd give them a 50/50 shot.

 

[21Huskies]

i don't think i know anything about Kobe Bryant, i'm not one for opinions and perception. i look at the #'s.

Kobe's usage rate and shots attempted is always near the top of the league so i'm comfortable saying that i believe he demands the ball be in his hands.

when he has been at his best is when others around him have been able to take on more and he's used the ball less. the Shaq years were some of his most efficient years. you can argue that he takes on more of a role because he trusts his teammates less now... thats his choice and thats why they aren't as good. Gasol and Bynum are both very capable teammates which helped him win these recent rings. Bynum doesn't get the ball nearly enough and neither does Gasol... if he's going to use the ball as much as he does, he needs to be more efficient of he's hurting his teams chances of winning. this season he used the ball the most in the league and he was 17th in PER... that's not a winning combination.

so while you and others can say i think i know more.... i don't think i know anything. i just read the actual data instead of being polluted by opinions and perception.

KOBE WANTS TO WIN!!! he's a warrior! the mamba! he's clutch!! he's a champion, born to win! that stuff is all complete bullshit.

him having the ball less and taking a fewer amount of horrible ill advised shots will make his team better. we'll see if he decides to take on that role. i hope he does cause i think they'll be awesome to watch and he'll elevate his game back to a championship level.

 

[BlueMAB]

i don't think i know anything about Kobe Bryant, i'm not one for opinions and perception. i look at the #'s.


i just have a hard time believing Kobe will defer at all and play off the ball at all. he has to have the ball in his hands to be happy.

Sure. The numbers tell you whether he is happy or not with the ball in his hands right?

Kobe just wants to win. Watching games, listening to his interviews, and listening to his current and former teammates and coaches will give you that information. Not a stat sheet.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Reed was chronically hurt. Havlicek in those playoffs was a bad break for the C's, they were the better team that entire year. But why am I trying to reason with a Knick fan? They think that DeBusschere deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Hondo.

Personally I don't but Celt fans who remember those days believed that Jo Jo White deserved to be mentioned in the same breath as Frazier & Monroe.

The reality is that the Knicks and Celts faced off in the playoffs three years in a row and the only time the Celts won a series was when Reed, DeBusschere, Bradley and (backup center) Lucas were all hurt. Claiming that you were the better in '73 because you won a few more regular season games than the defending eastern conference champions while leaving out the injuries that prevented the defending eastern conference champions from winning more games early on is quite disingenuous if your injuries are part of the equation.