OT--Steve Nash to the Lakers, as Knicks Miss Out

[husky99]

http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/07/04/knicks-miss-out-on-steve-nash/

 

[JaYnYcE]

Tough break, I thought we'd pull it out. Lakers offered a better deal and as long as he didn't go to the Heat I got no problem.


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[aceboon]

Tough break, I thought we'd pull it out. Lakers offered a better deal and as long as he didn't go to the Heat I got no problem.


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What else was the Knicks offering besides Shumpert, because the deal they're getting from the Lakers is barely anything. The '13 will be late first round, and with the way the Lakers seem to be able to reinvent themselves and stay afloat it wouldn't be surprising if the '15 will be late as well. Shumpert is coming off a bad injury but if he gets back to where he was and continues to improve he'll probably be better than what they would end up drafting.

 

[21Huskies]

still bitter towards the Heat? lol .... move on my dude

as for the trade. If having Nash means Kobe won't be hovering over the ball as much as he currently does, then its a great addition. i just have a hard time believing Kobe will defer at all and play off the ball at all. he has to have the ball in his hands to be happy. if he would defer just a little and just let the offense flow thru Nash, i'd go as far to say that the Lakers are a legit championship contender. if Kobe continues his normal high volume inefficient ways than Nash won't be the effective player we know him to be, his value will be dimished and the Lakers will probably be around the same or slightly better than they were this year.

even tho i'm a Heat fan, i really would love to see Kobe realize he needs to chill out with the 25 shot games and let Nash run things. i think they would be amazing to watch especially considering how skilled Nash-Gasol combo will be.

 

[Kitaman]

still bitter towards the Heat? lol .... move on my dude

as for the trade. If having Nash means Kobe won't be hovering over the ball as much as he currently does, then its a great addition. i just have a hard time believing Kobe will defer at all and play off the ball at all. he has to have the ball in his hands to be happy. if he would defer just a little and just let the offense flow thru Nash, i'd go as far to say that the Lakers are a legit championship contender. if Kobe continues his normal high volume inefficient ways than Nash won't be the effective player we know him to be, his value will be dimished and the Lakers will probably be around the same or slightly better than they were this year.

even tho i'm a Heat fan, i really would love to see Kobe realize he needs to chill out with the 25 shot games and let Nash run things. i think they would be amazing to watch especially considering how skilled Nash-Gasol combo will be.

I think Kobe will adapt, he now has a HOF pg to defer to. Kobe has nothing left to individually prove, he needs a Nash type player to extend his career. He has matured and should not be a problem, as long as they are winning.

 

[traitor71]

This shouldn't surprise anyone. The Lakers are a proven winner of an organization and the Knicks are more or less a joke.

 

[JaYnYcE]

Knicks have won 2 championships and have multiple players on the top 50 players of all time. If you're going to attempt a cheap shot at least know the history of the organization.


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[traitor71]

Don't you mean ANCIENT history? That organization has been run like a joke and until they can go a few seasons without inept management, coaching changes, players coming and going and actually win a playoff series, that's what they will be.

Two titles and multiple players on the top 50? You basically just described the Houston Rockets, so what do those numbers mean?

 

[Lefty2one]

Phoenix also signed Dragic to an offer sheet so it was a good move for them. And LAL has a better chance to win the title than the Knicks do. Still, it blows to miss out on Nash. I'm amazed that half of our fanbase didn't want to make the deal and lose Shumpert.

 

[JaYnYcE]

Hey you can call the owner a joke and I would agree with you. But it's no surprise that players want to play in NY if it's possible. Shaq admitted a little while ago and other players have voiced that they love playing at MSG. The Knicks prior to 2001 were always considered contenders in the early-mid-late 90's. And in regards to Nash to the Lakers, he wanted to be close to his family. I just didn't think the Suns would be stupid enough to trade their franchise's best player in the last 16 years to a conference rival. Nash to NY would have been awesome, but like I said, as long as Miami didn't get him I'm all good.

Hope your boys in Boston can keep Allen or the Clippers get him.


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[Dogdeacon]

I think the bizarre interest and loyalty to the Brooklyn Nets says more about the current Knicks and NY cache than anything else. Namely the Knicks aren't winners and their owner is a buffoon, so the Nets are able to attract players despite a crappier roster.

No doubt Nash chose LA over NYK, might say something about Amare too. Kobe + Bynum + Gasol is both more functional and beter than Amare + Carmelo + ___.

 

[Cheddie]

Hey you can call the owner a joke and I would agree with you. But it's no surprise that players want to play in NY if it's possible. Shaq admitted a little while ago and other players have voiced that they love playing at MSG.

You more or less made traitor71's point. I was a big Knicks fan during the Reed/Frazier years, but that's long gone with Dolan, and Thomas' disastrous tenure. With MSG and the New York media, the Knicks should be one of the NBA's premier franchises but Dolan will always meddle with the roster keeping them from reaching their potential.

 

[UConn990411]

JaYnYcE is a Skip Bayless fan. You guys are wasting your time your time arguing with him.

 

[Waquoit]

Knicks have won 2 championships and have multiple players on the top 50 players of all time.

Let's face it, they were lucky to win that 2nd one. Havlicek's injury made it possible. I think it would be hilarious if Lin was the next to go. Why would he stay? Melo runs the team and he proved he has no use for Lin. It's always better in any profession to go where people want you to succeed.

 

[JaYnYcE]

I agree, ownership is a joke. I disagree with the fact that he believes the organization is a joke considering our history prior to Dolan's tenure. The best thing he did for this franchise to date was hire Donnie Walsh to clean up Thomas' mess. Now that we will have a full, normal training camp and preseason, I'm excited to see what Woodson does with an Olojuwan educated, Olympic tested Front Court this coming fall.

With Linsanity of course!


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[traitor71]

You aren't seeing my point. This isn't the "pre Dolan" era, if it were then the Knicks would be a more viable option for guys. Something has to happen to change things for the Knicks so that they can be taken seriously as a contender again. A good example would be college football where a team like Alabama or Miami or USC just needs the right guy in charge of things. The Knicks need that right guy to get things going.

 

[Waquoit]

The Knicks need that right guy to get things going.

They had the right guy. Dolan forced him out. The next right guy will never arrive as long as he is involved.

 

[JaYnYcE]

Wait, who was the right guy? I hope you're talking about Donnie Walsh.


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[UConn990411]

I agree, ownership is a joke. I disagree with the fact that he believes the organization is a joke considering our history prior to Dolan's tenure. The best thing he did for this franchise to date was hire Donnie Walsh to clean up Thomas' mess. Now that we will have a full, normal training camp and preseason, I'm excited to see what Woodson does with an Olojuwan educated, Olympic tested Front Court this coming fall.k

No one who plays in the NBA cares about what the Knicks did in the 1970s. Heck, no one cares about what the Knicks did during the Patrick Ewing era, and that was the 90s.

The Celtics are arguably the most successful franchise in NBA history, yet no one wanted to play for Boston in the early 2000s. Why? Because the team was horrible and the organization was perceived as a joke. That's exactly what happened to the Knicks under Isiah Thomas, and the organization is still recovering from that.

As you said, Walsh did a terrific job cleaning up Thomas' mess. But the Knicks are still very far from championship contention (heck, they're not even contenders to win their own division), which is why Nash is choosing to spend his last few good years in LA instead on New York.

 

[ibleedhuskyblue]

im glad we didnt get nash. i would rather have Lin right now.
he's not as good, but he will improve given time (remember he's only played in about 30 NBA games), and he will develop chemistry with melo and stat (provided melo will allow such a thing).
im happier with 23 y/o Lin, than 38 y/o nash.

 

[JaYnYcE]

I wanted Nash, but it's good to know that we kept Shumpert after Nash chose LA.


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[Cheddie]

They had the right guy. Dolan forced him out. The next right guy will never arrive as long as he is involved.

Watched Phil Jackson on Bryant Gumble's HBO show. He was asked if would be interested in coaching the Knicks. After a bit of circling around the question and some hesitation, he said no because they are a "clumsy" team. Asked what that meant, he said the pieces don't fit together. He said Stoudemire is a very good player, but he has to have the right system to thrive (implying it wasn't NY). And he said the ball can't stop when it reaches Anthony.

 

[JaYnYcE]

I have a lot of respect for Phil Jackson. But he clearly has a problem with Dolan not reaching out to him. It went as far as his girlfriend making it public that he's healthy and wants to coach again after rumors started floating of Dolan wanting to stay away from older coaches with health issues (Larry Brown) For someone who has said he would love to one day coach in NY where he learned from his mentor in Red Holtzman, he certainly went out of his way to publicly criticize the Knicks.


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[FfldCntyFan]

Let's face it, they were lucky to win that 2nd one. Havlicek's injury made it possible. I think it would be hilarious if Lin was the next to go. Why would he stay? Melo runs the team and he proved he has no use for Lin. It's always better in any profession to go where people want you to succeed.

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. With your logic however the Knicks would have won at least the season before if Reed had been healthy and, during that era (Reed, DeBusschere, Bradley, Frazier, Monroe vs Cowens, Silas, Havlicek, Westphall, White) with both teams healthy the Knicks seemed to always find a way to win in the playoffs (until Reed was gone, at far too early an age to injuries).

The reality is that injuries are a part of sports. If you want to claim that one team was limited due to injuries you have to apply this to all teams involved. Unfortunately for Knick fans, in the early to mid 1970's they lost more because of injury than any opponent of theirs.

 

[Waquoit]

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. With your logic however the Knicks would have won at least the season before if Reed had been healthy and, during that era (Reed, DeBusschere, Bradley, Frazier, Monroe vs Cowens, Silas, Havlicek, Westphall, White) with both teams healthy the Knicks seemed to always find a way to win in the playoffs (until Reed was gone, at far too early an age to injuries).

The reality is that injuries are a part of sports. If you want to claim that one team was limited due to injuries you have to apply this to all teams involved. Unfortunately for Knick fans, in the early to mid 1970's they lost more because of injury than any opponent of theirs.

Reed was chronically hurt. Havlicek in those playoffs was a bad break for the C's, they were the better team that entire year. But why am I trying to reason with a Knick fan? They think that DeBusschere deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Hondo.