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zls44 said:
Yeah, except I said it because it isnt and because only Bruins fans do.
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Like I said you would be one of the few people who feel that way, it simply isn’t reality. They are always top 2 and it is close
 
FriarJ said:
Of course it is. So he set a mark that will never be touched and you say it is an horrendous stat. The fact is he was that dominate on both ends, you do realize there is more to hockey than points right?
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Wayne Gretzky scored more points than anyone in the history of the sport without ever scoring a single goal.

Its an un-toppable stat. In all of sports!
 
superjohn said:
I would take a drunk Brian Leetch over Bobby Orr.
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I agree with this, but only as a total Rangers homer.

Also, Leetch played against much better players. By a factor of a thousand. The Russian forwards, good lord.
 
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zls44 said:
I agree with this, but only as a total Rangers homer.

Also, Leetch played against much better players. By a factor of a thousand. The Russian forwards, good lord.
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Let’s just say that if you never saw Orr play you should really just say it and move on. Brian Leetch? Good lord.

Here are real fans discussing him. how good was Orr ?
 
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zls44 said:
I agree with this, but only as a total Rangers homer.

Also, Leetch played against much better players. By a factor of a thousand. The Russian forwards, good lord.
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Friar probably thinks George Mikan and Dolph Schayes were the best big men to ever play basketball.
 
superjohn said:
Friar probably thinks George Mikan and Dolph Schayes were the best big men to ever play basketball.
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Nope that goes to Thabeet of course. You are so amazingly ignorant on this topic but you keep yapping. Amazing.
 
FriarJ said:
LOL, my problem with you is that you are a jerk about it. To say it’s not close between these two and to say only Bruins fans think so just shows you are on your own here.
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You're mean to me, wahhhhhhh. Always the victim.
 
zls44 said:
I agree with this, but only as a total Rangers homer.

Also, Leetch played against much better players. By a factor of a thousand. The Russian forwards, good lord.
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Lol you know I like you @zls44 but you're off base on this one.

I think most even headed people, including myself, acknowledge Gretzky as the best.

However, Orr is without a shred of doubt a top 4 hockey player of all time and there's no amount of #hottaking you can do to change that.
 
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Dooley said:
Dooley Preface: there isn't a sports team who I hate more than the Boston Bruins. It's not close whatsoever. That is completely 1000% the fault of being an old Whalers fan back in the day. The Whale could never beat them and, worse yet, every home game had thousands of obnoxious Bruins fans in the old Civic Center. The worst sporting event I've ever attended to this day was Game 4 of the 1990 playoffs first round. I'm still irrationally mad about that loss.

But...this series is far from over. Game 5 went exactly how I thought it would - Bruins carrying the shot advantage, man advantages, and most of the play...and Binnington would have to "steal" the game. He did. He played great. Now it's Rask's turn to steal game 6 because I'd expect the game to be the opposite in shots. He's certainly capable of doing so. The Bruins were in this same spot in the first round this year against Toronto and came through with a big game. I know the Blues are much better, tougher, and far more gritty than the Leafs and the challenge is more difficult, but they do have experience winning an elimination game on the road. Also, they will likely use the "no call" from game 5 to isolate themselves in a perfect 'Us vs the World' mode while they're on the road.

As much as I hate to admit it. the Bruins are a good team and are very resilient. They're just being battle tested by the first team in this postseason that can actually stand up to them physically and win most 1:1 battles. If they can withstand the first period and get an early lead, they can settle in to playing a nice, gritty road game much like the gritty road game the Blues just played in game 5.

I think the Blues are a better road team than home team and I can see them being pressured into trying to entertain the home crowd instead of doing what they do best. Home teams often pass up good scoring chances to try to create a pretty scoring chance but not succeeding. The Bruins did it a few times in Game 5. The Blues did it a few times in Game 3. If that happens and the Bruins can get back to getting pucks on net and play a gritty road game, they might be able to take advantage of a tight Blues group.

All that said, I will be rooting HARD for St Louis to close this out on Sunday. I apologize to you Bruins fans who are completely redeemed by being good UConn fans. :)
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I hate the Bruins so much I didn’t read past your first sentence. When the Whalers were home I hated the Canadians at the same level. In the post-Whaler era the Bruins.... lets go blues.
 
navery12 said:
This thread is so funny. There are really people who believe Bobby Orr was better than Gretzky. I love the BY, so happy I found this place
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I’m a Bruins fan and put Gretzky at the top. My top 4 all time players would be Gretzky, Lemieux, Howe and Orr. Orr is clearly the greatest defenseman of all time. It isn’t close.

The only fair way to judge any player of any era is relative to their peers. Those 4 stand out by that measure.
 
Meanwhile, back to the Cup Final. Barbashev was suspended for his hit, which didn’t even draw a minor penalty.

As I tried to say, these non-calls on hits the league doesn’t want have ratcheted up the physical play to the advantage of the Blues. The current NHL wants guys to be wary of making those hits, to the point that they don’t even deliver as many legal ones. I think the refs will call a tighter game tomorrow, which gives the Bruins a good chance to win and force a game 7.

St. Louis averaged 19 hits per game in the regular season. Thursday night they had 43 and the game prior, 44. Both wins. In game 2, the other St. Louis W, it was 50. In the two Boston wins it was 33 and 35. Still above normal, but not not by 100%.
 
Gretzky and babe Ruth are so far ahead of their peers that it’s ridiculous. Easily the 2 best athletes of all time.

There shouldn’t even be a conversation for either one really.


HuskyHawk said:
I’m a Bruins fan and put Gretzky at the top. My top 4 all time players would be Gretzky, Lemieux, Howe and Orr. Orr is clearly the greatest defenseman of all time. It isn’t close.

The only fair way to judge any player of any era is relative to their peers. Those 4 stand out by that measure.
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Sounds like Bruins fans would rather watch a free skate than Stanley Cup hockey. That's a far cry from when Cam Neely used to cross check guys in throat.
 
Waquoit said:
Sounds like Bruins fans would rather watch a free skate than Stanley Cup hockey. That's a far cry from when Cam Neely used to cross check guys in throat.
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It has nothing to do with the Neely era Bruins, as every team played that way then.

I’m merely suggesting that teams build a roster based on the rules. Don’t change them in the playoffs. Imagine a pass happy NFL team going into the playoffs and suddenly the 1970s rules apply, with hits on QBs, high hits on WR, no real defensive holding calls etc. Or perhaps a modern NBA team gets to the playoff and finds there is no 3 point shot and no euro-step travel allowed. Whoever has the best traditional inside game is winning that series.

This NHL playoffs is being called as if it’s the Cam Neely era. And St. Louis is loaded with big Cam Neely type guys. Columbus was a bruising low skill team and yet took out a 128 point Tampa team. Same thing happened there.
 
Waquoit said:
Sounds like Bruins fans would rather watch a free skate than Stanley Cup hockey. That's a far cry from when Cam Neely used to cross check guys in throat.
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Wait, doesn't the dirtiest player in hockey Brad Marchand play for the Bruins?
 
superjohn said:
Wait, doesn't the dirtiest player in hockey Brad Marchand play for the Bruins?
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He’s not close to the dirtiest. Just among the most irritating. He’s also one of the best players in Hockey.
 
HuskyHawk said:
He’s not close to the dirtiest. Just among the most irritating. He’s also one of the best players in Hockey.
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Nothing dirtier then some guy licking you non-consensually, imo.
 
HuskyHawk said:
This NHL playoffs is being called as if it’s the Cam Neely era. And St. Louis is loaded with big Cam Neely type guys. Columbus was a bruising low skill team and yet took out a 128 point Tampa team. Same thing happened there.
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This doesn't exactly refute my statement about Bruin fans wanting to watch a free skate, btw.
 
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Waquoit said:
This doesn't exactly refute my statement about Bruin fans wanting to watch a free skate, btw.
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There’s a big difference between the way Hockey was played all year and a free skate. Honestly, I expect an uptick in hits in the post season. But from 20 to 45-50? That tells me the rules aren’t being enforced.

Nothing was more miserable than the old neutral zone trap slogs. I like the speed and skill getting a chance to shine. There’s always room for a good forecheck and winning puck battles on the boards.
 
superjohn said:
It would appear that way but my Canadian buddy who knows everything about hockey has always stood by Super Mario being better than Gretzky. Gretzky has a million MVP's and more Stanley Cups but Mario was freaking awesome, most points per game and highest goals per game career average.
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Lemieux was more talented than Gretzky. Mario just had terrible luck with injuries and could never sustain health long enough. There’s no denying Gretzky’s numbers, but on pure talent, Mario was the best ever.
 
Pgh2Storrs said:
There’s no denying Gretzky’s numbers, but on pure talent, Mario was the best ever.
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Nah. I'll give you he was great and physically bigger than Gretzky.
 
the Q said:
Gretzky and babe Ruth are so far ahead of their peers that it’s ridiculous. Easily the 2 best athletes of all time.

There shouldn’t even be a conversation for either one really.
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Weirdest take I've seen in quite some time.
Ruth was a great Baseball Player and Gretzky was a great hockey player, but you probably couldn't have picked two better examples of guys who didn't come across as particularly athletic.
Can you imagine either being great as basketball? Or football?
 
Crank said:
Weirdest take I've seen in quite some time.
Ruth was a great Baseball Player and Gretzky was a great hockey player, but you probably couldn't have picked two better examples of guys who didn't come across as particularly athletic.
Can you imagine either being great as basketball? Or football?
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I meant when people do those cross over lists around spirts, like the sportscentury list espn did like 20 years ago.

Definitely not the best run/jump athletes.
 
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