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TasteofUConn said:
Respectfully disagree.
Rhonda needs to fire her coach. Then, for the rematch, she needs to take the fight to the ground. RRR got intoxicated with the KO. It's much more sexy to punch an opponent into oblivion in the first 2 minutes than to get an armbar in the 3rd round.
This will be a wake up call for her. She'll start training to go back to her basis and strengths. For the rematch, she needs to forego the standup and go right for the grappling and take downs. Make Holm work - and work hard - to keep it on the feet.
Rousy's ascension was a case of too much too fast. Several fast finishes. Several foolish opponents. A couple of nice KOs. She came in overconfident in her stand up, and she paid for it.
She'll be back. Hopefully, less prideful, more respectful, and more humble. But she'll be back in any case. Her drive and the money are just not dismissible. I don't want to see an immediate rematch. Let them each fight somebody else first.
If they each get a win and then they rematch, I'd put it at 60/40 Holm/Rousey, but I sure wouldn't bet on it.
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Rousey took her down once and tried to work for an armbar. Holm shook her off and punched her 3 times in the face on the way up. Rousey rocked Holm once with a leaping hook, Holm got a body lock and took Rousey down with a pseudo suplex. Translation... I don't think Rousey is physically strong enough to force that type of fight. Plus Holm had far far superior footwork if you ever wanted to see what a superior boxer who invests serious time working on mma skills would look like that was sort of a sneak peak. Holm looked like a pure boxer counter striker and her defense ducking under Rousey's punches and moving her feet to set up Rousey were real pretty. Holm has become a well rounded MMA fighter but it was her pure boxing skill that made Rousey look so bad. Can't see how a rematch goes any different. I have doubts Rousey beats Cyborg off that performance.
 
Danzz said:
Uh, no she isn't beating men her size. Why is it people feel a need to make these idiotic statements. Rousey competes in her gender and weight class and until last night she was the best women's MMC fighter and maybe still is. Apparently that isn't enough for some people.
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http://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...nda-rousey-wouldnt-last-long-in-womens-boxing This article contains a lot of the reasons there is so much hate for Rousey. She is absolutely blinded by the nonsensical hype and she is extremely disrespectful. Hopefully after being brutally exposed she is now humbled and will disappear for a while. Being the best female MMA fighter in her class clearly wasn't enough for her.
 
noeynox said:
Rousey took her down once and tried to work for an armbar. Holm shook her off and punched her 3 times in the face on the way up. Rousey rocked Holm once with a leaping hook, Holm got a body lock and took Rousey down with a pseudo suplex. Translation... I don't think Rousey is physically strong enough to force that type of fight. Plus Holm had far far superior footwork if you ever wanted to see what a superior boxer who invests serious time working on mma skills would look like that was sort of a sneak peak. Holm looked like a pure boxer counter striker and her defense ducking under Rousey's punches and moving her feet to set up Rousey were real pretty. Holm has become a well rounded MMA fighter but it was her pure boxing skill that made Rousey look so bad. Can't see how a rematch goes any different. I have doubts Rousey beats Cyborg off that performance.
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Holly has that Cotto dance I saw a lot of his movement in her last night. MMA is like a " rock paper scissor " game, wrestler= rock, striker= scissor, grappler = paper.

Wrestlers man handle boxers with their brute strength by holding them down and pounding them. This plays to grapplers strength which they need that close proximity body to body in order to grab a arm or leg to break or whatever. As you know strikers want to keep their distance and is why grapplers get exposed against boxers.

Last night reminded me of the first fight between Cain and Dos Santos, Cain (wrestler) came in to the fight having knocked out like pretty much everyone he fought. Decides to strike with Dos Santos (striker) BOOM Cain gets Knocked Out. The rematch Cain decides to wrestle his bread and butter and destroys Dos Santos and the rematch after that it was the same thing.

Cain last fight was against Werdum (grappler) so Cain decides to strike and Werdum was destroying him on the feet so Cain does what wrestlers are not suppose to do with grapplers.
He takes him down and while doing that exposes his neck and gets put in guillotine and BAM fight is over.

If Rousey doesnt get an immediate rematch chances are Holly may lose the belt if she fights say Misha Tate (wrestler) or Cat Zingano ( wrestler, Muy Thai Boxer)
 
TasteofUConn said:
Respectfully disagree.
Rhonda needs to fire her coach. Then, for the rematch, she needs to take the fight to the ground. RRR got intoxicated with the KO. It's much more sexy to punch an opponent into oblivion in the first 2 minutes than to get an armbar in the 3rd round.
This will be a wake up call for her. She'll start training to go back to her basis and strengths. For the rematch, she needs to forego the standup and go right for the grappling and take downs. Make Holm work - and work hard - to keep it on the feet.
Rousy's ascension was a case of too much too fast. Several fast finishes. Several foolish opponents. A couple of nice KOs. She came in overconfident in her stand up, and she paid for it.
She'll be back. Hopefully, less prideful, more respectful, and more humble. But she'll be back in any case. Her drive and the money are just not dismissible. I don't want to see an immediate rematch. Let them each fight somebody else first.
If they each get a win and then they rematch, I'd put it at 60/40 Holm/Rousey, but I sure wouldn't bet on it.
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Agree. Rowdy still may lose, but she fought incredibly foolishly. Charging face first. She can definitely do better with an actual game plan. Maybe even win. If there was a plan last night she didn't follow it.
 
dante said:
Holly has that Cotto dance I saw a lot of his movement in her last night. MMA is like a " rock paper scissor " game, wrestler= rock, striker= scissor, grappler = paper.
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I like this analogy.
 
superjohn said:
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...nda-rousey-wouldnt-last-long-in-womens-boxing This article contains a lot of the reasons there is so much hate for Rousey. She is absolutely blinded by the nonsensical hype and she is extremely disrespectful. Hopefully after being brutally exposed she is now humbled and will disappear for a while. Being the best female MMA fighter in her class clearly wasn't enough for her.
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Ronda is extremely emotional and lets her emotions get the best of her. When Ronda was coaching The Ultimate Fighter you can see was not a bad person, she would bring the girls she was coaching food, when one of the girls she was coaching lost she would sit there and hold her and cry with her. Then you would see Meisha Tate play a prank on Ronda and Ronda would go SHE-HULK.. lol thats just how she is.

Ronda stated that used Mayweather as a platform to promote herself and Women MMA, and because of her people have taken notice. If you think Ronda is bad I would love to hear your input on Conor McGregor ugh
 
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It looked like the pressure got to Rhonda. Movie deals, Modelling, Fighting, whatever else she does. She has created an empire. She probably felt the weight of it all as she started to lose. She fought like a high school kid. If she wants to win she needs to step back. Forget all the extra cirricullar stuff and train....sorta like Rocky III
 
NDakotaHusky said:
It looked like the pressure got to Rhonda. Movie deals, Modelling, Fighting, whatever else she does. She has created an empire. She probably felt the weight of it all as she started to lose. She fought like a high school kid. If she wants to win she needs to step back. Forget all the extra cirricullar stuff and train....sorta like Rocky III
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Disagree. She got beat by someone who was simply better and didnt allow her to do what she normally does. When RR got HH down and HH defended the armbar and managed to get up i thought she might be in trouble. Thats the question i always had about RR. What happens when someone takes away what she does best? The true greats find other ways to win while the good simply dont have the tools to overcome. If RR is a one trick pony she will lose in a rematch. Her striking has always been a ? so she needs to work on it but more importantly she needs to impose her will on HH and make her fight RR fight. If she doesnt the result will be the same.
 
CAHUSKY said:
Huh? The rematch will get 3 times the ppv sales tonight did. It did absolutely the opposite. Which is why I'm firmly convinced she threw the fight tonight so she could make millions on the rematch.
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That might be the case if anyone actually cared. She is a creation of her own and the media's hype machine. The unbeaten mystique is gone now. It ain't ever coming back, and neither is the fan who was only interested in the bill of goods being sold by the machine.
 
Styles make fights but give credit to Holm who looked stronger than in the past and moved well to keep it a stand-up fight. Rousey didn't look her best and the tactics were poor. Unlike many others I don't think a Holm rematch victory is even close to a foregone conclusion. But I'm actually hoping Rousey takes a break from the fight game and everyone in it.
 
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Tyson v Douglas part 2.

Champion who never faced adversity in the ring, at the height of their media hype fighting half a world away.
 
Ronda Rousey (before Holm fight)= Mike Tyson (before Buster Douglas). "Baddest Women on the Planet"/"Baddest Man on the Planet". Both bought into the hype.

Remember this folks: There's always a badder man or women out there than you (and probably both......) and if you're lucky you'll never run into him or her. This statement applies to everyone. Well, except for William Shea.
 
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For the record, I don't like Rousey very much. Not humble enough for me and quite disrespectful often times. Despite what happened last night, everyone should know or realize she is a straight up badass. Would demolish 99% of the worlds population in a street fight scenario. I doubt many people on this board would talk trash to her face and be able to back it up. Freedom of speech is of coarse one of our God given rights as Americans but disrespecting a person on an internet forum is something that bugs me for some reason. I believe she will easily win the rematch which will be a huge PPV draw.
 
TheChamps990411 said:
Disagree. She got beat by someone who was simply better and didnt allow her to do what she normally does. When RR got HH down and HH defended the armbar and managed to get up i thought she might be in trouble. Thats the question i always had about RR. What happens when someone takes away what she does best? The true greats find other ways to win while the good simply dont have the tools to overcome. If RR is a one trick pony she will lose in a rematch. Her striking has always been a ? so she needs to work on it but more importantly she needs to impose her will on HH and make her fight RR fight. If she doesnt the result will be the same.
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I think we both could be correct. She was out classed for sure, but she also fought really foolishly. I definitely feel she felt the pressure of the reputation she has created.
 
What is the deal with that sport, why do people prefer watching women fight to men?
 
superjohn said:
What is the deal with that sport, why do people prefer watching women fight to men?
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Not sure, but i watched the fight at a packed Applebees. Everyone was on the edge of their seat.
 
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Yeah put me in the camp of this being a pretty obvious mismatch. The difference in physical athleticism was really jarring. Holm was *a lot* faster and *a lot* stronger. Even when Ronda caught her, it didn't end up well as she'd eat shots on the way in, get muscled up to her feet and then eat more shots on the break. And Ronda hit her with some bombs (for her) and Holm just ate them like they were nothing. Sure - Holly's game plan was great and Ronda's was... literally amateurish... but that's not the reason Rousey lost. She's just not physically anywhere near Holm's league.

They'll do the rematch to make some money but there was absolutely nothing I saw in the first fight that would make me think Rousey could do anything to her. She's not strong enough to get her to the mat, and certainly not strong enough to keep her there. She can't get past the reach of Holm and she just doesn't have the chin to take what's gonna need to get taken to maneuver her way inside. That's kind of the problem with Judo - it doesn't work at a distance and there isn't much shooting like there is in wrestling. So her skills don't match up, they're not as good and she completely lacks the physical ability to hang with Holm.

The other big piece people are forgetting as well - Women's MMA is a completely underdeveloped sport. I'd have a hard time making a case that of the top 20 women in female fight sports - that more than 3 or 4 of the those are actually *in* MMA. I mean Men's MMA evolved the same way. We know Tank Abbott couldn't do anything in 2015 - and we saw guys like Brock Lesnar, Rashaad Evans and GSP just physically overwhelm guys like Randy Couture, Chuck Lidell and Matt Hughes. Especially in Lesnar's case - skill had nothing to do with it. Physically - he was just a completely superior human to Randy in every way. The sport's evolving. And as we see more of the elite athletes come into play in women's MMA, we'll see the Rousey's and Meisha Tate's of the world fade fast. Rousey wasn't ever even the best Judoka in the world for any significant stretch of time. I think her time at the top of women's MMA is pretty much over.
 
Does anyone think Rousey's success is phony? Made from carefully selected opponents who give Rhonda a chance to win...
 
NDakotaHusky said:
Does anyone think Rousey's success is phony? Made from carefully selected opponents who give Rhonda a chance to win...
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No. She was legitimately beating the top women in her weight class like Cat Zingano who was probably physically superior but whose aggressiveness got her caught in the strangest armband you could ever see, in like 14 seconds.
Rousey was good, this girl Holm was like 35-2-2, as professional boxer and also had professional kickboxing experience. Rousey was no match for this girl in a striking contest.
 
noeynox said:
No. She was legitimately beating the top women in her weight class like Cat Zingano who was probably physically superior but whose aggressiveness got her caught in the strangest armband you could ever see, in like 14 seconds.
Rousey was good, this girl Holm was like 35-2-2, as professional boxer and also had professional kickboxing experience. Rousey was no match for this girl in a striking contest.
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Agreed on everything but as an aside how many women are in MMA and professional boxing? I would think they are about as niche as it gets.
 
Watching the highlights of the fight I couldn't help thinking of something I read years ago by Jim Brown (former football player, likely as good of an athlete as anyone who ever weighed ion at 230 lbs). He became friendly with Muhammed Ali in the mid 1960's (I believe Jackie Robinson was the one who asked high profile black athletes to get involved with the civil rights movement) and when Brown became bored with football (he did retire at the height of his career) he called Ali and said he was thinking of becoming a boxer. Ali asked him to meet the next morning @ 5 am and run with him during Ali's road work. Without talking they ran about 1/2 mile, Ali asked Brown if he was serious about boxing and said 'hold up your hands'. Ali then threw seven punches, in combination, all landing less than an inch form Brown's face. He again asked if Brown was serious about becoming a boxer. Brown knew then that he would need to do something else.

Listen to Morgan Freeman's narrative at the opening of Million Dollar Bay and you will get an idea of what it takes to become a boxer. This wasn't Douglas beating Tyson as that was basically a once ridiculously skilled boxer (Tyson) being turned into a puncher by management (King) that neither knew nor cared about skill or training being beaten by someone who was able to matchup with him that one time. Unless they change the rules to make this purely grappling, Rousey isn't capable of hanging with Holm in any ring. Holm is far too skilled (and Rousey far too amateur) as a boxer and Holm may also be far too skilled as a kick boxer. Rousey can't get close enough to do anything without taking too much punishment in the process.
 
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TasteofUConn said:
Tyson was the baddest man on the planet. There was no hype required - he was that ferocious.
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Maybe you're right. I never could beat him in "Mike Tyson's Punch Out" on Nintendo. I could crush King Hippo, that Flamenco guy and the rest of the prelim stiffs but Tyson would make one fake and knock me out every time. Was it even possible to beat Tyson??
 
UCweCONN said:
Maybe you're right. I never could beat him in "Mike Tyson's Punch Out" on Nintendo. I could crush King Hippo, that Flamenco guy and the rest of the prelim stiffs but Tyson would make one fake and knock me out every time. Was it even possible to beat Tyson??
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He had a tell. When he winks, you dodge then counterpunch. Took a while, but I took down the champ.

King Hippo. LOL.
 
NDakotaHusky said:
Does anyone think Rousey's success is phony? Made from carefully selected opponents who give Rhonda a chance to win...
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I don't think her success was phony. She beat who was in front of her. I'm just not sure what was in front of her was ever very good to begin with. With better athletes flooding the sport literally every day, I just think she had an early expiration date as a bonafide top star.

Rousey can't get close enough to do anything without taking too much punishment in the process.
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See here's my thing with this, though - Is even when she got close - she couldn't do anything. Couldn't control Holly, couldn't take her down, couldn't keep her down. She actually ate even more punches coming in, while in and breaking from the clinch. Again - it just comes down to Holly being a superior athlete in almost every single way.
 
UCweCONN said:
Maybe you're right. I never could beat him in "Mike Tyson's Punch Out" on Nintendo. I could crush King Hippo, that Flamenco guy and the rest of the prelim stiffs but Tyson would make one fake and knock me out every time. Was it even possible to beat Tyson??
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I owned his ass in Mike Tyson punchout. Those games were all timing patterns. With Iron Mike you had to avoid the uppercuts for the first 90 seconds.

@superjohn , I don't think women fighting is as niche as when Christy Martin and Leila Ali were the marquee names. The women in those games today are more in numbers and have honed their games considerably. One of the women Rousey beat Sarah McMann, was an olympic medalist in wrestling I believe.
 
One of the most impressive things looking back is how shockingly great Holly was technically. She absolutely owned Ronda's clinch.

One thing I noticed a lot of Ronda's opponents did in the past was playing right into their hands by wrapping their arms around her in the headlock clinch and not keeping their hips lowered. Ronda's gets her hips under everyone and as soon as their opponent wraps their arms around her waist she can roll either way and pop that arm bar. The one time when Holly did that, she had her back taken, Ronda was literally one step away from nabbing the bar - all she had to do was pass her foot through her guard. Holly immediately took her hands out from around her waste so that even when Ronda tried to pass, there was no arm there to roll off of and no submission to be had. Holly simply stood up and began teeing off on her again. It's literally like she solved the whole riddle to Ronda's clinch game.

One thing people forget - is that boxers live in the clinch and Holly's maybe the best clinch female fighter ever. She knew what she was doing. Kind of watched this fight 2-3 times and figured Holly survived her in the clinch. She didn't. She beat her bad. In fact, that's where I feel like she actually won the fight.
 
On the free prelims on FS1 there was a kick as good as Holm's.

Straight left kick just under rib cage. Dude that got hit instantly screamed, grabbed his ribs and collapsed on the ground.

Much like boxing, almost impossible to drop someone with a rib shot.
 
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