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I wonder if the internet idiots still think Ronda would beat Floyd in a fight
I think we both could be correct. She was out classed for sure, but she also fought really foolishly. I definitely feel she felt the pressure of the reputation she has created.Disagree. She got beat by someone who was simply better and didnt allow her to do what she normally does. When RR got HH down and HH defended the armbar and managed to get up i thought she might be in trouble. Thats the question i always had about RR. What happens when someone takes away what she does best? The true greats find other ways to win while the good simply dont have the tools to overcome. If RR is a one trick pony she will lose in a rematch. Her striking has always been a ? so she needs to work on it but more importantly she needs to impose her will on HH and make her fight RR fight. If she doesnt the result will be the same.
Not sure, but i watched the fight at a packed Applebees. Everyone was on the edge of their seat.What is the deal with that sport, why do people prefer watching women fight to men?
Tyson was the baddest man on the planet. There was no hype required - he was that ferocious.Ronda Rousey (before Holm fight)= Mike Tyson (before Buster Douglas). "Baddest Women on the Planet"/"Baddest Man on the Planet". Both bought into the hype.
No. She was legitimately beating the top women in her weight class like Cat Zingano who was probably physically superior but whose aggressiveness got her caught in the strangest armband you could ever see, in like 14 seconds.Does anyone think Rousey's success is phony? Made from carefully selected opponents who give Rhonda a chance to win...
Agreed on everything but as an aside how many women are in MMA and professional boxing? I would think they are about as niche as it gets.No. She was legitimately beating the top women in her weight class like Cat Zingano who was probably physically superior but whose aggressiveness got her caught in the strangest armband you could ever see, in like 14 seconds.
Rousey was good, this girl Holm was like 35-2-2, as professional boxer and also had professional kickboxing experience. Rousey was no match for this girl in a striking contest.
Maybe you're right. I never could beat him in "Mike Tyson's Punch Out" on Nintendo. I could crush King Hippo, that Flamenco guy and the rest of the prelim stiffs but Tyson would make one fake and knock me out every time. Was it even possible to beat Tyson??Tyson was the baddest man on the planet. There was no hype required - he was that ferocious.
UCweCONN said:Maybe you're right. I never could beat him in "Mike Tyson's Punch Out" on Nintendo. I could crush King Hippo, that Flamenco guy and the rest of the prelim stiffs but Tyson would make one fake and knock me out every time. Was it even possible to beat Tyson??
Does anyone think Rousey's success is phony? Made from carefully selected opponents who give Rhonda a chance to win...
Rousey can't get close enough to do anything without taking too much punishment in the process.
I owned his ass in Mike Tyson punchout. Those games were all timing patterns. With Iron Mike you had to avoid the uppercuts for the first 90 seconds.Maybe you're right. I never could beat him in "Mike Tyson's Punch Out" on Nintendo. I could crush King Hippo, that Flamenco guy and the rest of the prelim stiffs but Tyson would make one fake and knock me out every time. Was it even possible to beat Tyson??
I don't think her success was phony. She beat who was in front of her. I'm just not sure what was in front of her was ever very good to begin with. With better athletes flooding the sport literally every day, I just think she had an early expiration date as a bonafide top star.
See here's my thing with this, though - Is even when she got close - she couldn't do anything. Couldn't control Holly, couldn't take her down, couldn't keep her down. She actually ate even more punches coming in, while in and breaking from the clinch. Again - it just comes down to Holly being a superior athlete in almost every single way.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you didn't watch this before your post. If you didn't props to you for being such a technical observer of the sport. You went into great detail in your post almost matching Firaz Zahabi in your breakdown. Below is great 13 minute breakdown of how Holm did it.One of the most impressive things looking back is how shockingly great Holly was technically. She absolutely owned Ronda's clinch.
One thing I noticed a lot of Ronda's opponents did in the past was playing right into their hands by wrapping their arms around her in the headlock clinch and not keeping their hips lowered. Ronda's gets her hips under everyone and as soon as their opponent wraps their arms around her waist she can roll either way and pop that arm bar. The one time when Holly did that, she had her back taken, Ronda was literally one step away from nabbing the bar - all she had to do was pass her foot through her guard. Holly immediately took her hands out from around her waste so that even when Ronda tried to pass, there was no arm there to roll off of and no submission to be had. Holly simply stood up and began teeing off on her again. It's literally like she solved the whole riddle to Ronda's clinch game.
One thing people forget - is that boxers live in the clinch and Holly's maybe the best clinch female fighter ever. She knew what she was doing. Kind of watched this fight 2-3 times and figured Holly survived her in the clinch. She didn't. She beat her bad. In fact, that's where I feel like she actually won the fight.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you didn't watch this before your post. If you didn't props to you for being such a technical observer of the sport. You went into great detail in your post almost matching Firaz Zahabi in your breakdown. Below is great 13 minute breakdown of how Holm did it.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/11/...-holly-holm-full-fight-breakdown-firas-zahabi
Rousey is very very good. The hype train had gotten out of control. That Dana White was proclaiming that Rousey would rag doll Mayweather was absurd. You saw Rousey get outclassed by a female professional boxer on the feet. What do you think the best pound for pound male boxer on the planet would do to her? The mainstream media was running with this way too much. I personally had gotten tired of the hyperbole regarding her. Joe Rogan said she could beat half the males in the UFC'S bantamweight division. Her greatness was undeniable, but she was being hyped to mythical lengths with Rogan comparing calling her fights to what it must have been like to call Muhammad Ali s fights. Silliness.As someone who has never watched any MMA at all, this was interesting to watch, because if you just listened to people here, Rousey is a fraud who doesn't have any skills.
Ah but if Shea ran into him, he could always run away...or call for help, so he's good either way.Ronda Rousey (before Holm fight)= Mike Tyson (before Buster Douglas). "Baddest Women on the Planet"/"Baddest Man on the Planet". Both bought into the hype.
Remember this folks: There's always a badder man or women out there than you (and probably both.) and if you're lucky you'll never run into him or her. This statement applies to everyone. Well, except for William Shea.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you didn't watch this before your post. If you didn't props to you for being such a technical observer of the sport. You went into great detail in your post almost matching Firaz Zahabi in your breakdown. Below is great 13 minute breakdown of how Holm did it.